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Re: How is prot for day-to-day solo play these days?

Postby Kelaan » Wed Jan 26, 2011 9:58 am

Koatanga wrote:I find solo questing pretty annoying. Most quest areas seem to be built with mobs far enough apart so that DPS don't get overwhelmed...

I can survive pretty much anything. I have pulled tons of things in Tol Barad without issues.

Tol Barad and Wildhammer Dailies are fantastic as prot. Ride in, gather, AOE, profit. (By "aoe" I mean 3-5 at once,not many more.) I wear DPS gear for this.

Questing in general is worse, as ret kills most things faster. Some of the escort quests in Twilight Highlands have some nasty respawns, though. I like the no-thought approach that Prot lets me take: I'm nearly never in danger, so I don't have to self heal very often. That said, questing (even at the "correct" level) is much slower than ret, even with the risk (which, usually, is very small).
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Re: How is prot for day-to-day solo play these days?

Postby Tev » Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:00 pm

Skye1013 wrote:I've solo'd most of Kara with my 80 pally, so I don't think you'll have any troubles at 85. Biggest problems would probably be certain Opera events (BBW and the Lil' Red Riding Hood debuff for example) and I don't think Netherspite is soloable because of the beams. Friend and I 2 manned it (switched back and forth between I think the red and blue beams). Also chess might be interesting to solo. Of course, that's assuming you're going for the full run to get the gold from all the bosses.


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Re: How is prot for day-to-day solo play these days?

Postby rodos » Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:40 pm

Kelaan wrote:
Koatanga wrote:I find solo questing pretty annoying. Most quest areas seem to be built with mobs far enough apart so that DPS don't get overwhelmed...

I can survive pretty much anything. I have pulled tons of things in Tol Barad without issues.

Tol Barad and Wildhammer Dailies are fantastic as prot. Ride in, gather, AOE, profit. (By "aoe" I mean 3-5 at once,not many more.) I wear DPS gear for this.

These are the only dailies I'm really doing at the moment. I switched over my spec yesterday and found prot to be just fine for dailies. Even killing things 1v1 (got to kill every Baradin Fox for a chance at the pet!). I was running with all my ret gear + mace & shield and found killing not much slower than as ret really. Occasionally ret gets a good string of HoL and AoW procs and can blow something up in a few globals, but other times you're just sitting there with everything on CD waiting for your 3.x second auto-attack.

The 939 rotation is simpler too, and if all the fillers that you want to use are on CD you have less time to wait for the next CS than ret. My only beef is with the spell queue system. With 350±50 ms latency it's really quite annoying. Ret is mostly GCD-limited, except for the odd CS when everything is on CD, so I can generally fire off each ability in a 1.5s rhythm and have it work as intended, because you can cast during the GCD. With prot, every second attack (CS or HotR) is coming off a "hard cooldown", so I have to spam the button until the client thinks the CD has expired.
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Re: How is prot for day-to-day solo play these days?

Postby Kelaan » Thu Jan 27, 2011 2:49 pm

If I had mode macro slots, I'd write some weapon switching macros for 2H prot. Then my soloing rotation could go,

CS, judge,
CS, HW,
CS (switch to shield+sword)
ShoR (switch to 2H)

It ... It might actually be kinda cool. As it is, I have nothing to use HP on other than healing. A macro would also let me go CS(Switch)->AS, but that's likely useless for direct DPS. Without using ShoR, 2H prot seems pretty anemic: lots of mana, not much more dps than sword+board.
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Re: How is prot for day-to-day solo play these days?

Postby rodos » Thu Jan 27, 2011 6:27 pm

Kelaan wrote:If I had mode macro slots, I'd write some weapon switching macros for 2H prot. Then my soloing rotation could go,

CS, judge,
CS, HW,
CS (switch to shield+sword)
ShoR (switch to 2H)

It ... It might actually be kinda cool. As it is, I have nothing to use HP on other than healing. A macro would also let me go CS(Switch)->AS, but that's likely useless for direct DPS. Without using ShoR, 2H prot seems pretty anemic: lots of mana, not much more dps than sword+board.

By using a 2H you're missing out on AS, which hits pretty hard, even unglyphed. You also miss out on Reckoning, since it's a chance on block now. (Oh, the fun I had with the 2H "Reckabution" spec when leveling in BC). Now, a macro to switch in a 2H when reckoning procs could be interesting. I wonder if the extra auto attacks would be worth the swing timer reset and (potential) loss of a GCD.
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Re: How is prot for day-to-day solo play these days?

Postby DT- » Thu Jan 27, 2011 10:08 pm

First of all, sorry for my bad english..

1. Molten Core - solo full (Geddon and Ragnaros fall dmg kicked my ass twice)
2. Karazhan - solo full (1 wipe on nether and 3 chess events loses) - 500g+ proffit
3. Zul'Aman - solo full (last boss's Dragonhawk phase is hard for me) - 500g+ proffit
4. Hellfire Citadel: Magtheridon's Lair - solo full (13min fight) - 500g+ proffit
5. Gruul's Lair - Gruul solo, but I can`t kill High King Maulgar.. (tryied him in full blue gear, may be I can solo him now)
6. Caverns of Time: Hyjal Summit - waves till 1st boss = 90% of shields durability loss..
Rage Froidhiver - permanent frost trap, can`t kill him solo.

p.s. allways used sword and board w\o food and flasks

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p.p.s. For soloing I think it is better to use items with crit+mastery or crit+hit\expertise stats.. more crits => more dps, more crit heals and all going to be more easy..
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Re: How is prot for day-to-day solo play these days?

Postby Skye1013 » Thu Jan 27, 2011 10:36 pm

Still trying to figure out the best way to solo chess... it's kind of a bitch with Medivh's fire cheat... anyone have any tips?
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Re: How is prot for day-to-day solo play these days?

Postby masterpoobaa » Thu Jan 27, 2011 10:49 pm

I have to admit the idea of getting epic 85 gear then going to smash the bejeebus outta everything sub level 80 is tempting me to come back to wow.

How far into AQ20/40 can you get now? (assuming basic blue/epic dungeon gear)
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Re: How is prot for day-to-day solo play these days?

Postby Skye1013 » Thu Jan 27, 2011 11:16 pm

masterpoobaa wrote:I have to admit the idea of getting epic 85 gear then going to smash the bejeebus outta everything sub level 80 is tempting me to come back to wow.

How far into AQ20/40 can you get now? (assuming basic blue/epic dungeon gear)


That might be my expirement for the day (though I'm using a DK, not a pally.) I usually have troubles with the first boss in AQ40 once he splits. Maybe 125k hp will help against that. AQ20 is likely soloable (not sure about that one boss that puts you on the altar and sends the grub worms after you, I've only been through AQ20 like twice.)
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Re: How is prot for day-to-day solo play these days?

Postby Chicken » Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:06 pm

AQ20 should be entirely soloable; it's actually trivial enough damage wise that pretty much any class can solo the place at this point. For the wasp boss, just make sure you remain the only target: For a Paladin that should come down to not using Guardian of Ancient Kings, than she won't paralyze you and send an insta-kill grub after you. You might want to swap to an int set for her to speed things up though, exorcism spamming is expensive and just using judgement and avenger's shield would take a while. It was soloable at level 80 as well, though the wasp boss was best skipped as actually killing her took way too long.

I can solo AQ40 up to the Twin Emps on my new main (A warlock); I'd expect it to be easily doable for a Paladin as well. I can get Skeram's copies down effectively even with them constantly spamming Earth Shock and thus interrupting me; just a case of not using anything that has a cast time when they're up. I'd recommend skipping the optional bosses, for me the bug trio is technically killable, but would require the stars aligning just right. I tried it for 15 minutes straight a while ago, but decided to just reset them after I'd dealt ten times the total health of the healing bug in damage without killing her (And I had multiple times where she was down to 5% health... Hence technically possible).

BWL just suffers from the first two bosses being impossible to solo for technical reasons, the parts after that are quite doable. MC should be really easy.
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Re: How is prot for day-to-day solo play these days?

Postby DT- » Sun Jan 30, 2011 1:47 am

Skye1013 wrote:Still trying to figure out the best way to solo chess... it's kind of a bitch with Medivh's fire cheat... anyone have any tips?


1. use healer - rotate him to the king\queen.
2. use second healer - rotate him to the king\queen too.
3. use peasant in front of king - move forward.
4. use king if cheat-aoe used or use queen and nuke enemy healers.
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Re: How is prot for day-to-day solo play these days?

Postby Skye1013 » Sun Jan 30, 2011 2:44 am

DT- wrote:
Skye1013 wrote:Still trying to figure out the best way to solo chess... it's kind of a bitch with Medivh's fire cheat... anyone have any tips?


1. use healer - rotate him to the king\queen.
2. use second healer - rotate him to the king\queen too.
3. use peasant in front of king - move forward.
4. use king if cheat-aoe used or use queen and nuke enemy healers.

I finally managed to solo it, but I think it bugged out because all of a sudden none of the pieces were moving (except attack animations) and nobody was taking damage except for me attacking Llane with the Warlock.

Also of note for anyone else that wants to try: When Medivh uses the fire cheat, he'll always put a fire under the King, whatever piece you're controlling at the time, and one other random piece. So you might be able to use that to your advantage by controlling a pawn when you think he's about to cheat.
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Re: How is prot for day-to-day solo play these days?

Postby Annadin » Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:55 am

DT- wrote:
1. use healer - rotate him to the king\queen.
2. use second healer - rotate him to the king\queen too.
3. use peasant in front of king - move forward.
4. use king if cheat-aoe used or use queen and nuke enemy healers.


I use Satrina Buff Frames and it currently won't allow right-click buff removal, (dunno if the same applies to the standard UI buffs) so I would add:

5. Use a '/cancelaura Control Piece' macro
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Re: How is prot for day-to-day solo play these days?

Postby Arees » Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:54 am

Annadin wrote:I use Satrina Buff Frames and it currently won't allow right-click buff removal, (dunno if the same applies to the standard UI buffs) so I would add:

5. Use a '/cancelaura Control Piece' macro


Thats because the buff removal system has become protected in the blizzard API. It is changing a little bit in 4.0.6 and becoming protected only when in combat. I don't understand though why these buff addons like satrinas and elkanos can't just look at the buff you right click on and then run /canceluara buffname for that buff.
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Re: How is prot for day-to-day solo play these days?

Postby Kelaan » Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:57 am

Annadin wrote:5. Use a '/cancelaura Control Piece' macro

I thought /dance was the normally accepted way of breaking a mind controlling channel? We always used that on Razorgore and Chess.
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