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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Worldie » Fri Aug 12, 2011 1:53 am

Well i remember on Aion you could change the appearance to an item to the one of another one, but you needed a pretty costy mat, and the "source" item would be destroyed in the process.

So if you wanted your shield to always look like Bulwark of Azzinoth, you'd need to get a new bulwark everytime you get a new shield.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Sagara » Fri Aug 12, 2011 2:02 am

Oh yeah I remember that mechanic!

Pretty neat in fact!
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Passionario » Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:39 am

Random guess: the Transmogrifyer is a Horadric Cube in NPC form.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Worldie » Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:45 am

Passionario wrote:Random guess: the Transmogrifyer is a Horadric Cube in NPC form.

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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby KysenMurrin » Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:49 am

Hmm. If this is about cross-realm movement of BoA items, perhaps it's a vendor that allows you to exchange heirlooms of the same slot for different types?
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby bldavis » Fri Aug 12, 2011 4:03 am

Worldie wrote:
Passionario wrote:Random guess: the Transmogrifyer is a Horadric Cube in NPC form.

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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby bldavis » Fri Aug 12, 2011 4:03 am

KysenMurrin wrote:Hmm. If this is about cross-realm movement of BoA items, perhaps it's a vendor that allows you to exchange heirlooms of the same slot for different types?

i would love that!
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Worldie » Fri Aug 12, 2011 4:17 am

bldavis wrote:
Worldie wrote:
Passionario wrote:Random guess: the Transmogrifyer is a Horadric Cube in NPC form.

Brb getting Wirt's leg

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why go halfway to the cow level when you can take over Thunder Bluff!

Wirt's leg + Portal = ???
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Sagara » Fri Aug 12, 2011 5:38 am

Worldie wrote:Wirt's leg + Portal = ???


SCIENCE!

Next thing we know, the FOrsaken build an freakin' zombie of sorts that manages the whole Undercity, before needing to add a morality core after it flooded the Undercity with a deadly plague, to make it stop flooding the Undercity with a deadly plague, so get comfortable while it warms up the plague preaders.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Orthien » Fri Aug 12, 2011 6:19 am

The easiest fix for the PvP silhouette issue is just to have PvP gear un-morgrifiable. I would assume you would need to have the original to make a something look like it but I hope it does not destroy it or you could never copy anything that's no longer in the game.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Worldie » Fri Aug 12, 2011 6:24 am

If the item doesnt get destroyed or doesn't require a very hard to get reagent / very high money cost, then the whole "look" of people would be fucked as everyone would be changing their gear.

It just wouldn't make sense to make it a easy-to-use feature.

If you put a high price (either gold, reagent, or the item itself), people will think about it 10 times before changing the look of an item.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Hrobertgar » Fri Aug 12, 2011 7:19 am

What if the 'destruction' required only a current item model rather than an original item model.

Say you liked having a Lvl 60 epic whatever (probably wouldn't destroy an actual legendary) you could transmogrify its model to a lvl 85 version, destroying the lvl 60 original in the process. Then when you get a T13 piece you Transmogrify your Trans-T12 into the T13 thus retaining the model while destroying the previously modified piece. So you would only ever have 1 item of that model type per original that you sourced, but you could adjust which item it was.

Alternatively sawpping item models works if the gold cost (either in gold, or in units of vendor/farmable reagent) is related to iLvL. A scaled cost would even allow lower level players to adjsut their gear models. Currently, reforging is related to item vendor value so that is a potential economic model for them to follow for Transmogrification.

I can only imagine how many people would farm AQ40 for the Leia Slave Girl Outfit (cloth chest, I forget the item name) if Transmogrification would actually go live.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Shoju » Fri Aug 12, 2011 7:32 am

Some thoughts.

Transmorgrification or however you spell it
If transmogging is added to the game, and it allows you to make changes to the appearance of gear, The loical solution for 'costing' an item would be to consume the item that you are going to take the stats 'from'. So, if i wanted to for some reason make my Akirus the Wyrm Breaker look like my Warmaul of Infused Light it would consume My Akirus, and not my Warmaul. At least, that's how I see it working.

Honestly, there are very few time that I would transmog my gear. In TBC, I liked T4 kinda, and T6, but hated T5. In Wotlk I loathed T7, loved T8, wanted to burn T9, and liked T10, in Cata, I hated Paladin T11, but loved my DK T11 and T12. So, out of 8 Tiers, I would only have Tmogg'd 4 sets of gear.

On the other hand, I'm a big weapon guy, and Tmog-ing weapons would be REALLY cool, and something that as a DK who looks at NPC DK's who have names for their weapons, and bonds with their weapons, something I am 100% totally all about.

Void Storage
I have 2 hopes for this storage, but I'm sure at least 1 hope will be crushed.

1.) Personal Vault. How many people have a bank alt with a guild bank? I have 2 on my main server, and 1 each on 2 other servers. Think of Void storages as a personal vault that all of your characters can access on the same server. It would need a large cost (10k sounds good, or 1k per character to access) Allow it to "store" your gold as well, and you are set.

2.) Cross Realm BoA transfer. Allowing Cross realm BoA transfer could also be facilitated through this service.

I would limit the amount of things that could be sent to only BOA heirloom items, non combat pets, and mounts? if needed. Opening it to all BoA items means faction enchants, CTA satchels, etc... would be able to be sent, and I think that is a bad idea.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby halabar » Fri Aug 12, 2011 7:53 am

KysenMurrin wrote:Another issue with the idea of cosmetic changes to gear: Recognisability.

They're comitted to having recognisable silhouettes for races. Another part of that is having classes recognisable by their gear sets. In PvP especially, it's often pretty easy to recognise a character's class from the way they look. Being able to tell the gear level matters, too - there are noticable differences in appearance between players at varying gear levels in both PvP and PvE.

Does Blizzard want people to have the ability to totally hide themselves inside armor that looks nothing like what they're actually wearing?


So it only works on PVE gear?.. simple solution.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Sabindeus » Fri Aug 12, 2011 8:18 am

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