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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Paxen » Fri Sep 21, 2012 7:50 am

It's a friend of a friend I've met at a couple of parties. Judging from his normal posting habits he's very fond of offensive humor, and don't give a damn who it offends.

He crossed a line here, though. I'll comment it and see how he reacts.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby theckhd » Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:25 am

I thought it was funny, but I assumed it was tongue-in-cheek. I guess it really depends on the context. I have a Jewish friend who I can imagine making exactly the same joke.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:37 am

theckhd wrote:I thought it was funny, but I assumed it was tongue-in-cheek. I guess it really depends on the context. I have a Jewish friend who I can imagine making exactly the same joke.


Yeah, I pretty much saw it the same way... but like I said, I'm highly cynical =P

Heck, one of the jokes I often make is about us having big noses because air is free...
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Sagara » Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:55 am

Heh. It's a bit like the n-word free pass.

A bit like Belgians like to poke fun at their own inept government and them being simpletons.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Paxen » Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:56 am

Sure, if he was jewish. He's not, afaik.

Maybe he's as much jewish as I am, with my jewish great-great-something-grandfather.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby theckhd » Fri Sep 21, 2012 9:06 am

Eh, I've seen comedians that aren't Jewish make "Jew" jokes, white comedians make "Black" jokes, and all sorts of other stuff. It's all about context. You can make fun of the stereotype without actually being offensive if you do it right. Similar to the whole "rape joke" issue. There are ways to do it that are funny, even to victims. The problem is that it takes some skill and thought - you can't just make the most offensive joke you can think of and expect it to go over well. You have to do it in such a way that it doesn't denigrate the target, but empowers and supports them. It's the sort of thing that sets master comedians apart from amateurs.

There was a really good article on the topic right around the time of the "rape joke" fiasco a few months ago. I wish I remembered where I read it, because I'd link it, but it was really interesting.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby theckhd » Fri Sep 21, 2012 9:09 am

Firefox awesome-bar to the rescue! It was the only result when typing "rape" into the url bar (which is good, I guess?):
http://jezebel.com/5925186/how-to-make-a-rape-joke

I actually agree with Daniel Tosh's sentiment in his shitty back-pedaling tweet ("The point I was making before I was heckled is there are awful things in the world but you can still make jokes about them #deadbabies"). The world is full of terrible things, including rape, and it is okay to joke about them. But the best comics use their art to call bullshit on those terrible parts of life and make them better, not worse. The key—unless you want to be called a garbage-flavored dick on the internet by me and other humans with souls and brains—is to be a responsible person when you construct your jokes. Since the nuances of personal responsibility seem to escape so many people, let's go through it. Let's figure out rape jokes.


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This fetishization of not censoring yourself, of being an "equal-opportunity offender," is bizarre and bad for comedy. When did "not censoring yourself" become a good thing? We censor ourselves all the time, because we are not entitled, sociopathic fucks. Your girlfriend is censoring herself when she says she's okay with you playing Xbox all day. In a way, comedy is censoring yourself—comedy is picking the right words to say to make people laugh. A comic who doesn't censor himself is just a dude yelling. And being an "equal opportunity offender"—as in, "It's okay, because Daniel Tosh makes fun of ALL people: women, men, AIDS victims, dead babies, gay guys, blah blah blah"—falls apart when you remember (as so many of us are forced to all the time) that all people are not in equal positions of power. "Oh, don't worry—I punch everyone in the face! People, baby ducks, a lion, this Easter Island statue, the ocean…" Okay, well that baby duck is dead now. And you're a duck-murderer. It's really easy to believe that "nothing is sacred" when the sanctity of your body and your freedom are never legitimately threatened.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Paxen » Fri Sep 21, 2012 1:18 pm

Well, I got a reply. Paraphrased:

Holocaust jokes are fine. Jews are nice people, as long as they're not Israelis/zionists


I guess I'll keep him. I may have overreacted.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:13 pm

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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Passionario » Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:35 am

Paxen wrote:And today this pops up on my facebook feed: "Jews: The first biofuel."(

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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Skye1013 » Sat Sep 22, 2012 7:15 am

Skye1013 wrote:Part of what spawned this whole thread might be getting put to rest.

http://www.sdgln.com/news/2012/09/18/ch ... tment-gays


Hm... False alarm?

http://www.advocate.com/business/2012/0 ... as-changed
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby lythac » Mon Sep 24, 2012 8:25 am

KysenMurrin wrote:the 1 hour a week I-can't-remember-the-name class that covered all sorts. By age 13-14 it was pretty much entirely about STDs.


PSHE (Personal, Social and Health Education)?

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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby KysenMurrin » Mon Sep 24, 2012 8:55 am

Aha. That's it.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Skye1013 » Mon Sep 24, 2012 4:39 pm

Ann Coulter is an idiot.

Civil Rights Are Only 'For Blacks'
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Aubade » Mon Sep 24, 2012 4:59 pm

......I couldn't believe what the FUCK was just coming out of her mouth.

I normally don't wish this on people, but someone needs to kill her. Like now.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Aubade » Mon Sep 24, 2012 5:01 pm

Actually no. she deserves worse. She needs to be locked up and forced to read facts and history for the rest of her life.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby katraya » Mon Sep 24, 2012 5:46 pm

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This seriously cracked me up. I'm a terrible person.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Oct 03, 2012 11:54 am

http://news.yahoo.com/chick-fil-chief-s ... 23795.html

I wonder if they support selling your daughter into slavery or having more than one wife... Hey, Abraham did it!
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Brekkie » Wed Oct 03, 2012 12:38 pm

Aubade wrote:Actually no. she deserves worse. She needs to be locked up and forced to read facts and history for the rest of her life.

I would happen to ENJOY that! :P
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Shoju » Wed Oct 03, 2012 12:44 pm

Klaudandus wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/chick-fil-chief-support-biblical-families-154623795.html

I wonder if they support selling your daughter into slavery or having more than one wife... Hey, Abraham did it!


I wonder if he is going to let his son take his inheritance early so that he can go to vegas, and blow it on strippers and blow, only to welcome him back with opens arms when he's broke.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Skye1013 » Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:43 pm

I like his writing style.

I also read the original article and have known plenty of people that grew up in homes with "traditional" families that didn't feel it was a "safe environment."
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Shoju » Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:55 am

Skye1013 wrote:I like his writing style.

I also read the original article and have known plenty of people that grew up in homes with "traditional" families that didn't feel it was a "safe environment."


Traditional Families... Like mine. Where you know.... Every important talk I should have had as a kid boiled down to "Don't do it, or you're going to hell!"

Yep... That's the way to raise kids...
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Skye1013 » Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:37 pm

Pretty sure I still haven't had "the birds and the bees" chat with my parents. All I can recall is my mom saying if my sis and I were ever thinking about it... to come talk to her first... but I digress.

My foster sister actually grew up with a "traditional" family. She was more or less a prisoner in the house. Sometime in her early to mid twenties she finally got enough courage to run away and seek help. At the time, she had six or seven brothers and sisters. Not sure if that number has increased because her parents disappeared not too long after they were deemed "fit" to get their kids back from CPS. The oldest son was pretty well brainwashed, the next three were old enough to move away, but the youngest weren't so lucky (ages were from about two years old to late twenties.) I'm not going to type up her entire story here, but even as a single anecdote, it flies in the face of the traditional family argument.

There is no 100% guarantee that just because a family is one way or another that the children will end up the same. But I guess it's okay to have a double standard ("there are exceptions with traditional families, but not with non-traditional ones!"), so long as the status quo is maintained...
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Shoju » Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:04 am

I have been pretty open about it with my oldest. He's also not dumb, and can do math. He became eligible to get his permit (15 and 1/2) on 9/5.

I turned 33 on 9/18.
His mom will turn 33 in December.


I'm also not dumb, and I know what I did as a teen. I was an idiot. I told him that I don't expect he is going to be a chaste virgin until he's out of college, and find some girl, who is also just as chaste as himself. But, I've tried as hard as I can to make sure that he is at least smart about it. Understanding the importance of both the emotional / psychological side of it, and how to stay healthy, and not a daddy.

I'm not saying that my lack of a sex talk is to blame either. I will say that everything coming down to "DON'T! OR YOU'LL GO TO HELL!" certainly didn't help, and it surely pissed me (and my sister) off. It was almost a competition at times to see who could "Go to HELL!" faster.

I'm pretty sure I won that contest.

But I digress, I think that making sure your kids aren't oblivious is important. That goes for Sex, Puberty, Race, Culture, etc... Don't rely on the interwebz and the tv to teach them and then be surprised when they do dumb shit.
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