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Re: pre-pot with a count down for bosses?

Postby Meloree » Thu Apr 21, 2011 4:34 pm

Worldie wrote:To be fairly honest, not all classes can pre pot either. I can't for example, as prepotting as retri is actually a DPS loss (unless you run with a silly amount of rogues / hunters in raid).


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Re: pre-pot with a count down for bosses?

Postby Aubade » Thu Apr 21, 2011 4:38 pm

Meloree wrote:
Worldie wrote:To be fairly honest, not all classes can pre pot either. I can't for example, as prepotting as retri is actually a DPS loss (unless you run with a silly amount of rogues / hunters in raid).


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Srsly.


Our Retri does it and he Just pops salv off the bat to ensure no accidental pull.

If it's a CD issue (not using it until 5 stacks of vengance/GoaK stacks/AW) Just use your second pot when the CD's align again (Usually during a hero phase.
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Re: pre-pot with a count down for bosses?

Postby Worldie » Fri Apr 22, 2011 5:53 am

Not sure what kind of tank you run with, but i use GoatK on pull, AW+Zea 10 seconds after for STR buff uptime, and in those 20 seconds i run up to 65k DPS according to WoL and inevitably overaggro even the best tanks out of there. Salvation hardly does anything when 2% of your threat is almost nothing (on the pull), and glyphed salvation only means you will overaggro 10 seconds later.

This ofc doesn't happen if theres 3+ misdirects available, which almost never was the case in my last 3 guilds as rogues, hunters and warlocks apparently have been removed from the game.
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Re: pre-pot with a count down for bosses?

Postby warden » Fri Apr 22, 2011 6:43 am

This goes back to why I was talking about extremely limited situations. As someone who also plays mainspec ret, the question of when to burn that first set of CDs, I agree, is important. Crunch the numbers though Worldie, and I think your method is actually costing you dps, unless that 15-20 seconds that you're not waiting for CDs is making the difference between (n) and (n+1) full sets of CDs over the course of the fight.

Remember, ret has a long ramp up time. If you're burning the first set of CDs literally on the pull, you're missing key points of your spin up. You'll waste an AW GCD on judgement running in (1.5s) to get JOTP up, censure won't be stacked, and the boss won't have a full set of debuffs on it. Furthermore, you'll have to put up inq (another 1.5s GCD) during AW instead of pushing close to another TV, and possibly waste a DP proc on it if you're unlucky with timing. I'll assume you have your 4pc to allow 1hp Inq refresh on the first CS(can't see the armory from work, but this is an important distinction).

Consider pushing back that first set of CDs for up to 30 seconds, providing that won't prevent you from getting another set in (not sure how long your normal kills are). You'll probably gain more net dps from your CDs that way, and it will also allow you to pre-pot, unless you're blowing hero in the first minute of the fight and want to save that pot CD for stacking with an early hero. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.
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Re: pre-pot with a count down for bosses?

Postby Worldie » Fri Apr 22, 2011 6:56 am

Gonna try out what you say if I actually manage to find a guild |:
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Re: pre-pot with a count down for bosses?

Postby Fetzie » Fri Apr 22, 2011 6:56 am

Now that censure stacks up from pretty much everything the rampup is no-where near as bad as it was in wrath when you have about 15 seconds before you even started to think about using a cooldown.
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Re: pre-pot with a count down for bosses?

Postby Worldie » Fri Apr 22, 2011 6:57 am

Well in the case of many rets who use the valor trinket, the rampup time includes stacking up the STR buff.
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Re: pre-pot with a count down for bosses?

Postby Passionario » Fri Apr 22, 2011 7:49 am

Rhiannon wrote:Damage multipliers/crit bonuses used to be "roll-able" in wrath, ie refreshes via mechanics such as mind flay refreshing SW:P would not update the SW:P's multiplier/crit chance so if you applied a SW:P with tricks, wild magic and then never applied it manually again for the rest of the fight, only refreshing it via mind flay, it would keep those multipliers for the entire fight. That was changed in 4.0 and is probably what you're thinking of.

Easy enough to test: I apply corruption to a dummy, it ticks for 1981. Volcano, power torrent and lightweave proc, it stills ticks for 1981. I re-apply corruption, it ticks for 2671. Volcano, power torrent and lightweave fall off, corruption still ticks for 2671 until it expires.


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Re: pre-pot with a count down for bosses?

Postby Chasey » Fri Apr 22, 2011 9:09 am

Some great info in this thread, I just don't understand why someone wouldn't do a countdown....its takes no effort. :roll:
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Re: pre-pot with a count down for bosses?

Postby PsiVen » Fri Apr 22, 2011 10:08 am

I always call when I'm about to pull; for most bosses this is equivalent to a countdown as it takes a few seconds for me to run in. If you're consistent and run with the same people, they will quickly learn the timing they need for pre-potting. In the case of bosses where you stand right in front of them and pull at a moment's notice, I always countdown which should allow anyone to figure out the timing to pre-pot.
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Re: pre-pot with a count down for bosses?

Postby djlar » Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:27 am

I always prepot as DPS, specially with rogue or hunter, not only it helps my DPS but generates more threat to the tank, I've done it since those DPS demanding fights, like the first week of ICC on Saurfang, in those times with that gear you could easily wipe due to marks, same as Festergut when it came out.

(heck we are STILL wiping on Maloriak due to enrage timer)
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Re: pre-pot with a count down for bosses?

Postby sherck » Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:56 am

djlar wrote:(heck we are STILL wiping on Maloriak due to enrage timer)


Maloriak has an enrage timer? :shock:

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Re: pre-pot with a count down for bosses?

Postby Nikachelle » Mon Apr 25, 2011 11:18 am

sherck wrote:
djlar wrote:(heck we are STILL wiping on Maloriak due to enrage timer)


Maloriak has an enrage timer? :shock:

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Re: pre-pot with a count down for bosses?

Postby RedAces » Mon Apr 25, 2011 12:21 pm

hey,
Nikachelle wrote:
sherck wrote:
djlar wrote:(heck we are STILL wiping on Maloriak due to enrage timer)


Maloriak has an enrage timer? :shock:

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Re: pre-pot with a count down for bosses?

Postby Teranoid » Mon Apr 25, 2011 12:44 pm

sherck wrote:
djlar wrote:(heck we are STILL wiping on Maloriak due to enrage timer)


Maloriak has an enrage timer? :shock:

Cheers,


Yeah we never noticed either considering the fact we end up most times having to let an entire remedy go through before pushing P2. Its still pretty funny to have to purposely ignore a buff so we don't basically ruin ourselves.
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