Patch update from mmo-champion

Anything, including off-topic posts

Moderators: Fridmarr, Worldie, Aergis, Sabindeus, PsiVen

Re: Patch update from mmo-champion

Postby KysenMurrin » Thu Jan 06, 2011 12:45 pm

I'm not really sure they'll let the Stoneform change stick. It's kinda too good for tanks compared to any racial except maybe the 20% heal from Draenei.
I don't play WoW any more.
Donnan - Nangun - Kysen - Kysen - Mardun - Timkins

Mostly-Book Blog.
KysenMurrin
 
Posts: 6833
Joined: Thu Jun 26, 2008 6:37 am
Location: UK

Re: Patch update from mmo-champion

Postby Flex » Thu Jan 06, 2011 12:47 pm

KysenMurrin wrote:I'm not really sure they'll let the Stoneform change stick. It's kinda too good for tanks compared to any racial except maybe the 20% heal from Draenei.


meh, 2% avoidance for nelfs is still a goodin
We live in a society where people born on third base constantly try to steal second, yet we expect people born with two strikes against them to hit a homerun on the first pitch.
User avatar
Flex
 
Posts: 7500
Joined: Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:29 am

Re: Patch update from mmo-champion

Postby Palisade » Thu Jan 06, 2011 12:51 pm

Flex wrote:
KysenMurrin wrote:I'm not really sure they'll let the Stoneform change stick. It's kinda too good for tanks compared to any racial except maybe the 20% heal from Draenei.


meh, 2% avoidance for nelfs is still a goodin


It think it will go through... Nelfs (warr's and druids) get 2% avoidance free. Space goats get a heal based on 20% of the targets health. Humans still have Every Man for Himself, which is being re-reduced to a 2 min CD.
Honestly, I had taken stoneform off my bar. This is will be a nice cool down addition to my bubbles.
Palisade
 
Posts: 204
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2010 4:48 pm
Location: Aerie Peak - US

Re: Patch update from mmo-champion

Postby Treck » Thu Jan 06, 2011 12:52 pm

10% dmg reduction, on a what? 2 min CD?
i wouldnt call it stupidly overpowered, problem is that the others are just plain bad.
Hit is pretty wasted as a tank (atm atleast)
2% avoidance, not available for paladins tho, but yeh sure its good.
Human racial is pretty good actually, but very specific for certain fights, fights where bubble can help you anyway (nothing wrong with having more ways to avoid some things tho)
Image
User avatar
Treck
 
Posts: 2129
Joined: Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:10 am

Re: Patch update from mmo-champion

Postby Flex » Thu Jan 06, 2011 12:56 pm

Treck wrote:10% dmg reduction, on a what? 2 min CD?
i wouldnt call it stupidly overpowered, problem is that the others are just plain bad.
Hit is pretty wasted as a tank (atm atleast)
2% avoidance, not available for paladins tho, but yeh sure its good.
Human racial is pretty good actually, but very specific for certain fights, fights where bubble can help you anyway (nothing wrong with having more ways to avoid some things tho)


You say the others are bad and then list 2 of 3 that re good and ignore the 20% of your health heal when we live in a world of heal tanking.
We live in a society where people born on third base constantly try to steal second, yet we expect people born with two strikes against them to hit a homerun on the first pitch.
User avatar
Flex
 
Posts: 7500
Joined: Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:29 am

Re: Patch update from mmo-champion

Postby Treck » Thu Jan 06, 2011 12:58 pm

Palisade wrote:Space goats get a heal based on 20% of the targets health.

Over 15sec.
Based on havign 200k hp, you will be healed for 40k in 15sec, about 8k ticks (ticks are like 5-7k atm iirc).
Its better than atm, and will be higher with more hp, it scales with AP tho, so more vengeance will result in higher ticks with the current model aswell.
Id rather take that as an instant heal instead, altho guess it could be a bit to OP then.
Id rather have a CD that reduce dmg for a spiky attack, than heal me back up after one.
And just like stoneform, get it off GCD...
Image
User avatar
Treck
 
Posts: 2129
Joined: Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:10 am

Re: Patch update from mmo-champion

Postby Treck » Thu Jan 06, 2011 1:00 pm

Flex wrote:You say the others are bad and then list 2 of 3 that re good and ignore the 20% of your health heal when we live in a world of heal tanking.

Gift of the Naaru will never result in only effective healing. In a raid its pretty wasted, esp since its on GCD.
That GCD is worth a lot more spent on WoG.
Image
User avatar
Treck
 
Posts: 2129
Joined: Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:10 am

Re: Patch update from mmo-champion

Postby bldavis » Thu Jan 06, 2011 1:01 pm

honestly, there are good and bad points to any tank race choice

hit is about worthless as a tank, i agree
but the GoN is decent CD, and i have saved my self a few times with it on my warrior
plus you get shadow damage reduction (iirc)

Stoneform is great, but do we really need 2% crit with guns? (hell yes on my hunter but a tank?)

Every Man is a great fear break, and you still have your bubble if needed

Warstomp is a nice aoe stun, but does any serious tank have herbalism? (ok ok i do on my bear, but its for inscription)

....i forgot the belf racials :oops:


with the stoneform change, i may get back into pvp again on my hunter, or may start it on my priest again

hell even dungeons and raiding, pop stoneform for a massive AoE spike and that will save mana for the healers
im pretty happy with it
Image

Brekkie:Tanks are like shitty DPS. And healers are like REALLY distracted DPS
Amirya:Why yes, your penis is longer than his because you hit 30k dps in the first 10 seconds. But guess what? That raid boss has a dick bigger than your ego.
Flex:I don't make mistakes. I execute carefully planned strategic group wipes.
Levie:(in /g) It's weird, I have a collar and I dont know where I got it from, Worgen are kinky!
Levie:Drunk Lev goes and does what he pleases just to annoy sober Lev.
Sagara:You see, you need to *spread* the bun before you insert the hot dog.
User avatar
bldavis
 
Posts: 7372
Joined: Mon Sep 07, 2009 12:04 pm
Location: Searching for myself. If i get back before I return, please have me stop and wait for myself.

Re: Patch update from mmo-champion

Postby Flex » Thu Jan 06, 2011 1:04 pm

Treck wrote:Gift of the Naaru will never result in only effective healing.


So it is like Seal of Insight then?

That GCD is worth a lot more spent on WoG.


So don't use it on a GCD when you would use WoG?

It honestly sounds like you're trying to find fault with it instead of seeing that it is free healing that no other race gets.
We live in a society where people born on third base constantly try to steal second, yet we expect people born with two strikes against them to hit a homerun on the first pitch.
User avatar
Flex
 
Posts: 7500
Joined: Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:29 am

Re: Patch update from mmo-champion

Postby bldavis » Thu Jan 06, 2011 1:06 pm

Flex wrote:
Treck wrote:Gift of the Naaru will never result in only effective healing.


So it is like Seal of Insight then?

That GCD is worth a lot more spent on WoG.


So don't use it on a GCD when you would use WoG?

It honestly sounds like you're trying to find fault with it instead of seeing that it is free healing that no other race gets.


word of glory also takes Holy Power, GoN doesnt..... :twisted:
Image

Brekkie:Tanks are like shitty DPS. And healers are like REALLY distracted DPS
Amirya:Why yes, your penis is longer than his because you hit 30k dps in the first 10 seconds. But guess what? That raid boss has a dick bigger than your ego.
Flex:I don't make mistakes. I execute carefully planned strategic group wipes.
Levie:(in /g) It's weird, I have a collar and I dont know where I got it from, Worgen are kinky!
Levie:Drunk Lev goes and does what he pleases just to annoy sober Lev.
Sagara:You see, you need to *spread* the bun before you insert the hot dog.
User avatar
bldavis
 
Posts: 7372
Joined: Mon Sep 07, 2009 12:04 pm
Location: Searching for myself. If i get back before I return, please have me stop and wait for myself.

Re: Patch update from mmo-champion

Postby Palisade » Thu Jan 06, 2011 1:12 pm

bldavis wrote:word of glory also takes Holy Power, GoN doesnt..... :twisted:


Indeed!
Palisade
 
Posts: 204
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2010 4:48 pm
Location: Aerie Peak - US

Re: Patch update from mmo-champion

Postby Njall » Thu Jan 06, 2011 1:14 pm

Sadly, one of the lesser known side effects of GoN is tentacle face, CBH, and premature tail waggling.
Image
Flight to Peru: £1000
Camping gear: £200
Native guide: £50
Sledgehammer to break down stone door: £12.99
Awakening one of the Great Old Ones: priceless.

There are some things man was not meant to know. For everything else,
there's Mastercard.
User avatar
Njall
Maintankadonor
 
Posts: 4328
Joined: Mon Oct 05, 2009 1:13 pm
Location: Thank heavens! Heavy Metal!

Re: Patch update from mmo-champion

Postby KysenMurrin » Thu Jan 06, 2011 1:20 pm

Yeah, if I had it I'd use it where I use Holy Radiance - swapping it in for Holy Wrath (when I don't time it around aoe damage).

But yeah, Draenei and Dwarf are pretty good on racials for tanking. I'd rank Humans only just above Gnome.
I don't play WoW any more.
Donnan - Nangun - Kysen - Kysen - Mardun - Timkins

Mostly-Book Blog.
KysenMurrin
 
Posts: 6833
Joined: Thu Jun 26, 2008 6:37 am
Location: UK

Re: Patch update from mmo-champion

Postby Treck » Thu Jan 06, 2011 1:23 pm

Flex wrote:
Treck wrote:That GCD is worth a lot more spent on WoG.

So don't use it on a GCD when you would use WoG?

Ill rephrase then.
That GCD is worth more using crusader strike to power up the incoming WoG
Image
User avatar
Treck
 
Posts: 2129
Joined: Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:10 am

Re: Patch update from mmo-champion

Postby Flex » Thu Jan 06, 2011 1:25 pm

Treck wrote:
Flex wrote:
Treck wrote:That GCD is worth a lot more spent on WoG.

So don't use it on a GCD when you would use WoG?

Ill rephrase then.
That GCD is worth more using crusader strike to power up the incoming WoG


So your rotation is CS>WoG repeat?
We live in a society where people born on third base constantly try to steal second, yet we expect people born with two strikes against them to hit a homerun on the first pitch.
User avatar
Flex
 
Posts: 7500
Joined: Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:29 am

PreviousNext

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest

cron

Who is online

In total there is 1 user online :: 0 registered, 0 hidden and 1 guest (based on users active over the past 5 minutes)
Most users ever online was 380 on Tue Oct 14, 2008 6:28 pm

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest