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Troll lore and future expansion

Postby Amirya » Thu Apr 18, 2013 4:25 pm

Huh. I always thought that, while night elves and trolls shared a common ancestry, they weren't actually one descended from the other.
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Re: Transmogrification and stuff!

Postby Chunes » Thu Apr 18, 2013 4:34 pm

Amirya wrote:Huh. I always thought that, while night elves and trolls shared a common ancestry, they weren't actually one descended from the other.


There seems to be a lot of disagreement. Some sources say the nelves are their own tree entirely, others say they're a branch on the troll tree, others say they were formed by the comingling of elunish beings and prototrolls.

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Re: Transmogrification and stuff!

Postby Era » Thu Apr 18, 2013 4:47 pm

Amirya wrote:Huh. I always thought that, while night elves and trolls shared a common ancestry, they weren't actually one descended from the other.


Sounds reasonable to me. I started out as a night elf (priest), and I remember really loving the lore and the night elf starting areas. The music, the quests, everything. :D And I quite enjoyed the updated troll starting areas, when that came around - at least some of the lore and atmosphere. Didn't quite care for the quests.

...oh and the taurens! ...and the forsaken! Actually, I think I really like all the Classic races' lore. I think I would've been a much larger lore geek had I actually played the game from release, and not come in later. :roll:
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Re: Transmogrification and stuff!

Postby KysenMurrin » Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:44 am

Have we seen a non-Curse of Flesh precursor to Elves or Trolls yet?
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Re: Transmogrification and stuff!

Postby bldavis » Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:02 am

based on what i remember of the lore, proto-trolls were transformed into kaldorei (nelfs) through interaction with the well of eternity
and my personal theory is that the trolls were one of the earliest intelligent races

everything else has a titan-created progenitor, is an alien, or has ties to one of the animal spirits...or are a corrupted race

(talking just about playable races here)
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Re: Transmogrification and stuff!

Postby Sagara » Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:04 am

Nope. It seems the Titans only created the Vrykul, Dwarves, Gnomes, Tol'Vir and Mogu. And only the Titan creations have been discussing being affected by the Curse.

As far as native sentient races are concerned, that leaves us with:
Elves (all strains) and possibly related Trolls
Proto-drakes
Aqir
Faceless Ones
the Ancients and Elune (Malorne & all)
Goblins
Tauren
Gnolls
Murlocs
Harpies
Kobolds
Pandaren (and possibly related, Furbolgs)
Pygmies
Quillboars
Ettin
Magnataurs
Tuskarr
Wolvar

JEEZ. That's actually quite a lot of them.
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Re: Transmogrification and stuff!

Postby Era » Fri Apr 19, 2013 2:58 am

So where'd the humans come from? Dwarven mutation?
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Re: Transmogrification and stuff!

Postby culhag » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:17 am

Era wrote:So where'd the humans come from? Dwarven mutation?

Vrykuls. We learn that in Howling Fjord.
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Re: Transmogrification and stuff!

Postby Sagara » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:19 am

Era wrote:So where'd the humans come from? Dwarven mutation?


Oh, thought it was common knowledge, but some Vrykuls children devolved into humans. King Ymiron ordered them put to death, but some parents abandoned the children instead, who eventually became the Humans.
It is supposed that this is why Humans revere the silver hand, and knew of a Keeper's name (Tyr) before ever hearing the word "Uldaman" - it is part of their mythologival heritage.
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Re: Transmogrification and stuff!

Postby Era » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:35 am

Right. I actually did know that.
Clearly quitting WoW has made my brain mush, I should come back. :(
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Re: Transmogrification and stuff!

Postby Sagara » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:42 am

Yessss... You definitly should... Listen to my voice... Come to ussss....

Also, my face when <----- I forgot the Hozen in my list of sentients.
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Re: Transmogrification and stuff!

Postby lythac » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:43 am

culhag wrote:
Era wrote:So where'd the humans come from? Dwarven mutation?

Vrykuls. We learn that in Howling Fjord.


This quest - The Echo of Ymiron

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Re: Transmogrification and stuff!

Postby Era » Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:15 am

Yeah, I remembered the quest right away when culhag said Vrykul. Been too long. Was a good quest chain as well, I remember enjoying it quite a bit!

And yeah, that is one terrifying baby. :lol:

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Re: Transmogrification and stuff!

Postby Chunes » Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:00 am

Dear God. You can see why he wanted them killed.


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Watch, next expansion will be a break in the trend:

Full troll expansion, with one token "non-troll" raid thrown in 75% through the expac.

Mark my words.
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Postby halabar » Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:47 am

Chunes wrote:
Dear God. You can see why he wanted them killed.


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Watch, next expansion will be a break in the trend:

Full troll expansion, with one token "non-troll" raid thrown in 75% through the expac.

Mark my words.


Hey, I already called that.. we have to defeat the empire once and for all.
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Re: Transmogrification and stuff!

Postby KysenMurrin » Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:56 am

I'm now thinking it's a toss-up: Either Burning Legion invasion expansion, or Zandalari Empire. I'd prefer Zandalari with more build up for demons in the following expansion, personally, but we know the invasion is coming either way.
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Re: Transmogrification and stuff!

Postby halabar » Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:01 am

KysenMurrin wrote:I'm now thinking it's a toss-up: Either Burning Legion invasion expansion, or Zandalari Empire. I'd prefer Zandalari with more build up for demons in the following expansion, personally, but we know the invasion is coming either way.


True, but I think the Zandalari would be anti-clamatic after defeating the Burning Legion. (Unless Blizz paints it as the Zandalari are trying to take advantage of the devastation caused by the Burning Legion).

Of course, if we do fight the empire first, that means another xpac of kissing up to Wrathion for KmartLegendaries.
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Re: Transmogrification and stuff!

Postby KysenMurrin » Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:08 am

I don't know, I think with Wrathion revealing his big plan to us in the next patch, his story is likely to take a big turn in 5.4. I don't think we're going to go along with his "unite the world by conquest" thing.
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Re: Transmogrification and stuff!

Postby halabar » Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:11 am

KysenMurrin wrote:I don't know, I think with Wrathion revealing his big plan to us in the next patch, his story is likely to take a big turn in 5.4. I don't think we're going to go along with his "unite the world by conquest" thing.


So along with Garrosh, we have to defeat Wrathion too? Deathwing the sequel? Was wondering what they were going to do for other bosses in the Garrosh beat-down. Also wonder where the raid will actually be in Org.
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Re: Transmogrification and stuff!

Postby Teranoid » Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:16 am

I don't see Wrathion as being an enemy. He's basically like "yeah my dad was a complete douchecanoe thanks for offing him he was a total dick and here in return I'll try to help you avoid obliterating the entirety of Azeroth."
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Re: Transmogrification and stuff!

Postby KysenMurrin » Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:25 am

I don't think he'll be an enemy we have to fight, no. I think our relationship with him could become a more complicated, though, and less just straightforward "here's some nice stuff".
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Re: Transmogrification and stuff!

Postby Shoju » Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:27 am

Chunes wrote:
Dear God. You can see why he wanted them killed.


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Watch, next expansion will be a break in the trend:

Full troll expansion, with one token "non-troll" raid thrown in 75% through the expac.

Mark my words.


I wouuld consider coming back for a troll expac.
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Re: Transmogrification and stuff!

Postby bldavis » Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:44 pm

i would love a troll expansion!
(and might consider race changing my lock or my dk to a troll, both are foresaken right now)
or maybe my belf rogue...but she would also need name changed and switched to male...so nm

anyway..with how things are looking right now with the backing the mogu get from the zandilari, and the fact trolls can already be locks, i would say that the next expansion is troll, in which they get increasingly desperate as we get closer and closer to shutting them down, and their last act is to call upon the burning legion or something to get us into burning legion expansion (sargeras as last boss?)

ive given up hope of an emerald dream expansion at this point
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Re: Transmogrification and stuff!

Postby Era » Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:32 pm

They could do an emerald dream & troll expansion for level 95, exploring both at once - and then Burning Legion for the supposedly final level 100. Carve our way through the Zandalari for the first two patches, then the emerald dream on the two last, or something.

And yeah, I think I'd definitely return for a troll and/or emerald dream expansion. Preferably with new character models all 'round. And maybe a little more paladin compatibility on the Horde side... I mean, when you can slide in tauren paladins, you can slide in orcs or trolls as well, imo.

Though, with new and shiny character models, it'd be a fresh hell to try and figure out what race to go as... :roll:
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Re: Transmogrification and stuff!

Postby Shoju » Fri Apr 19, 2013 2:44 pm

You would go troll. There are no other races.
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