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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby KysenMurrin » Mon Aug 15, 2011 2:37 pm

Mukat wrote:
Chicken wrote:Just keep in mind that it's technically a bannable offense to do so, since replacing models can allow you to do such fun things like skipping every boss in AQ40 except the Prophet Skeram if you're looking to kill C'Thun.

could you elaborate on how this would work? not how you do it.

I would assume it involves replacing closed doors with small models.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby fuzzygeek » Mon Aug 15, 2011 3:14 pm

The exploit involved the female gnome model and running behind walls, IIRC.

The fact that's it's a bannable offense is why I'd love to be able to do something like this totally sanctioned by Blizz. :D
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby PsiVen » Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:22 pm

The C'Thun exploit was world models, not player models. There's a very big difference -- people do world editing to access stuff like the exceedingly strange Emerald Dream areas, and to remove the floor from early AQ to allow you to drop into C'Thun's room directly. I'm not sure if this is still possible, but I know that some of the folks who put up exploration videos have been banned for it.

As far as I know nobody has been banned for changing player models to other races; despite Blizzard's stance against it, I think their main goal was to make it impossible. Replacing textures seems to be permitted, but I don't believe they've ever confirmed as much.

Shoju wrote:Yrma 2.0 is a more realistic suggestion, and one that I'm surprised hasn't been discussed more. It would logically be the more 'realistic' explanation of the NPC based on past behaviors by blizzard. I was never able to raid SWP as progression, could someone who did comment on how well received that NPC was? Did you use it a lot?


It was simply an NPC which exchanged one offset piece for another, so for example (IIRC) if you wanted the tank chest you waited for the holy paladin chest to drop, and converted it. There was another NPC who allowed you to turn in T6 tokens for the previous tier of PvP gear. Both of these concepts are thoroughly embodied in the current token/VP/conquest system, and the closest thing to it on live is the separate NPC for crystallized firestones... Which already exists, and wouldn't make sense next to the reforger.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Mukat » Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:46 pm

I thought that NPC allowed you to exchange the one piece of gear that dropped for the other one. For example, I recall a tank piece suited for warrior tanks only dropping from some boss in Sunwell, but you could exchange that piece with a sunmote to the NPC for one suited to paladin tanks. The paladin item never dropped from any boss, but so long as you had a plate tank, the item that dropped could get used. I never raided Sunwell though, so it's likely I misread the functionality of this approach 3 or 4 years ago.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Dane » Tue Aug 16, 2011 2:46 am

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Sure, but I never said I did that. That doesn't reduce the important of having well recognizable gear sets.


CryptStalker will be very recognizable, even moreso because it won't change as gear is upgraded, I'll keep that look. (maybe demonstalker... need to go see how that looks on a orc and dwarf..)


Ok. So you've got an easily identifiable look you like...but what happens when Random Pug X has decided that he doesn't like ANY of the tier, but instead LOVES head slot 1 from BFD, shoulder slot 4 from Gnomeregan and weapon 3 from The Arcatraz?

Seriously...will you be able to tell what gear level you're playing with when you find yourself grouped with this guy? http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/01/02

I just don't think I've seen a viable proposal yet to allow for the cosmetic changes people seem to want so much. It'd be nice if Blizz could come up with SOMETHING good though.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Chicken » Tue Aug 16, 2011 3:48 am

PsiVen wrote:The C'Thun exploit was world models, not player models. There's a very big difference -- people do world editing to access stuff like the exceedingly strange Emerald Dream areas, and to remove the floor from early AQ to allow you to drop into C'Thun's room directly. I'm not sure if this is still possible, but I know that some of the folks who put up exploration videos have been banned for it.

As far as I know nobody has been banned for changing player models to other races; despite Blizzard's stance against it, I think their main goal was to make it impossible. Replacing textures seems to be permitted, but I don't believe they've ever confirmed as much.
This basically. As far as I'm aware Blizzard has just made any form of model editing a bannable offense, mostly to prevent the headache of having to differ between the harmless and harmful applications of it. However, I also haven't heard of anyone getting banned for purely cosmetic changes, but it's still something you should use at your own risk. They also periodically break known methods of model editing.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Worldie » Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:21 am

I just though this was worth quoting for those who don't or can't read MMO

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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Skye1013 » Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:51 am

Worldie wrote:I just though this was worth quoting for those who don't or can't read MMO

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Which would be even more helpful if I could see the image :D. It appears that site is blocked for me as well.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Worldie » Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:53 am

Reuploaded it:
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby KysenMurrin » Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:56 am

Imageshack is blocked too. :lol:
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby lythac » Tue Aug 16, 2011 5:02 am

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Work?

Worldie's post points to the page, not the image. Can always see the image on the page http://www.thedailyblink.com/2011/08/at ... ent-boink/ if not blocked.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Skye1013 » Tue Aug 16, 2011 5:34 am

Nope, they're all blocked for me:

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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Shoju » Tue Aug 16, 2011 7:26 am

It's Calvin and Hobbes at the Tmog guy. It's funny.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Hrobertgar » Tue Aug 16, 2011 8:13 am

Again, for ppl worried about gear level, you can still get mods similar to gear score mod, they just work a little different nowadays. Even if Transmogrify would allow model swapping, calculating ilvl is still a straightforward task that can be performed on the fly.

Each slot has a certain amount of points it gets which changes based on ilvl (especially now that green/blue/purple mean nothing for cata gear). So even if someone was using a T2 model their gear would still have the points of an ilvl 391 or whatever piece.

I actually have Athene's gear check (now an out of date add-on) running at all times so I can get an idea of what everyone's equipped ilvl is in my group. And sometimes you would be surprised. I used bag gear to get my huntard into a guild run heroic at ilvl 316, and I have seen others in heroics around 318-320 as well. My criteria for annoyance is they're cluefullness about pulling decent dps and standing out of fire. I have seen 350 equipped players pull 8k in a zul while my BM huntard pulled 10k on my first boss at 316. But it at least helps to set an expectation. I know most serious PvP players can identify gear based on sight and some PvE players can as well, but add-ons can always calculate ilvl on the fly if needed.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby lythac » Tue Aug 16, 2011 8:31 am

Hrobertgar wrote:I have seen others in heroics around 318-320


Could it be Heirloom gear that is lowering their equipped ilvl or does the mod count them as 333 (or whatever they are)?
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Worldie » Tue Aug 16, 2011 8:35 am

Heirloom gear has 0 Ilvl. BUT gear that is in inventory counts like if it's equipped.

I've entered heroic on my rogue at less than 310 ilvl since i had tank/cloth boe stuff in inventory that counted toward ilvl.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby lythac » Tue Aug 16, 2011 8:44 am

Yes, I was wondering if this mod counts heirloom gear as ilvl 1 therefore giving players an average ilvl of 320. Or (as it is a mod) can count Heirloom gear as 333 as I think it is on par with 333 gear.

We had an alt in guild yesterday who was wearing some heirlooms, vendored all their quest reward greens from bags and found they couldn't do the RDF anymore :lol:
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Fetzie » Wed Aug 17, 2011 3:45 am

Heirloom items count as item level 1 for that slot if you have not got a higher item level replacement in your bags. Inventoried items count towards the item level check regardless of armor class and stats on the item itself. I got my rogue into random heroics with mail and plate 346s from reputation in various slots.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Worldie » Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:13 am

Are you sure? I could swear items you can't wear are not counting for ilvl...
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Torias » Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:21 am

Even items in your bank count towards your ilvl, I believe. We boosted an alt hunter through some dungeons the other night by handing her a full set of crafted cloth PVP gear to get her up to 346 for Zuls, which she then gave back after we were done without ever having equipped it.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby lythac » Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:46 am

Hunters can wear cloth, so they would count towards average ilvl.

The question is can a leather wearer boost their ilvl by having mail/plate gear in their bags.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Torias » Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:47 am

No, they cannot. Or at least not in any situation I've ever observed. I just leveled my rogue and have been gearing him up for troll heroics and haven't had any success with taking "heavier" gear, any way, though I admit I've never actively tried and just occasionally had a few pieces in bags from Greed rolls in regular heroics.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Chicken » Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:23 am

To get back on the original topic, a German fansite did an interview with Tom Chilton and Chris Robinson about patch 4.3, which included some stuff on the Void Storage and Transmogrifier. Rough translations since my German is pretty lousy:

- 4.3 will feature the Deathwing raid.
- There'll be three completely new 5-man instances as well. No rehashes this time.
- The Transmogrifier will be able to change the look of your gear into one of the tier armor sets of your class. They're still undecided on whether or not you'll have to actually have the old set to be able to change the looks of your gear to it.
- The Void Storage is planned to be a huge bank that can only store specific items; like old armor and weapons, etc. they haven't fully decided on its limitations yet.

Original article available here for those here who speak German or want to brave it using an online translator: http://wow.gamona.de/2011/08/17/wow-pat ... ter-traum/
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby Worldie » Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:23 am

They just confirmed Transmogrifier doing exactly what we supposed it to do.

Also I hate Chicken for having been 0.1 seconds faster than me.
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Re: Void Storage and Transmogrifier's

Postby lythac » Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:30 am

BRB getting Banana Shoulders.

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Edit - Also getting the recoloured red Banana Shoulders for my warrior.
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