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[Shathus]

am I just incapable of reading?

Patch 4.0.1 should be the pre-Cata push. They also said that all players, no matter which expansion they have, will get the revamped old world but this blue confuses me

Patch 4.0.1 is slated to be released prior to Cataclysm and will not include the changes to the old world or any content exclusive to Cataclysm

So does the wording imply two game worlds or am I dumb?

4.0.1 will just just be a 'normal' patch with class and UI changes, then 4.0.x will be the actual Cataclysm event with Deathwing tearing Azeroth a new one, enabled goblins and worgen, etc is my guess.

[Grehn|Skipjack]

am I just incapable of reading?

Patch 4.0.1 should be the pre-Cata push. They also said that all players, no matter which expansion they have, will get the revamped old world but this blue confuses me

Patch 4.0.1 is slated to be released prior to Cataclysm and will not include the changes to the old world or any content exclusive to Cataclysm

So does the wording imply two game worlds or am I dumb?

Patch 4.0.1 will push probably a week or two before the release date. You'll get to run around and have happy fun times with new gear, spell, and talent systems. On the day Cata releases, they'll push another patch where the actual world changes are applied. Once that patch goes out, all the old world shit will be gone.

[Nikachelle]

Man, I don't remember 3.0 being "happy fun times". It was more like "holy fuck how do I tank?"

[Grehn|Skipjack]

Wouldn't know about that. When 3.0 hit I was on my Enh shaman abusing the new Feral Spirits.

[Chicken]

Man, I don't remember 3.0 being "happy fun times". It was more like "holy fuck how do I tank?"

Prot Paladins were definitely in a bit of rough spot in 3.0 at first. We were the only tanks without a full complement of our eventual threat moves, and it made our threat weak in comparison to them. I leveled heavily doing instances with guild groups when WotLK was fully released, and my threat didn't feel good until I hit level 75 and got ShoR.

[Flex]

One nice thing I noticed. NPCs who are either the target of a quest or who has a quest will always have a visible name to make them standout. Need to go kill 10 Moongrazer Bucks that are mixed in with Moongrazer Stags? The Bucks now easily standout with a red name plate.

Also I absolutely love that the hunter starting pets are little itty bitty babies.

[KysenMurrin]

Curiously though, the DK tanking Runeforges still give Defense when last I checked.

They now give 4% Armor and 2% Stamina instead of Def and Stam. At least, a pair of Nerubian Carapace forges does, I didn't look at Stoneskin Gargoyle (my DK unfortunately doesn't have a 2-hander, and I'd forgotten I needed one until I wrote this post...).

Wish I had more Glyphs to play with, unfortunately I didn't think to pull a load of mats out of the guild bank before copying my Scribe.

[Xfighter]

Man, I don't remember 3.0 being "happy fun times". It was more like "holy fuck how do I tank?"

Pft, on raid-damage heavy fights all that was needed was to judge light on the boss, and then AFK. It sure surprised me on our first raid day after the patch with me on offtank duty on Najentis.... quickly figured out what was causing the massive threat.. haha.

[Nikachelle]

I wasn't having threat issues. (And I wasn't judging light either.) It was the "I've just put new spells on my bars and I'm not really sure when/how to use them" which wasn't helped since I decided to do a whole bar clean-up and ended up moving most of my spells and confusing the shit out of myself.

[KysenMurrin]

Just to see how big of a difference there is, I did something that I've done on live a lot lately: I went into Utgarde Pinnacle Heroic solo. On the first trash pull I died in about 5 seconds.

The lag is pretty unbearable today.

Some damage numbers without Vengeance up:

-Judgement = 900 (Glyphed)
-Holy Wrath = 3000
-Crusader Strike = 900
-HotR = ~300 initial, ~1000 AoE (Glyphed) (Edit: 2P T10 bonus)
-Avenger's Shield = 4500-5000
-ShoR = 4500 (3HP), 2200 (2HP), 700 (1HP) (Glyphed)
-Hammer of Wrath = 2200

Holy Wrath is surprisingly good against single target. I expected Judgement to be stronger.

I am specced Wrath of the Lightbringer and Crusade.

The ShoR numbers I'm not sure on - 4500 is what I was seeing out in the field, but I had some 18k crits on a test dummy.


Edit: My Sense Undead is still active, even though it was removed.


Prot healing:
I can cast about the same number of Divine Lights from full mana as I can cast Holy Lights on live.
Holy Light, on the other hand - I can spam Holy Light on myself and my mana regens almost as fast as I spend it. The healing isn't that great, though, only 4k.

[PsiVen]

As I recall, this is how the 3.0 PTR went:

PTR goes up. Paladins missing key ingredients like several talents that were just added/discussed in beta.
2 weeks later, PTR patch goes in. Paladins still missing some important things, Ret not so much.
2 weeks later, 3.0 goes live. Paladins missing the same important things that were missing on the PTR.
4 weeks later, expansion goes live. Paladins finally get missing things, but still feel incomplete until 75. Those who value their sanity level Ret.

I guess this time we will see a slightly fresher build if they're committing to update both at once, which explains their confidence in being able to flip the switch on Cataclysm's release. The primary purposes of the PTR are to hunt down major problems that will trip up the launch switch, and tune the ICC buff so that 30000 people don't suddenly kill the Lich King on Heroic because they made it too easy.

[Nikachelle]

Only wimps leveled Ret.

[Thornir]

Only wimps leveled Ret.

Amen. Holy is so much more fun

[Nikachelle]

Only wimps leveled Ret.

Amen. Holy is so much more fun

lol well I leveled my paladin as prot and my priest as holy... does that count?

[Loras]

offtopic: EU not getting character copies available for a 2nd day in a row, and not getting any feedback or information about it (apart from a single "we will look into character copies") is getting annoying