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Postby Vesper » Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:52 am

Ever since I've started instancing on my paladin, allll my old bard pulling habits have been returning in spades. My mental processes have gone from "Oh, there's a pat there, time to wait" to "Oh, there's a pat there. Sweet! Maybe if I pull now it'll aggro 3 other groups!" Don't get me wrong -- if I was overgeared for something, my feral was all about sloppy pulls, but now it seems to be almost impossible to escape. I cavalierly toss my shield into whatever paths within a mile or so.

I need help! Our ae dps isn't much better. I was with 2 mages and a warlock last night, and we pulled one of the easier rooms in regular Botanica, and they all clocked around 4-6k dps. One of the mages died in the process, but said it was "totally worth it." The warlock was grumpy that the mobs weren't alive long enough for his seed to beat the mages in dps and said (in spite of the mage dying) that he "should have hellfired."

(I will say I still think that tanking BM as a rage tank is much easier -- with swipe, I never had to worry about low mana, just a sore wrist.)

In honor of paladin tanking, I wanted to bring back this infamous Train Index by Club Fu of EQ. There's a bit of a disconnect, but the sentiment is the same.


(compiled by Breathe/Flitterbick, proud member of the Club Fu guild on Bristlebane )

Trains in EverQuest are an inevitable occurance. Yet despite the frequency of trains, little effort has been expended towards the scientific goal of rating these oft-maligned forces of nature.

Until now . . .

NOTE - For your train to be valid for rating under the CFTI, it must be an UNPLANNED train. While any idiot can maliciously cause a train if they set their mind to it, TRUE training comes from the heart. It is the wondrous alignment of lag, carelessness, and sheer dumb luck that coalesces into a living, breathing example of Chaos Theory at its finest. Spontaneity is your goal, and this is defeated by premeditation or intentional efforts to increase your CFTI once you realize your innocent little pull has mutated into the most feared of all events . . . a train.

This index would not have been possible without the dedicated, nay FANATIC efforts of the many pullers within Club Fu and the many suggestions from others across all servers. I would thank you individually, but I'm too busy looting my corpse.

You are the puller. -10 pts
Group does not know you are the puller. +15 pts
Group does not know you are pulling. +10 pts
Group deliberately misled into thinking you are NOT pulling. +50 pts
Did you pull while group members were AFK? +5 pts per AFK member
Was it the Enchanter or Cleric? +10 pt bonus

Did you shout a warning to the zone before the train hit? -20 pts
Did you shout a warning to the zone after the train hit? +30 pts
Did you claim, after the train, that you DID shout a warning before the train, even though you didn't? +40 pts
Did you warn your group a train was coming? -10 pts
Was it cryptic? ("Ummm...", "OMG", "3 inc I think", "may be an add", etc) +10 pts
Did you mislead your group into thinking a train was NOT coming? +20 pts

Number of mobs? +10 pts per mob above four
Did any of the mobs summon? +10 pts
Did any of the mobs HT/DT? +10 pts
Did they HT/DT someone else? +20 pts
Was it the bard? +30 pts
Did your train contain any "named" mobs or rare spawns? +30 pts
Did your train contain any Deities? (NOTE - Claiming you saw God during the training does not count) +40 pts
Did your train contain representatives of more than 50% of all mob types in that zone? +25 pts

WTH? from witnesses. +5 pts each
WTF? from witnesses. +10 pts each
OMG! from witnesses. +5 pts each
OMFG! from witnesses. +10 pts each
Did you force any Monks/SK's/Necros to FD? +5 pts each
Did you force any Clerics to DA? +10 pts each

Did you survive your own train? +50 pts
Did you self-inflict damage and/or zone to fake your own death in order to soften incoming accusations? +20 pts
Survivors in group who did not use FD or zone to evade death. -30 pts each

Did you claim responsibility for your train? -10 pts
Regret it? -50 pts
Brag about it? +50 pts
Blame lag? +10 pts
Blame the bard? +10 pts
Did they buy it? +30 pts

No confirmed deaths. -200 pts
Confirmed deaths. +20 pts per death
Were any deaths from classes that have Feign Death (MNK, SHD, NEC)? +20 pts each
Were any victims looting their corpses from a previous death when your train hit? +50 pts

Number of insulting/accusatory tells from train victims/witnesses. +10 pts each
Number of congratulatory tells from Monks, SK's, Rangers or other pullers. +20 pts each
Number of tells from victims rendered incoherent by rage. +25 pts each

Petitioned? +20 pts
Did you OOC/shout to the zone that trains in EQ "are a fact of life" or other similar rationalization? +10 pts
NOW were you petitioned? +40 pts
Did any victims/groupmembers quit EQ for the night? +30 pts each
Quit EQ, period? +100 pts

Guides killed? +40 pts each
GM's killed? +60 pts each
Verant/GM-Admins killed? x2 Multiplier
Did recovery from your train require Verant CS representatives to summon corpses/reset spawns? +50 pts

Total group wipeout. +50 pts per group
Total raid wipeout. x1.5 Multiplier
Did you ruin an RP event? +60 pts
Was it a wedding? +100 pts
Was it YOUR wedding? +200 pts
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Postby Nemi » Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:34 pm

KING TO SH? yes i did that once. mmm lguk my all time fav
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Postby Beltaine » Fri Feb 15, 2008 7:29 am

Oh the days of public dungeons. :)
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Postby Euphoria » Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:53 am

I killed a GM on Time RZ once.

Used to pull VS to the front of KC and watch him beat the crap out of people too...I was a dick in EQ.

However, the hands down BEST trains as a cleric were the ones where I'd pull every mob I could get my grubby little hands on Plane of Valor and train every camp on the way back to the stone. Uberfast horses and DA ftw there.

Being in the best guild on the server conferred some privileges in EQ, still didn't make it right though.
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Postby Barathorn » Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:57 am




Gnomes FTW tbh.
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Postby Vesper » Fri Feb 15, 2008 12:36 pm

Dragon conga line in WW ftw!
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Postby Kitria » Fri Feb 15, 2008 4:28 pm

Birds to FRo in pofire....

Most impressive train of all time.
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Postby Kaedyn » Fri Feb 15, 2008 5:40 pm

LOL never played the game, but I found the calculations hilarious :D
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Postby sanctifico » Fri Feb 15, 2008 5:59 pm

I fail a failtraining.

Seriously i pull like 4-5 times as much as i mean too (Heroic Ramparts for example) yet i never seem to cause wipes.
I do however make our Disc Priest cry, and our Shamans yawn, when doing 5mans.

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Postby Vesper » Sat Feb 16, 2008 1:10 am

Kitria wrote:Birds to FRo in pofire....

Most impressive train of all time.

I had a couple days where I somehow thought passing the birds on the left would be a great idea...

One of the most notorious trains on our server was "Velks to zone!" back when eeeeeveryone was there. I don't recall the GMs ever having to reset spawns -- aside from some regularly buggy zones, like PoEarth or PoHate -- from a train otherwise.
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Postby Rocketz » Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:05 am


I pulled without warning, bubbled and killed all my buddies, then survived. What do I win?
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Postby Xinner » Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:10 am

Once after clearing the opera in Kara I pulled half of the mobs in the audience and bubble hearthed. Good times...
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Postby Dazhbog » Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:25 pm

Plane of Sky

That is all.
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Postby Kitria » Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:00 pm

Dazhbog wrote:Plane of Sky

That is all.

Boobie Taunt!
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Postby Dazhbog » Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:41 pm

First off, because it HAD to be done: Fansy the Famous Bard

Second, I remember an old document detailing a bugged PoFear, with Cazic randomly DTing people and massive trains running about one shotting raids attempting recoveries. Good times.
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