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Re: Relationships

Postby Io.Draco » Wed May 28, 2014 12:14 pm

Sabindeus wrote:I feel like most guys would kill to have the problem you're describing. Not that it isn't a real problem, but I still want to subscribe to your newsletter ;P


My problem is that I am not just interested in a purely sexual relationship, please don't take that as me saying I have it easy getting it because I don't ( not that I've ever tried for just a sexual relationship but I do have problems approaching women, although most of the time I don't give a shit to ).

EDIT: Unsurprisingly my date didn't show up, oh well. NEXT
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Re: Relationships

Postby Fivelives » Thu May 29, 2014 10:58 pm

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Re: Relationships

Postby Amirya » Fri May 30, 2014 9:56 am

Fivelives wrote:https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/readingrainbow/bring-reading-rainbow-back-for-every-child-everywh

You should back this.

2nd.

I had to wait until today (pay day) before I could donate, and that's on my to-do in an hour when I go to break.

Edit: And...donated.
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Re: Relationships

Postby Fridmarr » Fri May 30, 2014 10:22 am

NPR did an interview with Levar the other day, it was interesting. I'm sure it's available on their website if anyone is interested.
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Re: Relationships

Postby Arnock » Fri May 30, 2014 5:03 pm

Fivelives wrote:https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/readingrainbow/bring-reading-rainbow-back-for-every-child-everywh

You should back this.



I used to love watching that show on PBS as a kid, but if his goal is to help children of low-income families learn to read, isn't it a little counter-intuitive to charge them a subscription fee?
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Re: Relationships

Postby Fivelives » Sat May 31, 2014 4:20 am

Arnock wrote:
Fivelives wrote:https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/readingrainbow/bring-reading-rainbow-back-for-every-child-everywh

You should back this.



I used to love watching that show on PBS as a kid, but if his goal is to help children of low-income families learn to read, isn't it a little counter-intuitive to charge them a subscription fee?


It's not just low income families, it's every child everywhere. And he's planning on putting it in schools, too. So even the lowest of low income families would have free access to it by sending their kids to school.

Besides, you can't expect the children's book writers to write their books for free, or the website host to give free hosting, or anything else. There's overhead that has to be taken into consideration, and the kickstarter money won't last forever.

I think LeVar should go on Shark Tank and get the sharks in on this, too.
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Re: Relationships

Postby Ironshield » Sun Jun 01, 2014 1:49 am

Arnock wrote:
Fivelives wrote:https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/readingrainbow/bring-reading-rainbow-back-for-every-child-everywh

You should back this.



I used to love watching that show on PBS as a kid, but if his goal is to help children of low-income families learn to read, isn't it a little counter-intuitive to charge them a subscription fee?

This is exactly what I was thinking. Free access for 7500 schools? That's barely 10% of AMERICAN elementary schools... every child everywhere is a bjt of a stretch. Not to say this isn't a good thing in itself, but the fine print does kind of change the flavour of the headline...
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Re: Relationships

Postby Fivelives » Sun Jun 01, 2014 3:09 am

You have to set realistic goals if you ever want to achieve, or surpass, them. 7500 schools is better than 0 schools, and it costs a lot of fucking money. I think you're failing to see that here, and expecting people to essentially give away their livelihoods to this program.

Authors need to be paid.
Servers need to be bought.
People need to be paid to recruit schools into the program.
Licenses to material need to be bought.
The rest of the staff needs to be paid.

I'm sure there's more than that that costs money, but you get the drift. Either that or you're being purposefully obtuse in an attempt to troll the thread. If that's not the case, pick any charity you want (anything designated as a 501(c)(3) organization by the IRS) and you can take a look at their accounting and recordkeeping to find out exactly where the money goes. Charities are expensive beasts, to say the least.
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Re: Relationships

Postby Arnock » Mon Jun 02, 2014 7:05 pm

I guess the comparison would be similar to the original show, which was accessible to anyone with a TV for free, and that was paid for by a combination of private donations (go go PBS pledge month), public funding, and corporate sponsorships. I'm well aware that app development and web hosting all cost money, but it's not completely inconceivable that they could run it in a way that would make it more available to those who need it most.
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Re: Relationships

Postby Fivelives » Mon Jun 02, 2014 7:58 pm

They probably could. But this model is proven to work and why go with an unproven model if there's a risk of failure?

The 6 month subscription plan is $30. $0.16 cents per day for up to 5 people. That really isn't much, especially since currently they're a subsidiary of a for-profit company. If/when they make the switch to a non-profit or 501(c)(3) company their books will be open and you'll be able to see exactly where the money is going.

The main benefit will be having it freely available in class, rather than the premium subscriptions at home.
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Re: Relationships

Postby Fivelives » Fri Jun 06, 2014 8:44 pm

So I'm flying Spirit Airlines to Minnesota next Friday. I'm planning a move to Minneapolis (one of the suburbs actually), and need to scout out places to live and stuff.

From the yelp reviews on Spirit Airlines, I'll be lucky to survive the trip. But since all of the reviewers obviously survived theirs, well, I take them with a grain of salt. I don't think I've heard anything about Spirit in the news - does anyone have any experiences with them they'd be willing to share? Forewarned is forearmed.
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Re: Relationships

Postby Ironshield » Sat Jun 07, 2014 2:34 am

Fivelives wrote:You have to set realistic goals if you ever want to achieve, or surpass, them. 7500 schools is better than 0 schools, and it costs a lot of fucking money. I think you're failing to see that here, and expecting people to essentially give away their livelihoods to this program.

Authors need to be paid.
Servers need to be bought.
People need to be paid to recruit schools into the program.
Licenses to material need to be bought.
The rest of the staff needs to be paid.

I'm sure there's more than that that costs money, but you get the drift. Either that or you're being purposefully obtuse in an attempt to troll the thread. If that's not the case, pick any charity you want (anything designated as a 501(c)(3) organization by the IRS) and you can take a look at their accounting and recordkeeping to find out exactly where the money goes. Charities are expensive beasts, to say the least.

I agree entirely with all that and accept that these things cost money etc... but my point was that the headline is Reading Rainbow for EVERY CHILD... EVERYWHERE. This is repeated in numerous places and they're colouring in children around the world. They also want this to be FREE to those most in need, OK that seems fair, but they've put a number on it. 7500 schools... hold on that seems low... their infographic says 1 in 4 kids in America are illiterate and this is what they want to fix, awesome but 7500 schools is well short of meeting the 25% target they imply, and still this is only in the US. Include every child... everyWHERE, even just english speaking everywhere and the free stuff doesn't seem to meet the demand.

I'm not trying to claim I know a better idea of how to do what they are doing, but the message sounds different to the reality in the fine print.
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Re: Relationships

Postby Fivelives » Sat Jun 07, 2014 6:26 am

If you think of their goal like a vision statement it becomes a lot easier to reconcile the reality with the ideal.

The end goal is to get RR to every child everyWHERE, but it's gotta start somewhere. And right now, that starting line is Kickstarter. They've already got the app out, but this initiative is to get it into schools, and give kids free access to it.

One of the best pieces of life advice I ever got was this: set small goals and surpass them. That's what this seems to be doing.
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Re: Relationships

Postby Arnock » Sat Jun 07, 2014 1:07 pm

Fivelives wrote:So I'm flying Spirit Airlines to Minnesota next Friday. I'm planning a move to Minneapolis (one of the suburbs actually), and need to scout out places to live and stuff.

From the yelp reviews on Spirit Airlines, I'll be lucky to survive the trip. But since all of the reviewers obviously survived theirs, well, I take them with a grain of salt. I don't think I've heard anything about Spirit in the news - does anyone have any experiences with them they'd be willing to share? Forewarned is forearmed.



I've flown with Spirit a few times, and don't have any complaints, but it's been a few years as well. Though I have heard that they've recently begun nickel and diming their passengers with a lot of hidden fees.
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Re: Relationships

Postby Amirya » Sat Jun 07, 2014 6:57 pm

Ironshield wrote:I agree entirely with all that and accept that these things cost money etc... but my point was that the headline is Reading Rainbow for EVERY CHILD... EVERYWHERE. This is repeated in numerous places and they're colouring in children around the world. They also want this to be FREE to those most in need, OK that seems fair, but they've put a number on it. 7500 schools... hold on that seems low... their infographic says 1 in 4 kids in America are illiterate and this is what they want to fix, awesome but 7500 schools is well short of meeting the 25% target they imply, and still this is only in the US. Include every child... everyWHERE, even just english speaking everywhere and the free stuff doesn't seem to meet the demand.

I'm not trying to claim I know a better idea of how to do what they are doing, but the message sounds different to the reality in the fine print.


RR Kickstarter is, at this very moment, at $3.5 million of the $5 million stretch goal we backers are working on. But the problem we're running into is people with your mindset. "Oh, it won't be instantly free right out the door to everyone, everywhere? NOPE." As Fivelives said, we have to start somewhere. The ultimate goal, yes, is every child, everywhere.

You're not paying attention to the pledging page (and if you don't believe in LeVar Burton's vision, why would you?). The goal is 7500 schools in need - this is up from the original goal of 1500. In addition, 9 backers have pledged $5000 to adopt a school that includes 20 classes getting a year long free subscription, and 8 backers have pledged $10,000, which not only includes adopting a school that includes 20 of the year long subscriptions, but a school assembly with Mr Burton.

Right now, this is an abstract. Mr Burton put his own money in for the RR licensing, and the initial app creations. But it's hardly fair to demand that he shoulder the whole burden financially - he's already putting in his time to make update videos for the backers, to do interviews; he'll be putting in more time to autograph all of the photos and books, to have picnics and dinners, he's managed to bring Brent Spiner on board as a dinner host (in the $10k dinner package). I expect, when it gets out the door and actually starts being, we'll see more money because then we will be able to see the effects, instead of just visualizing them.

(Also, I suspect there are a lot of backers like me - no kids, but who believe in Mr Burton's vision. I gave my year subscription away to a colleague whose 6 year old daughter is a huge book lover.)

Edit: On reread, the first paragraph sounds like I'm blaming you, but I'm not. Just to be clear. :)
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