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Postby Falibard » Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:55 am

Eroslight wrote:I honestly believe its JoL. Its either broken or god really does exist - either way....

DON'T SAY ANYTHING LEAST WE GET NERFED

Oh shit...

I forgot GC reads Maintankadin.....


Its totally NOT JoL.

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Oh yeah, you're right...did I say Judgment of Light? I meant Judgment of Justice. You should nerf Justice for sure.
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Postby Snake-Aes » Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:59 am

Falibard wrote:
Eroslight wrote:I honestly believe its JoL. Its either broken or god really does exist - either way....

DON'T SAY ANYTHING LEAST WE GET NERFED

Oh shit...

I forgot GC reads Maintankadin.....


Its totally NOT JoL.

P.S
Moderators.... I <3 you sorry for the sarcasm :D


Oh yeah, you're right...did I say Judgment of Light? I meant Judgment of Justice. You should nerf Justice for sure.
JoJ is hawt fur tankin'
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Postby DeadMilliken » Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:34 pm

Snake-Aes wrote:JoJ is hawt fur tankin'


Only if you have 2 or more ret.

Assuming equal buffs and gear...

Ret > Prot > Holy as far as typical judgment heal/mana procs go.
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Postby Nalyn » Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:47 pm

DeadMilliken wrote:
Snake-Aes wrote:JoJ is hawt fur tankin'


Only if you have 2 or more ret.

Assuming equal buffs and gear...

Ret > Prot > Holy as far as typical judgment heal/mana procs go.


I guess that might explain my agro issues when we blasted kara last night, then again, standing there in almost full S4 gear (minus weapon and shoulders) and the next closest dps wasn't even in full purples.

Assuming this doesn't get changed, it's going to mean ret is going to want to avoid judging light, and that prot is going to want to put it up instead.
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Postby Kayoto » Thu Oct 16, 2008 1:15 pm

I almost out-threated the main warrior tank on Felmyst while just trying to deal damage in tank gear with RF on (I had to hold back, and I didn't even have to use Avenging Wrath).

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Postby knaughty » Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:43 pm

My healing numbers from 5/6 Sunwell.

JoL is 81% effective healing, and as much healing as a resto-shaman.

Code: Select all
Name       Spell                        Effective Heal   Overheal    Total Heal
Knaughty   Improved Leader of the Pack   146,741          65,758      212,499
Knaughty   Judgement of Light            4,191,289        949,489     5,140,778
Knaughty   Total                         4,338,030        1,015,247   5,353,277


Code: Select all
Name                 Effective Heal   Overheal   Total Heal
Tree                   1,045,211   3,780,275   4,825,486
Tree                   1,520,566   3,086,823   4,607,389
Disc                   3,257,580   1,840,970   5,098,550
Holy priest            3,436,139   3,786,139   7,222,278
Holy Priest            3,551,835   4,545,647   8,097,482
Shaman                 4,282,885   3,129,831   7,412,716
Holy pally             4,312,699   2,010,491   6,323,190
PROT PALLY!            4,338,030   1,015,247   5,353,277
Shaman                 4,389,008   3,082,492   7,471,500
Shaman                 5,335,314   3,399,833   8,735,147


I think we have a culprit for the "6k TPS peak". Getting the numbers pulled out for Felmyst in particular.

I outhealed everyone but two resto shaman in Twins-level resto gear, and beat one of them.

With RF up. :shock:

We have a culprit.
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Postby Seraphia » Thu Oct 16, 2008 4:30 pm

Petrus wrote:In the lengthy latest post on Ret from Blizzard, they noted this little tidbit:

We also fixed a bug with Seal and Judgement of Light that could sometimes result in too much healing.


I have to assume that's affecting us, but is it still there and will it continue to be there until the expansion?



On Live, Seal/Judge of Light are healing for half their listed tooltip values. :cry:
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Postby Makaijin » Thu Oct 16, 2008 5:51 pm

I don't understand how JoL is generating the extreme threat, unless the JoL healing procs from other players counts as your own threat as well?
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Postby knaughty » Thu Oct 16, 2008 6:01 pm

Makaijin wrote:I don't understand how JoL is generating the extreme threat, unless the JoL healing procs from other players counts as your own threat as well?


All healers get the threat prom their "remote" heals now, as well as direct. EG: Priest PoM = priest threat, not tank.

My average JoL proc was 585 healing, about 800 threat with RF up.

Which is "hundreds" of TPS, per DPS, at fights with substantial raid-wide damage.

I'll have a parse later today for my JoL threat at Felmyst - but it was four-figures, just from JoL.
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Postby Non » Thu Oct 16, 2008 6:26 pm

Noticed the same thing on RoS last night. On phase 2 to help with the dmg from dmg I used JoL. After a few sec 1k heals was happening all around me. With only normal hits and JoL every cd I had 1700+tps. Ended with 300k healing on phase2.
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Postby Fafa » Thu Oct 16, 2008 7:45 pm

confirm jol is the cause

jow im 2.2ish, jol 4.5-5.5k
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Postby knaughty » Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:05 pm

Finally managed to parse the Felmyst log from Wednesday.

JoL was 3200 TPS Sustained over the course of two ground phases.

JoL healed for 287k effective over the fight, the vast majority of the TPS occurs during ground phase when melee are beating on Felmyst. Basically all of it.

Ground phases are 1 minute each, we did two ground phases, died on landing second time.

JoL was doing 3,200 TPS sustained :shock:
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Postby caboom » Fri Oct 17, 2008 12:59 am

Knaughty wrote:Finally managed to parse the Felmyst log from Wednesday.

JoL was 3200 TPS Sustained over the course of two ground phases.

JoL healed for 287k effective over the fight, the vast majority of the TPS occurs during ground phase when melee are beating on Felmyst. Basically all of it.

Ground phases are 1 minute each, we did two ground phases, died on landing second time.

JoL was doing 3,200 TPS sustained :shock:


RL : What does the threat meter say about the prot pally's TPS?
X : IT'S OVER 9000!!!??!!1
RL : WHAT ?!1 9000?!?!!?!?
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Postby Petrus » Fri Oct 17, 2008 1:40 am

Yeah, even with gear that isn't quite as good as some of yours I did crazy well with JoL up. When I was MTing Gruul, the melee said that they could stand in cave-ins and I stayed a good 50k threat ahead of the feral OT and warglaive rogue... and I led the healing meters by a lot.
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Postby Angelus » Fri Oct 17, 2008 1:46 am

I'm going to assume the only way this is possible is if the heals caused by JoL are not affected by the threat modifier on healing spells.

Heals usually only cause .5 threat for each point healed. Paladin heals only cause .25 threat per point healed. Unless this has changed? It's been a while since I actively looked it up, but this was pretty well accepted.

So from what I can figure from the numbers being posted here, we're getting 1 threat for each point healed and then that's further multiplied by RF?
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