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Re: Game of Thrones

PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 10:03 am
by d503
Agreed with Sabin...bit too nitpicky thurr...

Re: Game of Thrones

PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 10:11 am
by cerwillis
I would also have to say that Cersei certainly looked put upon to be dragged up to the North, and she is clearly already positioning for power in the "unlikely event" of Robert's death. The scene with Sansa is indeed a good one.

Please keep in mind that any heavy-handedness is due to very likely possibility that they will have to condense an entire chapter into one scene in some cases. It's not a question of IF they will be condensing, but how they treat it when they do. Catelyn's conversation with Bran about climbing certainly didn't go down like that in the book, but it served the same purpose and was unoffensive IMO.

Re: Game of Thrones

PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 10:22 am
by d503
cerwillis wrote:I would also have to say that Cersei certainly looked put upon to be dragged up to the North, and she is clearly already positioning for power in the "unlikely event" of Robert's death. The scene with Sansa is indeed a good one.

Please keep in mind that any heavy-handedness is due to very likely possibility that they will have to condense an entire chapter into one scene in some cases. It's not a question of IF they will be condensing, but how they treat it when they do. Catelyn's conversation with Bran about climbing certainly didn't go down like that in the book, but it served the same purpose and was unoffensive IMO.


Certainly what people should be expecting with an adaptation to film/series, is conveyance of basic character and flaws that are pertinent to the story (be it the main story, or a side story).

A good example of it done well was the Bran climbing you mention above.

A bad example would be Faramir's characterization in LOTR. While I was fine with how it "ended" with his character, I was a bit upset when they made him such a twat in the movies.

Re: Game of Thrones

PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 10:23 am
by Sabindeus
We're at the point now where I read A Game of Thrones SO LONG AGO that I really don't remember any details about what happened, just general overall plot and stuff. Like in the prologue part at the Wall I couldn't remember if Jon Snow was there yet or not. So watching this for me is like, reading it again for the first time or something like that. As such I think I am going to be extremely quick to forgive them any deviance from the original because I straight up don't remember it.

Side Note: the scene with Tyrion in the whorehouse was awesome (for many reasons)

Re: Game of Thrones

PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 10:51 am
by Klaudandus
If a character is played by Sean Bean, you know he's gonna die.

*scurries*

Re: Game of Thrones

PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 10:57 am
by Aerron
Sabindeus wrote:
The Hound's casting bothers me. Other than that, and Cat being a bit old, the rest of the cast was spot on.


I thought Catelyn was cast perfectly, but ok.


I thought she played the role well, but she just seemed older than I would have pictured her. That said, they bumped everyone's age up by at least 2 years so that some of the other scenes would be palatable to a general audience, so it's not that big of a deal.

Re: Game of Thrones

PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:01 am
by d503
Klaudandus wrote:If a character is played by Sean Bean, you know he's gonna die.

*scurries*


If that's a book spoiler, please stop doing it...there will inevitably be some new fans that come about as a result of this series (I am one of them) who are in process of reading the books, etc. I'm sure we'd rather not be spoiled on main plot points in the books :(

If it's a joke, cheers, I chuckled :)

Re: Game of Thrones

PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:04 am
by Klaudandus
Never read the book actually, so I don't know. In fact, didn't even get to watch it on Sunday -- gonna download it once I get home.

But I can't remember a character that Sean Bean has portrayed that has not died or been removed from the plot before the end of the movie.

Re: Game of Thrones

PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:38 am
by thatguy
Watched it. Enjoyed it. Will be anxiously awaiting the next installment.

Re: Game of Thrones

PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:57 am
by Gabe
cerwillis wrote:
Sabindeus wrote:
Gabe wrote:I suppose it felt a bit too much like a play; the stage is set, people walk onto it and do their stuff and then walk away, like they're doing a scene. A good example was the when Rob and Ed were walking in the catacombs. First they walk in one direction, then stop to chat and finally turn around and go back the way they came.


iirc they were going to go pay respects to Ned's sister.

Yeah, I mean, how many catacombs have a front and back door? They went in, Robert paid his respects to the sister, whined a bit, and then made his proposal to Ned, they then exited, I don't see the problem.


Except the scene where they pay their respects to Lyanna was after the scene with the U-turn.

Re: Game of Thrones

PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:02 pm
by d503
Gabe wrote:Except the scene where they pay their respects to Lyanna was after the scene with the U-turn.


If you're watching the series to be a word-for-word depiction of scenes from the book to the screen, maybe you should just go re-read the book, 'cause you're not going to find that in any adaptation of any book to screen.

Pacing in books is dramatically different to pacing in movies/series. What is important to the reader is not necessarily important to the viewer.

Not having this as an expectation just leads to disappointment.

Re: Game of Thrones

PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:05 pm
by KysenMurrin
Aerron wrote:That said, they bumped everyone's age up by at least 2 years so that some of the other scenes would be palatable to a general audience, so it's not that big of a deal.

Yeah, I just started rereading the book and Bran is 7, Jon Snow is 14, etc... TV show Sansa is apparently a late bloomer... (Haven't reached Sansa in the book yet, but she was only about 13 by the third/fourth book iirc.)

Re: Game of Thrones

PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:16 pm
by Sabindeus
KysenMurrin wrote:
Aerron wrote:That said, they bumped everyone's age up by at least 2 years so that some of the other scenes would be palatable to a general audience, so it's not that big of a deal.

Yeah, I just started rereading the book and Bran is 7, Jon Snow is 14, etc... TV show Sansa is apparently a late bloomer... (Haven't reached Sansa in the book yet, but she was only about 13 by the third/fourth book iirc.)


Just in terms of finding viable actors for everyone, the age increases do not bother me even a little.

Re: Game of Thrones

PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:17 pm
by Aerron
KysenMurrin wrote:
Aerron wrote:That said, they bumped everyone's age up by at least 2 years so that some of the other scenes would be palatable to a general audience, so it's not that big of a deal.

Yeah, I just started rereading the book and Bran is 7, Jon Snow is 14, etc... TV show Sansa is apparently a late bloomer... (Haven't reached Sansa in the book yet, but she was only about 13 by the third/fourth book iirc.)


Right, and in the show they make it a point to mention of Bran being 10. So if you add 3 onto about everybody, you'd probably be in the right range.

I think Sansa starts off as 12 in Game of Thrones, and by Storm of Swords she's supposed to be fourteen. So you're looking at a 15 to 17 range?

Re: Game of Thrones

PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:18 pm
by d503
Sabindeus wrote:
KysenMurrin wrote:
Aerron wrote:That said, they bumped everyone's age up by at least 2 years so that some of the other scenes would be palatable to a general audience, so it's not that big of a deal.

Yeah, I just started rereading the book and Bran is 7, Jon Snow is 14, etc... TV show Sansa is apparently a late bloomer... (Haven't reached Sansa in the book yet, but she was only about 13 by the third/fourth book iirc.)


Just in terms of finding viable actors for everyone, the age increases do not bother me even a little.


Yeah, I'd rather fudge an age by two years than have a shitty "anakin."

Re: Game of Thrones

PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:19 pm
by Sabindeus
that having been said, I really like the kid playing Bran. What little I've seen of him really nails it imo.

Re: Game of Thrones

PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:20 pm
by Aerron
d503 wrote:
Sabindeus wrote:Just in terms of finding viable actors for everyone, the age increases do not bother me even a little.


Yeah, I'd rather fudge an age by two years than have a shitty "anakin."


Well, I think the concern was more that some of those characters have scenes that a general TV audience, even an HBO one, might have issues coming to grips with.

I'd make a comment about murderous children not being give a second thought, but any more detail than that might border on spoilerish.

Re: Game of Thrones

PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:24 pm
by d503
Aerron wrote:
d503 wrote:
Sabindeus wrote:but any more detail than that might border on spoilerish.

<3 :D

Re: Game of Thrones

PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:28 pm
by kennywu54

Re: Game of Thrones

PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:34 pm
by KysenMurrin
Speaking of the children and ages, it was noticed elsewhere that Rickon, the youngest Stark (2-3 ish?) has not made an appearance in the show.

Re: Game of Thrones

PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:47 pm
by Aerron
KysenMurrin wrote:Speaking of the children and ages, it was noticed elsewhere that Rickon, the youngest Stark (2-3 ish?) has not made an appearance in the show.


Actually, I remember seeing him in one scene, wherein he only laughs and gets no lines. But there were a lot of characters that were difficult to recognize. Most of the group I watched with didn't recognize the (helmetless) Hound, until I pointed out the "weird hair-do on that one dude" was actually supposed to be part of his burns.

Re: Game of Thrones

PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 1:11 pm
by KysenMurrin
Yeah, I noticed the Hound in his helmet when they first arrived, and then a brief look at him without later - his scars seem to cover a lot less of his face than I expected.

Re: Game of Thrones

PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 1:23 pm
by Sabindeus
Jason Momoa as Khal Drogo was ftw

Re: Game of Thrones

PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 2:14 pm
by Gabe
d503 wrote:
Gabe wrote:Except the scene where they pay their respects to Lyanna was after the scene with the U-turn.


If you're watching the series to be a word-for-word depiction of scenes from the book to the screen, maybe you should just go re-read the book, 'cause you're not going to find that in any adaptation of any book to screen.

Pacing in books is dramatically different to pacing in movies/series. What is important to the reader is not necessarily important to the viewer.

Not having this as an expectation just leads to disappointment.


Yeah, I... *Sigh* If you read my original post you find that it was hardly my point that they didn't do turnabouts in the books.

It was that something about the direction of the show made it feel play-like, that I felt like I was watching people play the characters rather than the actual characters acting. Not fault of the actors, I think, but something in how they set up the scenes and the angles they shot the thing in. Maybe that's just me being overly used to the nowadays ubiquitous method of using "realistic", shaky handcam type of camerawork or maybe I'm just too stuck to my images of the characters, as you suggest.

So the reason why I brought up the scene was to give an example of a situation in the series that made me feel that way. Something like that just drops me right out of an experience. Not a big minus, and by the looks of it something I was in the minority in.

Pacing being a bit off is a different issue and, as I already mentioned, is an unavoidable problem with a TV adaptation and thus can't be held against the series.

Anyway dragging on for too long, apologies. Have to get that last word, or words in. :D

My biggest positive surprise of the cast was the guy they chose to play Jaime. It sort of feels like he's in a different kind of a series from the rest of the characters, which fits Jaime perfectly.

Re: Game of Thrones

PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 2:44 pm
by Sabindeus
Gabe wrote:It was that something about the direction of the show made it feel play-like, that I felt like I was watching people play the characters rather than the actual characters acting. Not fault of the actors, I think, but something in how they set up the scenes and the angles they shot the thing in. Maybe that's just me being overly used to the nowadays ubiquitous method of using "realistic", shaky handcam type of camerawork or maybe I'm just too stuck to my images of the characters, as you suggest.

ugh... camera shake is terrible, I'm sick of it.