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Re: Anyone play MTG?

Postby Kai » Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:23 am

the mtgo client just makes me cry. the worst part is that they reworked it and the new one is even worse. cards randomly resize, HP and cards in hand numbers moved more to the side and made super small. Guess I am just used to the old one, but I don't know anyone that has anything good to say about the new one.

there's a few decent streams on twitch. the best probably being michael jacob (google for darkestmage twitch), streaming an average of 8h per day or so (yep, crackhead), playing various constructed formats and drafts/sealeds. although if you are not somewhat up to date, could be problematic following that. the coverage from the big tournaments is also quite good now, at least not comparable to what it was 10 years ago. lots of stuff on youtube, under 'magicprotour' I believe.
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Re: Anyone play MTG?

Postby Kai » Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:24 am

the mtgo client just makes me cry. the worst part is that they reworked it and the new one is even worse. cards randomly resize, HP and cards in hand numbers moved more to the side and made super small. Guess I am just used to the old one, but I don't know anyone that has anything good to say about the new one.

there's a few decent streams on twitch. the best probably being michael jacob (google for darkestmage twitch), streaming an average of 8h per day or so (yep, crackhead), playing various constructed formats and drafts/sealeds. although if you are not somewhat up to date, could be problematic following that. the coverage from the big tournaments is also quite good now, at least not comparable to what it was 10 years ago. lots of stuff on youtube, under 'magicprotour' I believe.
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Re: Anyone play MTG?

Postby Sabindeus » Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:09 pm

Barathorn wrote:
Erendis wrote:I started playing again recently. Built a Red/Blue control deck on the cheap. I think the Sulfur Falls and Steam Vents are my most expensive cards.


Entirely viable but not tier 1 [yet :)]. I have a soft spot for Red/Blue, won a lot of games playing counterhammer in the late 90's.

Counterflux is strong currently, even with Cavern of Souls and creatures being a big thing.


Oh thank god. Back in the day (like high school) I ran a red/blue counterburn deck and I loved it to bits. Nowadays that seems really difficult to pull off. Since I'm not intimately familiar with all the cards available in Standard, what stuff would you recommend for building that kind of deck nowadays?
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Re: Anyone play MTG?

Postby Barathorn » Wed Mar 27, 2013 5:01 am

Sab,

I have seen this post and haven't forgotten about you, I will post a budget list and a money doesn't matter list when possible!

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Re: Anyone play MTG?

Postby Barathorn » Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:51 am

Funtimes Budget FNM List.

4 Pillar of Flame
4 Searing Spear
3 Izzet Charm
3 Think Twice
2 Rolling Temblor
2 Unsummon
4 Syncopate
2 Dissipate
1 Devils Play
1 Runechanters Pike

1 Niv-Mizzit Dracogenius
2 Izzet Staticaster
2 Hypersonic Dragon
4 Auger of Bolas

4 Izzet Guildgate
11 Mountain
10 Island

Tier 2-3 Competitive

4 Snapcaster Mage
3 Auger of Bolas
4 Boras Reckoner
2 Thundermaw Hellkite

4 Pillar of Flame
4 Searing Spear
2 Izzet Charm
2 Bonfire of the Damned
4 Think Twice
3 Syncopate
1 Dissipate
1 Counterflux
1 Devils Play

4 Steam Vents
4 Sulphur Cliffs
2 Isolated Lighthouse
1 Cavern of Souls
7 Mountains
7 Islands
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Re: Anyone play MTG?

Postby Sabindeus » Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:58 am

Comparing your lists to the deck I built, it looks like I'm using shitty shitty counterspells and too many of them. And card draw is more necessary than I ever pegged it. Also I am bad at creatures. :x

thanks dude I appreciate it!!
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Re: Anyone play MTG?

Postby Sabindeus » Thu Mar 28, 2013 11:02 am

QUestion: I don't understand Counterflux exactly... why is it good?
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Re: Anyone play MTG?

Postby Alacia » Tue Apr 02, 2013 3:02 am

Sabindeus wrote:QUestion: I don't understand Counterflux exactly... why is it good?

In Standard, it's pretty much just an uncounterable counterspell. The Overload might have some application in other formats (such as against Storm), but there's generally better alternatives there.
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Re: Anyone play MTG?

Postby Passionario » Tue Apr 02, 2013 3:46 am

Sabindeus wrote:QUestion: I don't understand Counterflux exactly... why is it good?


It's a Last Word that costs 3 mana. What's not to like?
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Re: Anyone play MTG?

Postby Barathorn » Tue Apr 02, 2013 5:43 am

Sabindeus wrote:Comparing your lists to the deck I built, it looks like I'm using shitty shitty counterspells and too many of them. And card draw is more necessary than I ever pegged it. Also I am bad at creatures. :x

thanks dude I appreciate it!!


No worries, I don't think either list is amazing but should be ok for funtimes at an average competitive level [FNM or local store event] but I wouldn't take them to a GP Trial or anything of that level or above.

We have a PTQ and a WMCQ this coming weekend. Our entire team has no idea what to play that we enjoy. It is looking like most are playing Reanimator Junk or Bant Hexproof. The only other option is Esper Control which I don't really want to play.

This is what I think I am going to sleeve up.

4 x Stromkirk Noble
4 x Rakdos Cackler
4 X Burning Tree Emmissary
4 x Lightning Mauler
4 x Flinthoof Boar
4 x Boros Reckoner
4 x Hellrider
3 x Ghor Clan Rampager

4 Searing Spear
4 Brimstone Volley

4 Stomping Ground
4 Rootbound Crag
13 Mountain

Very aggressive.
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Re: Anyone play MTG?

Postby Invisusira » Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:23 am

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Sabindeus wrote:QUestion: I don't understand Counterflux exactly... why is it good?

In Standard, it's pretty much just an uncounterable counterspell. The Overload might have some application in other formats (such as against Storm), but there's generally better alternatives there.

Whoa. I may need that for my deck.
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Re: Anyone play MTG?

Postby Sabindeus » Tue Apr 02, 2013 2:39 pm

Alacia wrote:
Sabindeus wrote:QUestion: I don't understand Counterflux exactly... why is it good?

In Standard, it's pretty much just an uncounterable counterspell. The Overload might have some application in other formats (such as against Storm), but there's generally better alternatives there.


uncounterable counterspell sounds like a thing you'd sideboard, not maindeck....
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Re: Anyone play MTG?

Postby Skye1013 » Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:26 pm

It's pretty much the same cost as a non-counterable counterspell (UUR instead of UU1) so why not?
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Re: Anyone play MTG?

Postby Kai » Wed Apr 03, 2013 2:41 am

counterspell doesn't exist any more. even mana leak was deemed 'too powerful' for STD. all you have are 3 mana counters and if you are UR, why run cancel over counterflux, if you got the latter?
it's not even a great sideboard card vs other blue decks, you'd much rather board in dispel as you're mainly fightning over sphinx revelation these days and countering opponents or protecting yours for just one mana is great.
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Re: Anyone play MTG?

Postby Barathorn » Wed Apr 03, 2013 5:07 am

Given the choice [and metagame allowing me to] I would run 4 Syncopate and 4 Dissipate as it attempts to stop the Junk Reanimator decks but eventually they get a Cavern and make a Craterhoof anyway or make an early Lox Smiter so you have to look at your options.

Counterflux is great for counterspell battles and for stopping the 2nd - 3rd Sphinxes Revelation but its best use is making sure in any long game that your key spell resolves, be it a Devils Play, Sphinxes or Psychic Spiral.

As I said I don't think the U/R decks are overly competitive but Counterflux is definately a competitive card that will come into its own when Cavern of Souls rotates out.

I do agree with Kai though that Dispel is a really good card, it just doesn't feel relavent currently in most matches other than an Esper Mirror.
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Re: Anyone play MTG?

Postby Sabindeus » Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:46 am

Cool, good arguments, thanks guys.

My real aversion is to multi-colored cards as I'm not used to the sheer excess of dual-lands that we have nowadays...
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Re: Anyone play MTG?

Postby Zonzede » Sat Apr 06, 2013 2:06 am

Sweet, a reason to come back to this forum.
Heading to a 2k event this morning. Not much a fan of standard right now, but wish me luck.
Anybody play commander heavily? It's really popular round me, most folks I know have upwards of 3 or 4 decks for it.
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Re: Anyone play MTG?

Postby Barathorn » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:51 pm

Lost my last 2 matches to drop out of contention in Saturdays PTQ, the G/R aggro deck did really well but my last two matches were just disappointing and I went from 5-1 and being 5th to 5-3 and being 34/187.

Second to last match in the final game [we are 1-1] my opponent casts in subsequant turns, Rhox Faithmender, Rhox Faithmender, Thragtusk to gain 20 life /sigh and in the last match my opponent emptied his hand games 1 and 3 by turn 3 with triple Burning Tree Emmissary which you can't beat easily.

Bad beat stories are the best right? :cry:

@ Zonzede, EDH is the one format I haven't played, I find it difficult to detatch from 'competitive mode' which kinda makes EDH pointles for me. We generally play board games to chill out, things like King of Tokyo, Shadow Hunter, Ascension, Battlecars and LOTR Risk.

Did anyone else play MTG this weekend? I didn't bother going to the 1st English WMCQ on Sunday, I was magicked out after Saturday. 2 good friends won the PTQ and WMCQ this weekend though so all was good!
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Re: Anyone play MTG?

Postby Zonzede » Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:04 am

My performance was nothing short of pitiful this last weekend. 0-3 drop. Friend of mine took it though. Ate Wheaties out of the trophy cup.

As for competitive commander, go for it. There's no reason you have to play with the mitts on. Just dangle a prize out there and watch Hermit Combo, Niv-Mizzet drawfest, and Arcum Dagsson decks pop out of the woodwork. Folks only keep it civil because it's all for fun =) It's why Wiz only sells product for it and doesn't sanction. Vintage isn't very popular because of the teeth and pricetag, so they keep Singleton Vintage tame by not warranting them.

We love some board games here too. Lots of Ascension, Munchkin, and Catan especially. Risk just gets people angry at each other for some reason.
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Re: Anyone play MTG?

Postby aureon » Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:34 am

Zonzede wrote:Sweet, a reason to come back to this forum.
Heading to a 2k event this morning. Not much a fan of standard right now, but wish me luck.
Anybody play commander heavily? It's really popular round me, most folks I know have upwards of 3 or 4 decks for it.


Seven decks here.
Metagame started as "All-in-good-fun", and descended rapidly into competitive stuff when someone brought in infest rush and [url=http://magiccards.info/arb/en/124.html]Uril[/uril] decks.

Believe it or not, a Child of Alara deck that is substantially "Every big card i couldn't ever play, plus lots of controls" is pretty top of the heap. Since the rules were amended to make clear the fact that you cannot move the commander from the graveyard to command zone, and just use the substitution effect, it had to run some gy-hate and reanimator-like stuff.
Not that reanimator-like stuff hurt it, tbh. Worthy Cause was an unexpected gem.

Since we're there, bara, you've got an idea of how the stack order goes for Scapegoat sacrificing Child of Alara?
Sacrifice cost-pay, and that runs first because it's out of stack
But now, who gets first on the stack, the go-to-graveyard-effect or the spell-effect?
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Re: Anyone play MTG?

Postby Zonzede » Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:24 am

Pay the costs for Scapegoat, Scapegoat is placed on the stack. Child of Alara triggers, placed above it. Resolving, child nukes the world, then scapegoat can return any critters that remain through whatever means.
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Re: Anyone play MTG?

Postby Barathorn » Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:32 am

Zonzede wrote:Pay the costs for Scapegoat, Scapegoat is placed on the stack. Child of Alara triggers, placed above it. Resolving, child nukes the world, then scapegoat can return any critters that remain through whatever means.


I had to check with a friend but this is correct, anything still alive [ie - through being indestructable], can be returned via scapegoat when it resolves after the child nukes the world, [ie - anything you control critter wise can then be returned to its owners hand].

This is an odd one apparently as the oracle text changes the result compared to the original card text.
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Re: Anyone play MTG?

Postby Thalia » Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:52 am

We are really excited guys!

Uncle's Games (our next door shop neighbor) was tapped to be the biggest Pre-Release event on the Eastside of Seattle and they are being prompted and promoted by Wizard's too. I guess it doesn't hurt that Wizard's of the Coast is 10 minutes down the Freeway from us.

We got asked by Uncle's to be the singles vendor at the event. We are so psyched!~!!! Our first time so we are figuring out logistics and set up.

It's gonna be a projected 600 people attending.

Anyone who has gone to a PTQ with traders/vendors = All advice/suggestions are welcome please :D
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Re: Anyone play MTG?

Postby Barathorn » Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:00 am

Thalia wrote:We are really excited guys!

Uncle's Games (our next door shop neighbor) was tapped to be the biggest Pre-Release event on the Eastside of Seattle and they are being prompted and promoted by Wizard's too. I guess it doesn't hurt that Wizard's of the Coast is 10 minutes down the Freeway from us.

We got asked by Uncle's to be the singles vendor at the event. We are so psyched!~!!! Our first time so we are figuring out logistics and set up.

It's gonna be a projected 600 people attending.

Anyone who has gone to a PTQ with traders/vendors = All advice/suggestions are welcome please :D


Firstly well done. This will be a good thing for your store!

From my experiances Pre-Releases are wierd in terms of singles sales, people want the new cards and so this may affect the sale of your older cards. You probably want to have a good stock of commons and uncommons from RTR and Gatecrash plus the obvious rares and mythics that sell on a regular basis. Shocklands etc.

What you should be looking to do is buy cards that are going to sell over the next few weeks cheaply. I can definately tell you now that the new Blue/Red Planeswalker is VERY much on everyones wish list now. You might want to get some of those cheap if possible from people trading cards in at the event. We always had a wipeable board up with the prices we were buying cards in at and we just wiped out cards or lowered prices as we saw fit during the day. Check with your TO to make sure this is all ok first obviously!

Once the full spoiler is released if any playable cards have been reprinted you may be able to get other versions of these cards cheap and then sell them on for a decent profit [things like old style bordered cards such as Dissipate from Mirage sold out really quickly from my folder when it was reprinted recently as did shock lands [well duh] :)].

Staffing is probably another big thing, have enough staff but not too many!

/edit - I forgot this - print up 500 business cards with your shop details on [you can get these cheaply online] and give the cards out with every purchase from yourself, free advertising is always good!
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Re: Anyone play MTG?

Postby aureon » Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:34 pm

Okay, Wizards.
What the heck?
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachme ... 1365171272
So, UU counterspell was too strong for Standard.
Let's print a WUU counterspell+Orim's chant!
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