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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Passionario » Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:56 am

Klaudandus wrote:FTA:Then on Saturday, the Alliance Defending Freedom helped Protect Marriage file an emergency motion (read the original filing) to block same-sex marriages from resuming in California.

I dont think that means what you think it means.

It's always the Alliance. When have you last seen the headlines about the Horde oppressing LGBT rights?
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:20 pm

DL Foster: Pro-Gay Christians 'Just Like Slave Owners' and 'Jim Crow Racists'
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/d ... ow-racists

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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Koatanga » Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:33 pm

Passionario wrote:It's always the Alliance. When have you last seen the headlines about the Horde oppressing LGBT rights?

Well, you know what they say - people who sleep with cows shouldn't throw stones.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Paxen » Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:58 pm

Klaudandus wrote:DL Foster: Pro-Gay Christians 'Just Like Slave Owners' and 'Jim Crow Racists'
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/d ... ow-racists


Interesting logic. Anti-gay activists don't benefit financially from hating gays, therefore their opponents have to benefit financially. And, q.e.d., they are the equivalent of slaveowners, anti-suffragettes and jim crow-supporters. :shock:
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Jul 15, 2013 5:37 pm

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-j ... k_071513_1
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby KysenMurrin » Tue Jul 16, 2013 12:47 am

The House of Lords has voted through the UK's gay marriage bill. All it's waiting for now is some debate on amendments and the Queen's signature.

(For some reason this news was buried in the "Politics" section of BBC News, I had to dig for it to confirm what I'd heard.)
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Nooska » Tue Jul 16, 2013 3:39 am

Well it IS politics *shrug*
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby KysenMurrin » Tue Jul 16, 2013 4:41 am

Yeah, just would've expected it on the home page somewhere.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby KysenMurrin » Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:49 am

Royal assent has been granted. Same-sex marriage will be legal in the UK.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Lieris » Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:07 am

KysenMurrin wrote:Royal assent has been granted. Same-sex marriage will be legal in the UK.


An imperfect piece of legislation but I will take it.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Sabindeus » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:48 pm

Klaudandus wrote:DL Foster: Pro-Gay Christians 'Just Like Slave Owners' and 'Jim Crow Racists'
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/d ... ow-racists


That is an impressive piece of rhetoric right there. /slowclap
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Aug 14, 2013 5:43 am

http://www.worldfootballinsider.com/Story.aspx?id=36065
“Would you like a World Cup where naked people are running around displaying their homosexuality? The answer to that is quite obvious,” he said.

“The Olympics and World Cup are not a stage for various views... not for Nazis, not for any other ways of life. It should be about football and nothing else.”



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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Nooska » Wed Aug 14, 2013 6:46 am

The second quote you have here is actually sound. The first is enough for a facpalm.
The general idiocy of banining "pro-gay" propaganda is ... well.. staggering. It is either a non-event (you just make pro-gay information, or gay propaganda that isn't pro-gay, but just propaganda) - OR its huge, making any mention of facts about homosexuality illegal at the same time.

But.. its russia.. do we really expect sanity from the russian political system?
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby lythac » Wed Aug 14, 2013 7:38 am

Would you like a World Cup where naked people are running around displaying their homosexuality? The answer to that is quite obvious

I would rather them show this in the pubs than the actual football world cup; at least when they are rolling around and moaning on the floor they probably aren't play acting.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby KysenMurrin » Wed Aug 14, 2013 7:51 am

People over here keep comparing the Russian law to Section 28, that banned the promotion of homosexuality in Britain during the 90s. It didn't criminalise anything, no one was ever prosecuted, but in practice, it still led to institutions banning people from even mentioning homosexuality, acknowledging it existed - or even talking about Section 28 itself. The worst of censorship was self-inflicted but still a direct consequence of the legislation.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Lieris » Wed Aug 14, 2013 12:08 pm

KysenMurrin wrote:People over here keep comparing the Russian law to Section 28, that banned the promotion of homosexuality in Britain during the 90s. It didn't criminalise anything, no one was ever prosecuted, but in practice, it still led to institutions banning people from even mentioning homosexuality, acknowledging it existed - or even talking about Section 28 itself. The worst of censorship was self-inflicted but still a direct consequence of the legislation.


The effects of Section 28 are sadly still felt today. My grandmother still thinks it was a good thing and seems to believe being queer is a learned behaviour that children should be shielded from entirely and that same gender parents are inferior to their het counterparts so "the state shouldn't encourage it". Needless to say when the time comes if she still holds such views she won't be having access to her great grandchildren. I've got my own baggage to deal with, I can't be bothered dealing with hers.

If the spectre of our section 28 still lingers today I imagine that the effects of Russia's hateful laws will probably outlive me.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby KysenMurrin » Wed Aug 14, 2013 12:42 pm

I actually didn't realise just how recent Section 28 was until I was checking up for that post. I thought it was back in the 70s or something, not 1988 to 2003.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Shoju » Wed Aug 14, 2013 12:48 pm

So.... Here's a random question that I had no better place to ask. I'm fairly confident that I have a child who is Gay, or at the very least Bi-Sexual. I've always tried as hard as I could to make sure that my kids understand

1.) I love them no matter what.
2.) I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with someone's choices in life regarding who they want to love.

Do I broach the topic? Or do I wait until they come to me to talk about it?
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Aug 14, 2013 1:03 pm

At least you should let him know what you think of recent lgbt news like Russia or gay marriage in the us, as part of some larger recent events/conversation. So that at least your kid knows you are keeping an eye on those topics and what you feel about them, whether its positive mention of the uk and the queen signing the ok to gay marriage or how you think Russia is stupid for their stance on homosexuality.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Lieris » Wed Aug 14, 2013 1:15 pm

KysenMurrin wrote:I actually didn't realise just how recent Section 28 was until I was checking up for that post. I thought it was back in the 70s or something, not 1988 to 2003.


Yeah it lasted through the entire duration of my schooling. My dad had the fairly standard issue homophobic attitude of the time and school would not touch LGBT issues with a barge pole. Even though I knew I was queer since the age of 13 I didn't tell my parents until I was 19.

Shoju wrote:So.... Here's a random question that I had no better place to ask. I'm fairly confident that I have a child who is Gay, or at the very least Bi-Sexual. I've always tried as hard as I could to make sure that my kids understand

1.) I love them no matter what.
2.) I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with someone's choices in life regarding who they want to love.

Do I broach the topic? Or do I wait until they come to me to talk about it?


It sounds like you are going about it the right way. Be very vocal in their presence about supporting LGBT rights and families, having a zero tolerance attitude to homophobia and they will eventually feel comfortable talking to you about it. Maybe be very open about sending a donation to a charity that supports LGBT youth. Do you have other children? Maybe say outright in front of all of them together like at the dinner table that you will love and support them whatever their sexuality so none of them feel put on the spot.

I think it's not uncommon for parents to be direct about the topic (approaches range from well considered to ham fisted) but you know your child better than anyone and are probably best able to read them. Sorry this isn't much help!
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Shoju » Wed Aug 14, 2013 1:22 pm

Klaudandus wrote:At least you should let him know what you think of recent lgbt news like Russia or gay marriage in the us, as part of some larger recent events/conversation. So that at least your kid knows you are keeping an eye on those topics and what you feel about them, whether its positive mention of the uk and the queen signing the ok to gay marriage or how you think Russia is stupid for their stance on homosexuality.


Those are pretty common dinner topics in our house.

Maybe tonight I will bring up the UK change in laws. I don't think we've talked about that yet.

It sounds like you are going about it the right way. Be very local in their presence about supporting LGBT rights and families, having a zero tolerance attitude to homophobia and they will eventually feel comfortable talking to you about it. Do you have other children? Maybe say outright in front of all of them together like at the dinner table that you will love and support them whatever their sexuality so none of them feel put on the spot.

I think it's not uncommon for parents to be direct about the topic (approaches range from well considered to ham fisted) but you know your child better than anyone and are probably best able to read them. Sorry this isn't much help!


We are pretty vocal, and very supportive.
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It is helpful. I was hoping to bait you, and maybe a few others :) There is an outside chance that I'm wrong, but If I were wagering money on it, I'd say that I'd bet on it with reasonable certainty.

They've all heard the story about my roommate that I found out was gay in a very awkward type of way (for the longest time, I just thought he was a very private person. Then, I came home from work early).

I'm sure part of any fear about it, is centered around my parents. As I've said before, I grew up a Pastor's Son, and while my parents have... "softened" over the years, they haven't about that. I'm not even sure what they would say.

But I know I don't care either, and would do everything in my power to support them, even if it meant not associating with my parents because of any friction.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Aug 14, 2013 3:58 pm

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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Levantine » Wed Aug 14, 2013 10:48 pm

Shoju wrote:
Klaudandus wrote:At least you should let him know what you think of recent lgbt news like Russia or gay marriage in the us, as part of some larger recent events/conversation. So that at least your kid knows you are keeping an eye on those topics and what you feel about them, whether its positive mention of the uk and the queen signing the ok to gay marriage or how you think Russia is stupid for their stance on homosexuality.


Those are pretty common dinner topics in our house.

Maybe tonight I will bring up the UK change in laws. I don't think we've talked about that yet.

It sounds like you are going about it the right way. Be very local in their presence about supporting LGBT rights and families, having a zero tolerance attitude to homophobia and they will eventually feel comfortable talking to you about it. Do you have other children? Maybe say outright in front of all of them together like at the dinner table that you will love and support them whatever their sexuality so none of them feel put on the spot.

I think it's not uncommon for parents to be direct about the topic (approaches range from well considered to ham fisted) but you know your child better than anyone and are probably best able to read them. Sorry this isn't much help!


We are pretty vocal, and very supportive.
Other CHildren: Yes. I have 3 total. Maybe I will work that in with the UK talk.

It is helpful. I was hoping to bait you, and maybe a few others :) There is an outside chance that I'm wrong, but If I were wagering money on it, I'd say that I'd bet on it with reasonable certainty.

They've all heard the story about my roommate that I found out was gay in a very awkward type of way (for the longest time, I just thought he was a very private person. Then, I came home from work early).

I'm sure part of any fear about it, is centered around my parents. As I've said before, I grew up a Pastor's Son, and while my parents have... "softened" over the years, they haven't about that. I'm not even sure what they would say.

But I know I don't care either, and would do everything in my power to support them, even if it meant not associating with my parents because of any friction.


Late to the party, but damn I wish more parents were like you, hey.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Nooska » Thu Aug 15, 2013 4:44 am

Now that we are on the advice asking train - having a kid thats approaching 9,, sexuality isn't a thing thats come up yet ofc. But as I see it, it's one thing for me to be a member of a political party thats openly supportive of LGBT rights etc, and also of me being politically supportive. As I see it, its quite another thing to make sure my son knows that I would be just as supportive (well more actually) on the personal level if thats the way it is. It snot something I've spent a lot of time considering (as I said, he is only 9, after all) but since the topic came up, I thought I'd ask what the thoughts were on how to show it without being direct.
(Then I can mull that over for 2-5 years depending on when it becomes relevant).
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

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