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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Koatanga » Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:17 pm

Fivelives wrote:
Koatanga wrote:The license is issued after a records search to determine that both parties are eligible to marry - are of legal age, are not currently married to anyone else, etc. In NZ there is also a blood test. I know they check for HIV, but I don't know what other things they check for.


It could be to check degree of relation? According to wiki, incest is illegal in NZ.


It could be for a lot of things, including recessive genes for certain congenital birth defects, or as you say for degree of relation. I didn't bother with the fine print when I got married, and I really don't care what they test and/or use my blood for anyway. I suppose when the army of my clones takes over the country I will have some concern, but until then it makes no difference to me.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Skye1013 » Sun Mar 10, 2013 6:31 pm

I wouldn't object to a blood test, though I'd hope anything like HIV was already discussed with your SO before the big decision to get wed.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Klaudandus » Sun Mar 10, 2013 6:32 pm

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-5 ... ess-issue/

On one hand, guys like these are in part for the recession, on the other, he's in favor of gay marriage.

Hm...
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Nooska » Mon Mar 11, 2013 3:17 am

The incestuous relationships illegal in NZ are the same one sthat are over most of the world - direct up/down or side/side - I doubt thats what the blood test is for (there is a roughly 25% chance (if I've got my mental mendalian calculations correct) of 2 full siblings not sharing dna).
Also checking for HIV or other non-lethal diseases (according to current legal thinking getting infected with HIV is no longer punishable unde rthe statute making it illegal to pass on a deadly disease - because HIV doesn't actually kill you anymore) seems odd. I know I don't want the government to sit around with knowledge of what diseases I might develop (or rather, what diseases I have a genetic predisposition for) - the only place I would want it less is insurance companies.

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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Fivelives » Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:43 am

If not to check for degree of relation, then it's weird that blood tests would even be required. As far as I know, the state isn't allowed - anywhere - to involve themselves in things like genetics, at least not at the personal/interpersonal level. It's too close to being actual eugenics in practice.

I'm not entirely sure that HIV has ever killed someone; it's just a precursor virus for the AIDS. AIDS either, for that matter; it's the secondary infections that you get from having a depressed immune system that actually does the killing.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Mar 14, 2013 5:21 am

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Re: LGBT rights discussion

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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Fridmarr » Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:49 am

Klaudandus wrote:Image
Welp. More of the same.

Maybe his position will evolve.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Snake-Aes » Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:37 am

Fun fact: Here the committee that legislates in favor of minorities (particularly homosexuals and cripples, but things like female rights also brush their jurisdiction) elected a new president. A priest from the universal church that openly states things like "aids is a gay disease".
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Koatanga » Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:29 pm

Klaudandus wrote:http://editors.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2013/03/sodomy_no_one_told_us_about_this.php

This made me lol

On the one hand it's amusing, but on the other hand, it's representative of how actual people think, which is more than a little frightening.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Aubade » Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:49 pm

Yeah that video angered me. Such idiocy.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Klaudandus » Sun Mar 17, 2013 8:15 am

http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/15/politics/ ... ?hpt=hp_c1

On one hand I think it is cool he changed his mind, on the other hand, it pisses me off he was ok with denying other people's rights until it hit close to home.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Skye1013 » Sun Mar 17, 2013 12:10 pm

Sadly, that's about the only way some people are ever going to change their mind. Just glad to have another politician on this side of the fence.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Mar 20, 2013 1:56 pm

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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Snake-Aes » Wed Mar 20, 2013 2:39 pm

http://moglobo.globo.com/integra.asp?tx ... ia-7889259
It's...getting worse. This guy is the president for Brazil's committee of minorities and human rights. Famous quotes of his after he ascended to that role include:
1) "AIDS is a gay disease."
2) "STDs shouldn't be treated by the government, they're punishments for the wicked."
3) "Africa is a cursed land."
4) "Women Rights and Gay Rights destroy the families."
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Aubade » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:35 pm

Snake-Aes wrote:http://moglobo.globo.com/integra.asp?txtUrl=%2Fpais%2Fmarco-feliciano-diz-que-direitos-das-mulheres-atingem-familia-7889259
It's...getting worse. This guy is the president for Brazil's committee of minorities and human rights. Famous quotes of his after he ascended to that role include:
1) "AIDS is a gay disease."
2) "STDs shouldn't be treated by the government, they're punishments for the wicked."
3) "Africa is a cursed land."
4) "Women Rights and Gay Rights destroy the families."



He's a pastor =[ How do these things happen?!
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Mar 21, 2013 10:26 am

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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Shoju » Thu Mar 21, 2013 10:38 am

I deabted on where to post this, but this seems more apt than the Sports thread.

Mr. Kluwe has filed a brief with SCOTUS, and has the support of a growing list of Athletes.

http://athletesbrief.com/

The brief is located on there, and I'm working my way through it. It's interesting stuff.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Skye1013 » Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:08 pm

Klaudandus wrote:http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2013/03/21/1754161/republican-lawmaker-opposes-marriage-equality-because-he-doesnt-want-to-marry-a-man/

*facedesk*

What ever happened to the idea that congressman/governors/etc are supposed to vote according to their constituents needs/desires and not based on their own personal preferences?
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:15 pm

Skye1013 wrote:
Klaudandus wrote:http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2013/03/21/1754161/republican-lawmaker-opposes-marriage-equality-because-he-doesnt-want-to-marry-a-man/

*facedesk*

What ever happened to the idea that congressman/governors/etc are supposed to vote according to their constituents needs/desires and not based on their own personal preferences?



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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby KysenMurrin » Fri Mar 22, 2013 2:46 am

Skye1013 wrote:
Klaudandus wrote:http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2013/03/21/1754161/republican-lawmaker-opposes-marriage-equality-because-he-doesnt-want-to-marry-a-man/

*facedesk*

What ever happened to the idea that congressman/governors/etc are supposed to vote according to their constituents needs/desires and not based on their own personal preferences?

As far as they're concerned, they assume that most people are exactly like themselves, and are generally blind to minorities and women. Ask them to imagine an ordinary American, and they think middle-class conservative white guy.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

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Re: LGBT rights discussion

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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Koatanga » Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:14 pm

Klaudandus wrote:http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2013/03/22/1759651/gop-chairman-tries-to-appeal-to-gay-voters-by-bragging-about-his-great-marriage/?mobile=wp

*facedesk*

I think this one is fair enough. He thinks gay people should support the Republican party because they only have "one or two issues", one of which happens to be that gay people shouldn't have the same rights as straight people. Well, the GoP doesn't believe women should have any rights, either. That's probably one if the "one or two" issues he has with his wife, and they have a great marriage, so why can't gay people ignore those "one or two issues" like his wife does so they can have a great relationship?
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

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