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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Nikachelle » Fri Aug 12, 2011 9:53 am

Heal ranges? You can eyeball if you're close enough to a person and judge the difference between 40 and 45 yards? Or are you talking about something like our aoe heal and making sure people are close to you?
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Sabindeus » Fri Aug 12, 2011 9:56 am

Nikachelle wrote:Heal ranges? You can eyeball if you're close enough to a person and judge the difference between 40 and 45 yards? Or are you talking about something like our aoe heal and making sure people are close to you?


Both. Also my buttons change color when I get in range of someone I have targetted, but I have to see them to run in the right direction. :p
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Nikachelle » Fri Aug 12, 2011 9:58 am

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Nikachelle wrote:Heal ranges? You can eyeball if you're close enough to a person and judge the difference between 40 and 45 yards? Or are you talking about something like our aoe heal and making sure people are close to you?


Both. Also my buttons change color when I get in range of someone I have targetted, but I have to see them to run in the right direction. :p

Oooo that's kinda neat.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Sabindeus » Fri Aug 12, 2011 10:21 am

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Nikachelle wrote:Heal ranges? You can eyeball if you're close enough to a person and judge the difference between 40 and 45 yards? Or are you talking about something like our aoe heal and making sure people are close to you?


Both. Also my buttons change color when I get in range of someone I have targetted, but I have to see them to run in the right direction. :p

Oooo that's kinda neat.


I'm pretty sure that's built-in to the action bars so if you think that's kinda neat maybe you should look at your bars once in a while... <_<
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby cerwillis » Fri Aug 12, 2011 10:25 am

I look at my screen to see positioning for range, healing rain and SLT positioning. I will also stand and watch dps to see if they will move out of stuff. I can then let them sweat a bit before I heal them if I know it's entirely avoidable. I don't go so far as to have nameplates up or mouseover macros, but I certainly couldn't heal with nothing but a 5x2 set of unitframes.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Nikachelle » Fri Aug 12, 2011 10:32 am

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Sabindeus wrote:Both. Also my buttons change color when I get in range of someone I have targetted, but I have to see them to run in the right direction. :p

Oooo that's kinda neat.


I'm pretty sure that's built-in to the action bars so if you think that's kinda neat maybe you should look at your bars once in a while... <_<

It might be, but it might've also been turned off somewhere. I find my bars do really bizarre things a lot of times (and I use the standard Blizzard bars). For example, when I'm tanking, often the judgment key will be lit up as if I'd pressed it and it was about to cast - but more often than not it's NOT been pressed and it still sits there, highlighted. (I'm going to laugh when this is some built in mechanic I've never noticed before...)

And I think you guys are pigeonholing me into a healing role here. I'm not saying I DON'T look up from Grid, obviously you can't heal properly if you don't know where people are standing, but there's nothing efficient about trying to find the tank in the middle of the melee pack and trying to select them based on what gear they are wearing.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Zalaria » Fri Aug 12, 2011 10:44 am

Nikachelle wrote:It might be, but it might've also been turned off somewhere. I find my bars do really bizarre things a lot of times (and I use the standard Blizzard bars). For example, when I'm tanking, often the judgment key will be lit up as if I'd pressed it and it was about to cast - but more often than not it's NOT been pressed and it still sits there, highlighted. (I'm going to laugh when this is some built in mechanic I've never noticed before...)


Continuing the off-topic chat, I think the standard bars change the color of the binding when you're in and out of range. Most bar mods change the color of the whole button so it's more obvious (they also do things like blue-out the button if you don't have enough mana).

And I think the highlighting thing is a bug. I've noticed it too.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Sabindeus » Fri Aug 12, 2011 10:45 am

cerwillis wrote:I look at my screen to see positioning for range, healing rain and SLT positioning. I will also stand and watch dps to see if they will move out of stuff. I can then let them sweat a bit before I heal them if I know it's entirely avoidable. I don't go so far as to have nameplates up or mouseover macros, but I certainly couldn't heal with nothing but a 5x2 set of unitframes.


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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Flex » Fri Aug 12, 2011 10:45 am

Hilighting thing happens to me using Bartender and only for Holy Light.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby halabar » Fri Aug 12, 2011 10:46 am

BACK TO GEAR YOU HEALERS!

Trying to figure out which Stalker set I should start farming for my hunters if a gear skinner does indeed show up on the ptr in a few weeks...

(and plotting the take-over of many AHs if you can swap more that BOAs via the Void to different realms..)
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Sabindeus » Fri Aug 12, 2011 10:46 am

Nikachelle wrote:And I think you guys are pigeonholing me into a healing role here. I'm not saying I DON'T look up from Grid, obviously you can't heal properly if you don't know where people are standing, but there's nothing efficient about trying to find the tank in the middle of the melee pack and trying to select them based on what gear they are wearing.


Sure, but I never said I did that. That doesn't reduce the important of having well recognizable gear sets.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby halabar » Fri Aug 12, 2011 10:47 am

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Nikachelle wrote:And I think you guys are pigeonholing me into a healing role here. I'm not saying I DON'T look up from Grid, obviously you can't heal properly if you don't know where people are standing, but there's nothing efficient about trying to find the tank in the middle of the melee pack and trying to select them based on what gear they are wearing.


Sure, but I never said I did that. That doesn't reduce the important of having well recognizable gear sets.


CryptStalker will be very recognizable, even moreso because it won't change as gear is upgraded, I'll keep that look. (maybe demonstalker... need to go see how that looks on a orc and dwarf..)
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Sabindeus » Fri Aug 12, 2011 10:50 am

Now, unrelated to healing, if you zone into a Random 5 man wearing what looks like T3, your teammates lose the ability to size you up instantly and know what content you've been through.

"but they can just inspect me!"

Sure but that is merely one feature of the entire experience that Blizzard has to consider here.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Shoju » Fri Aug 12, 2011 10:56 am

For me, I would probably only keep my weapon the same look if possible. I like seeing new armor, when it isn't ugly.


But seriously though. If you are worried about being able to distinguish who is who based on gear,

How do you distinguish mage from warlock?

or

blood / UH / 2h Frost / Arms / Ret

or

resto from Ele?

There are already a lot of classes that can look almost exactly the same.

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That would be the purpose of "own it to use". And under that type of system, if you zone in to a 5 man wearing full t3? Chances are you don't suck. At least... not on my server, where pugging Naxx at 70 was still a challenge.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby halabar » Fri Aug 12, 2011 10:58 am

Sabindeus wrote:Now, unrelated to healing, if you zone into a Random 5 man wearing what looks like T3, your teammates lose the ability to size you up instantly and know what content you've been through.

"but they can just inspect me!"

Sure but that is merely one feature of the entire experience that Blizzard has to consider here.


True. But I generally don't look at their gear now anyway, because EVERYONE LOOKS THE SAME. 90% of lvl 85 hunters now have 2 of the same 5 weapons equipped. Exciting diversity it ain't.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby RedAces » Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:06 am

I'd like to transmogrify my weapon to Thunderfury hoping it won't be destroyed in the process :D That would be epic!
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Worldie » Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:12 am

IF (always assuming this transmogrifier thing is what we think it is) it was possible to freely change the appearance of items to other stuff... would you REALLY like seeing 70% of the people running around in T2 with a thunderfury?
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby halabar » Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:16 am

Worldie wrote:IF (always assuming this transmogrifier thing is what we think it is) it was possible to freely change the appearance of items to other stuff... would you REALLY like seeing 70% of the people running around in T2 with a thunderfury?


You really think 70% of the people will manage to farm a TF?..

This kind of change could diminish future tier designs, unless they step up their game a bit.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby RedAces » Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:18 am

No - but if you can only trans your items into other items you have - that would be (more?) fair.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby fuzzygeek » Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:42 am

RedAces wrote:No - but if you can only trans your items into other items you have - that would be (more?) fair.


This seems like a reasonable least requirement.

Also: they could make the gear change appearances to just yourself. To everyone else, it looks like whatever it is.

This sidesteps the problem of silhouette identification, and gives people who WANT THEIR FUCKING BULWARK BACK their fucking Bulwarks. :D
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby RedAces » Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:44 am

So making client-side model swapping legal? That would be a neat idea.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Nikachelle » Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:44 am

Worldie wrote:IF (always assuming this transmogrifier thing is what we think it is) it was possible to freely change the appearance of items to other stuff... would you REALLY like seeing 70% of the people running around in T2 with a thunderfury?

Absolutely not. I don't want to see anyone wearing replica gear at all. I don't support recolours either, but I'd accept that a lot more over seeing someone in their fake gear just because they thought it was pretty.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Shoju » Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:56 am

Nikachelle wrote:
Worldie wrote:IF (always assuming this transmogrifier thing is what we think it is) it was possible to freely change the appearance of items to other stuff... would you REALLY like seeing 70% of the people running around in T2 with a thunderfury?

Absolutely not. I don't want to see anyone wearing replica gear at all. I don't support recolours either, but I'd accept that a lot more over seeing someone in their fake gear just because they thought it was pretty.



I would go along with your sentiments Nika if Blizzard was in the habit of making new and interesting models for all the classes each tier. There is sadly at least 2 classes per tier that I look at and say "Seriously, WTFF were they thinking." I can completely understand people who are unhappy with their appearance.

Hell, as a Prot Paladin I was always irritable that warriors and or DK tanks could end up in a suit of armor that LOOKED like it went together. Prots were always wearing a belt and boots and bracers (thought rarely visible) that looked like they didn't belong. No matter how epic the raiding prot paladin is, no matter how many times over they kill H:Rags, A Prot Paladin is going to have to wear a healing belt and boots to make his set look "right".

And yes. Visuals are important to me. I essentially QUIT playing my very first level 70 after my 2nd or 3rd heroic when I got his legs and they looked awful. I'm not alone in thinking that aesthetics are important.

Don't think of it just as a "Vanity Old School" gear thing. Maybe you just really want to wear your T13 gear, but as usual the Pally is some crazy color and design that doesn't mesh with Dk / Warrior. So instead you are wearing your super awesome T13 blue paladin gear with a flaming orange warrior set tank belt, and violent red dk set tank boots. But! Then you win the plate healing Belt and boots. You walk over to the tmog guy and BLAM! Now you too can look super cool and not clashing.

For everything they did to make aesthetics better from the TBC paint fight to now, Paladin tanks (and to an extent ENH Shaman, and Feral Druids) get stuck wearing off set gear non tier piece item slot gear that looks FUGGING AWFUL with their tier gear.

Besides, this is all free range conjecture until we hear what it is all about.


Oh and @worldie.

If 70% of the populace has TFury, I might go punch a blizz employee.

/stomps off grumbling about 3+ wasted years of farming.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby fuzzygeek » Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:00 pm

Hrobertgar wrote:I can only imagine how many people would farm AQ40 for the Leia Slave Girl Outfit (cloth chest, I forget the item name) if Transmogrification would actually go live.


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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Worldie » Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:02 pm

Shoju wrote:If 70% of the populace has TFury, I might go punch a blizz employee.

/stomps off grumbling about 3+ wasted years of farming.

You'd be surprised of how common it is.

In my guild even some casters (who can't use it) have it. And it has been like that in every guild I joined since halfway in WotLK.
I thought TF was rare when I made mine, but I soon found out that everyone and their grandmom has it.
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