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Postby Snake-Aes » Fri Dec 27, 2013 8:33 pm

...what was that?



I mean, I liked it. But what was that?
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Re: So, I just saw the Hobbit 2...

Postby Darielle » Sat Dec 28, 2013 12:56 am

It was the promise of Evangeline Lily being roped into a threesome with another Elf and a Dwarf.
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Re: So, I just saw the Hobbit 2...

Postby Arnock » Sat Dec 28, 2013 1:58 am

Snake-Aes wrote:...what was that?



I mean, I liked it. But what was that?



Yeah...


I'm still not quite sure what to make of them, myself.

I did enjoy the movies (or at least I'm telling myself that I did) but it's all just so different from either the LOTR films, or the Hobbit book..


I'm starting to think, now, that Peter Jackson just has a ridiculous and over-the-top filmmaking style, but because of the sheer size of LotR, he wasn't able to really fit a lot of that in. But with the hobbit, he's stretching a single book into three films and can play with it a lot more.
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Re: So, I just saw the Hobbit 2...

Postby Paxen » Sat Dec 28, 2013 8:32 am

Arnock wrote:I'm starting to think, now, that Peter Jackson just has a ridiculous and over-the-top filmmaking style, but because of the sheer size of LotR, he wasn't able to really fit a lot of that in. But with the hobbit, he's stretching a single book into three films and can play with it a lot more.


Braindead kinda gave it away. Good thing he hasn't lost it.

I think the movie was awesome for Smaug alone. Also for the dwarves fighting. (The dwarves fighting Smaug was maybe a leeeeetle bit too much.)
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Re: So, I just saw the Hobbit 2...

Postby Snake-Aes » Sat Dec 28, 2013 9:53 am

Dwarves vs Smaug made me cringe as a gamer. I was about to go up and say "Oh hell no, you don't attack a red dragon with fire damage!" :p

I think I discovered why I was so bothered. The Hobbit movies only make sense if they're detached from the rest of the setting, movies and books. As a standalone piece it's overall good.
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Re: So, I just saw the Hobbit 2...

Postby Paxen » Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:56 am

Snake-Aes wrote:Dwarves vs Smaug made me cringe as a gamer. I was about to go up and say "Oh hell no, you don't attack a red dragon with fire damage!" :p


I'm giving Thorin the benefit of the doubt and assume that his plan was that the massive weight of rapidly cooling gold was what was going to capture Smaug.

I mean, he even used Smaug to light the forges!
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Re: So, I just saw the Hobbit 2...

Postby Brekkie » Sat Dec 28, 2013 3:12 pm

Gold doesn't cool rapidly enough for that to make sense. It was just a stupid, nonsensical addition because the suits wanted "MOAR 3D CGI BATTLEZ, BECAUSE $$$$!!1!1"
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Re: So, I just saw the Hobbit 2...

Postby Paxen » Sat Dec 28, 2013 7:54 pm

It's still damn heavy.
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Re: So, I just saw the Hobbit 2...

Postby Era » Sun Dec 29, 2013 6:13 am

Disliked the battle, but loved the scene with Bilbo and Smaug. I was most worried that they'd mess up the portrayal of Smaug, but I feel like they did a great job with that at least.
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Re: So, I just saw the Hobbit 2...

Postby Snake-Aes » Sun Dec 29, 2013 7:53 am

Era wrote:Disliked the battle, but loved the scene with Bilbo and Smaug. I was most worried that they'd mess up the portrayal of Smaug, but I feel like they did a great job with that at least.

"Sleeping nonstop for 60 years" probably does justify a bout of ADHD :p
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Re: So, I just saw the Hobbit 2...

Postby Darielle » Sun Dec 29, 2013 4:35 pm

I'm starting to think, now, that Peter Jackson just has a ridiculous and over-the-top filmmaking style, but because of the sheer size of LotR, he wasn't able to really fit a lot of that in. But with the hobbit, he's stretching a single book into three films and can play with it a lot more.


It's a different Peter Jackson to the one that made the LotR series.

Consider that the entire intro - Dwarves running from Orcs, the Bear guy, horses, abandoning horses makes no damn sense and adds absolutely nothing. The movie could be like 30 minutes shorter and be exactly the same.
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Re: So, I just saw the Hobbit 2...

Postby samsara » Mon Dec 30, 2013 5:37 am

havn't seen the 2nd part as cinemas flooded with people , tbh. i hate people , they are loud, whispering, standing up , eating popcorn when mine is empty , you know , peoples stuff :) but i'm looking forward to see it in the shiny new 48frames imax 3d format (was it correct?)

I have no problem with movie covering a book, when i can recall thilling moments from the book in the movies, if jackson thinks some sidestories makes the movie better, why not, i like those epic movies, even if they are a bit nonrealistic, but speaking of realism in a storry where dwarfes trying to beat up a big bad angry dragon isn't.. well... that good.

At least i like a bloated move with pretty pictures , where the storrytelling is good much more then cut down, castrated movies like eragon for example, where the book have a huge potential but the movie was plain crap.. humans looked like humans, elves looked like humans, dwarfs looked like humans (ok, they were not mentioned as dwarfs in the movie) , urgals where looking like dirty humans (oh, they probably lost the horns somewhere on the set).


Sure the movie could maybe 30 mins shorter but to be honest :) i like dwarfs running away from orcs (even on battlegrounds in wow) , and horses (mlp <3), and for sure bears are great

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so now that i know there are bears and horses and dwars running from orcs i may can handle "people(tm)" and will go to the cinema next week XD
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Re: So, I just saw the Hobbit 2...

Postby Fridmarr » Mon Dec 30, 2013 9:47 am

I liked the movie...but you'll find that not only are there side stories, but some significant events were minimized (Beorn) and others heavily changed. The movie was entertaining, but it didn't improve on the book with these additions.

The love triangle was forced and awkward, legolas dancing on the heads of dwarves was pretty cheesy, and the dragon chasing the dwarves was almost comical. Some other additions were handled quite a bit better, but it's hard to argue that those particular major elements made the movie better than not having them.
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Re: So, I just saw the Hobbit 2...

Postby Arnock » Mon Dec 30, 2013 4:04 pm

Darielle wrote:
I'm starting to think, now, that Peter Jackson just has a ridiculous and over-the-top filmmaking style, but because of the sheer size of LotR, he wasn't able to really fit a lot of that in. But with the hobbit, he's stretching a single book into three films and can play with it a lot more.


It's a different Peter Jackson to the one that made the LotR series.

Consider that the entire intro - Dwarves running from Orcs, the Bear guy, horses, abandoning horses makes no damn sense and adds absolutely nothing. The movie could be like 30 minutes shorter and be exactly the same.



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Re: So, I just saw the Hobbit 2...

Postby Amirya » Tue Dec 31, 2013 10:32 am

I believe that was wishful thinking.

My understanding is that the LotR movies were pretty faithful to the books, while the Hobbit 2 was a parody.

However, as always, I must emphasize I've never read any of Tolkien's works, so I can't confirm or deny.
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