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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Lieris » Fri Sep 07, 2012 4:01 pm

Shoju wrote:Before too long, I will just be down to my friends that I find funny, my wife, son, and George Takei.


Sounds like good company to me! :) I think you will be happier when that eventually happens.

I think a lot of us can sympathise with you on this as having family members who have no idea how to behave on Facebook isn't uncommon. It's one of the reasons I don't use it.

That and the new and creative ways my cousins manage to butcher the French language.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Sep 07, 2012 4:08 pm

I agree. Me and the rest of the family are not really on speaking terms, and I really don't miss it -- specially since I got a nutjob baptist pastor in the family tree who likes to go all "Bomb Iran to trigger the 2nd coming of Christ" and "Homosexuality caused 9/11", and his congregation eat that shit up.

My poor zeyde is spinning in his grave...
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Melathys » Fri Sep 07, 2012 4:46 pm



You have me totally jonesing for some Chesapeake bay blackened crab cakes right now.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Sep 14, 2012 1:27 pm

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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Aubade » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:46 pm

I actually had to unfriend someone on facebook today.

Who I thought was a relatively level-headed smart person went on an anti-gay rant on Facebook, and was talking about how if Obama get's re-elected we're gonna have the apocalypse.


And she was serious =[

People make me sad for the state of this world sometimes.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Sep 14, 2012 7:14 pm

bummer

i check facebook like once a week... i normally miss a bunch of posts, and i don't think i've seen any anti-gay posts, but every now and then I get my facebook flooded with those Jesus/God is Great posts and whatnot, which I normally counter with some Dawkins/Hitchens/Carlin... which they do take offense to every now and then... *facedesk*
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Skye1013 » Mon Sep 17, 2012 6:05 pm

Had a family-friend post one of those "marriage is between a man and a woman" pictures. I simply commented with :(.

I don't know if he truly believes that, or was just passing along something that sounded good in his head, but I did get an apology from him...
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Skye1013 » Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:19 pm

Part of what spawned this whole thread might be getting put to rest.

http://www.sdgln.com/news/2012/09/18/ch ... tment-gays
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Skye1013 » Thu Sep 20, 2012 7:25 am

Oh, this is rich.

http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/lawm ... dren240812

My favorite part is:
Earlier this year Dwyer supported a ballot measure to strip lawmakers of their office when found guilty of serious crimes which Maryland voters will decide on in November.

If Dwyer is found to have committed an offense and the ballot initiative is successful he may find himself out of office under the law.


Edit: Let it be known that I am glad Karma might be trying to teach him a lesson, but not glad that innocent children had to be injured in the process.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Fridmarr » Thu Sep 20, 2012 7:53 am

Afraid that homosexuality would be taught in schools... What does that even mean? Did I miss the class where heterosexuality was taught because I think I would remember that one.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Paxen » Thu Sep 20, 2012 9:38 am

Fridmarr wrote:Afraid that homosexuality would be taught in schools... What does that even mean? Did I miss the class where heterosexuality was taught because I think I would remember that one.


Sex ed.?

Anyway, I think unfriending people on facebook simply because you disagree with their views is a bit shortsighted. I enjoy watching posts from people I disagree with, even if I think they're retarded. Let's me know I'm not stuck in the internet echo chamber.

Of course, outright anti-gay bashing is pretty rare in these parts. Even those who don't like it usually keep quiet about it.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Fridmarr » Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:06 am

Paxen wrote:
Fridmarr wrote:Afraid that homosexuality would be taught in schools... What does that even mean? Did I miss the class where heterosexuality was taught because I think I would remember that one.


Sex ed.?

Anyway, I think unfriending people on facebook simply because you disagree with their views is a bit shortsighted. I enjoy watching posts from people I disagree with, even if I think they're retarded. Let's me know I'm not stuck in the internet echo chamber.

Of course, outright anti-gay bashing is pretty rare in these parts. Even those who don't like it usually keep quiet about it.


Well sex ed is hardly specific to heterosexuals.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Nikachelle » Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:16 am

At what age do they start sex ed in the States?

(And one could argue that any form of birth control is considered heterosexual, leaving aside condoms and whatnot for oral sex.)
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Nikachelle » Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:16 am

At what age do they start sex ed in the States? I think we started in grade 5 here in Canada.

(And one could argue that any form of birth control is considered heterosexual, leaving aside condoms and whatnot for oral sex.)
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Fridmarr » Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:41 am

I don't know that it's standard. They start with some topics pretty early. Sure the topic of birth control might be more specific, but as a whole sex ed applies fairly universally.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Shoju » Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:51 am

Fridmarr wrote:I don't know that it's standard. They start with some topics pretty early. Sure the topic of birth control might be more specific, but as a whole sex ed applies fairly universally.


There was a talk in school here when I was in 5th grade (I couldn't tell you the specifics, I wasn't allowed to attend...)
There was the miracle of life movie in 8th grade (I forged my parents signature to go... How they didn't suspect that?)
There was health class in 9th grade.

That was it when I was in school, but I graduated 15 years ago.

For my oldest, it was pretty close to the same, but I know that they offer a few more things in high school now, he just isn't interested in taking them.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Fridmarr » Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:37 pm

For the most part I think mine matched that, maybe slight variation on the years but not much (the 5th grade thing was just talking about the changes our bodies were about to go through). We did have some lessons in early elementary school though about appropriate/inappropriate touching and how to handle those situations. In our district those were considered part of sex ed, but I don't know that they really belong in that category. Though beyond that, I'm not sure what sort of education children that young are ready for.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Darielle » Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:27 pm

Sex Ed at the school I went to here in NZ was flipping lame - they used it as an excuse to make us watch Titanic. Like wtf?
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Fridmarr » Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:16 pm

Lol you seriously watched the titanic? Sadly that wasn't possible for me to watch while in high school. But that probably would have been more enjoyable than what we did watch...
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Nikachelle » Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:23 pm

Yeah grades 5 and 6 was more sex anatomy than anything else. But grades 7 and 8 were straight into everything, no holds barred.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Skye1013 » Thu Sep 20, 2012 5:34 pm

7/8th grade we could take a Health class and I think they split the class between male/female when they got around to certain discussions about genitalia (I think it was an STD lesson.) I could be misremembering as that has been a number of years ago and I generally forget stuff that I don't find particularly interesting.

I don't recall ever having an actual sex ed class.

Edit: Matter of fact, I don't think I'd seen my first condom until after I joined the military...
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Sep 20, 2012 5:56 pm

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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Nikachelle » Thu Sep 20, 2012 6:22 pm

Skye1013 wrote:7/8th grade we could take a Health class and I think they split the class between male/female when they got around to certain discussions about genitalia (I think it was an STD lesson.) I could be misremembering as that has been a number of years ago and I generally forget stuff that I don't find particularly interesting.

I don't recall ever having an actual sex ed class.

Edit: Matter of fact, I don't think I'd seen my first condom until after I joined the military...

The only class we had split off from the boys was when the teacher had a lesson on tampons that was utterly useless for the guys to attend. Other than that, we had everyone in the room all the time.

But yeah, like I said, everything was discussed. Oral sex. Vanilla sex. Butt sex. I think we even had lessons on how to actually put on condoms properly. Condoms were handed out if you wanted them - although, us all being 13/14 at the time, no one wanted to be caught dead asking a teacher for a condom.

Looking back, and hearing about different countries/cultures, I'm actually pretty impressed that our sex ed was so rigorous and so well explained. They actually taught us so well that we ended up knowing more than our parents did (now THAT was a fun discussion at home... "Dad, how come you don't know what a fallopian tube is? Or a clitoris?").
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Fridmarr » Thu Sep 20, 2012 6:40 pm

Skye1013 wrote:7/8th grade we could take a Health class and I think they split the class between male/female when they got around to certain discussions about genitalia (I think it was an STD lesson.) I could be misremembering as that has been a number of years ago and I generally forget stuff that I don't find particularly interesting.

I don't recall ever having an actual sex ed class.

Edit: Matter of fact, I don't think I'd seen my first condom until after I joined the military...

Oh, we never had a whole class for sex ed, it was a topic we covered a few times but not a whole class for a quarter...that's a lot of sex ed.

There was only one time we were separated from the girls and it was the most obnoxious thing ever, and I think it was something that they just tried that year and never did again. They literally brought in these college chicks to cover the topic of date rape. We were right down the road from a college that had a big teacher program, so we often got student teachers about various teaching theories that they were trying, so at first we didn't think anything of it. In hindsight, I really wonder if one of the girls in our class had made an accusation of rape towards one of the boys, and this was one way they chose to address it. Anyhow, it was an epic failure.

They separated the boys and these college chicks who were basically our peers began to lecture us. The lecture was pretty inflammatory and it quickly became apparent that we were being treated like a bunch of thugs. That was just recipe for disaster and things became very heated very quickly. These girls who at first were lecturing us like a bunch adolescents were not at all prepared to be challenged, and they completely lost control.

After that, they addressed the girls in our class about techniques to avoid our advances. They basically told them that the boys in their class were a bunch of immature jerks and none of them should date us. Of course, quite a few of the girls that they were talking to already were dating some of us, and so they got all pissed off too and walked out.

One of the strategies they relayed to the girls was that if the guy said "I'll just put it in for a minute" that the girl should reply with "I'm not a microwave" LOL that became a running joke that still rears its head at reunions.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Nikachelle » Thu Sep 20, 2012 6:56 pm

Fridmarr wrote:One of the strategies they relayed to the girls was that if the guy said "I'll just put it in for a minute" that the girl should reply with "I'm not a microwave" LOL that became a running joke that still rears its head at reunions.

That's absolutely hilarious, I love it!

Also, to clarify, our sex ed was always part of our p.e. classes. They usually covered 2-3 weeks of health twice a school year.
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