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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Nooska » Fri Aug 31, 2012 1:58 pm

The way things are looking the price will (with minor fluctuations) simply go up.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Malthrax » Fri Aug 31, 2012 2:59 pm

Nooska wrote:The way things are looking the price will (with minor fluctuations) simply go up.


noooooo!!! it needs a mid/low 20's bounce first. me wants bai moar.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Koatanga » Fri Aug 31, 2012 3:03 pm

Speaking strictly from an opposites point of view, I believe the opposite of having "In God We Trust" on the currency would be to print "There is no god" on the currency. The middle ground would be to make no reference to either claim on the currency - basically to abstain from the argument.

And from that perspective, I would be on the side of removing the text, so that the currency stays out of the theistic/atheistic argument where it doesn't belong in the first place.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Shoju » Fri Aug 31, 2012 6:11 pm

Koatanga wrote:Speaking strictly from an opposites point of view, I believe the opposite of having "In God We Trust" on the currency would be to print "There is no god" on the currency. The middle ground would be to make no reference to either claim on the currency - basically to abstain from the argument.

And from that perspective, I would be on the side of removing the text, so that the currency stays out of the theistic/atheistic argument where it doesn't belong in the first place.


As I just posted in a PM to someone, this is where I'm at. I think the government's official stance on religion should be short, sweet, and to the point:


"As long as you aren't infringing on the rights of another human being, have at it".

Nothing more, nothing less. No wading into the theological past that. BAsically, if you aren't killing people, or oppressing people, or doing someting else blatantly illegal, your religion is fine, and we wont bother it.

But that's my opinion, and only my opinion.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Skye1013 » Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:05 am

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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Sep 03, 2012 7:06 pm

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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Skye1013 » Tue Sep 04, 2012 7:50 pm

"me no gay, me friends gay, me no like you call me gay, you dumb dumb" -bldavis
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Sep 05, 2012 5:48 am

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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Koatanga » Wed Sep 05, 2012 1:13 pm

Klaudandus wrote:http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2012/09/family-first-nz-forgot-to-renew-its-domain-name-lost-it-to-pro-gay-marriage-group/

LOL

I second the LOL.

However, I do wish to point out one inaccuracy of the article - the NZ political climate is nothing like the US one. In NZ, same-sex couples can get legal standing as a Civil Union, which has every right a married couple has except the ability to jointly adopt a child, and to be called a marriage. We're looking to give same-sex couples the actual marriage rights so they can be truly equal.

Additionally, our right-wing groups would be considered moderate, and even liberal, in the US.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Shoju » Wed Sep 05, 2012 1:21 pm

MOderate to Liberal, and still fighting Same Sex Marriage?

/head explodes.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Koatanga » Wed Sep 05, 2012 1:36 pm

Shoju wrote:MOderate to Liberal, and still fighting Same Sex Marriage?

/head explodes.

It's a religious/social issue, not a political one. It has been politicised, which in the US means one party espouses it therefore the other party must oppose it - US politics hates bipartisan issues.

Have a read at this article:

http://www.allegiancemusical.com/blog-entry/gorilla-their-midst
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Aubade » Wed Sep 05, 2012 3:26 pm

http://conservapedia.com/Homosexual

This is so bad it's almost funny....
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Levantine » Wed Sep 05, 2012 4:46 pm

Koatanga wrote:
Klaudandus wrote:http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2012/09/family-first-nz-forgot-to-renew-its-domain-name-lost-it-to-pro-gay-marriage-group/

LOL

I second the LOL.

However, I do wish to point out one inaccuracy of the article - the NZ political climate is nothing like the US one. In NZ, same-sex couples can get legal standing as a Civil Union, which has every right a married couple has except the ability to jointly adopt a child, and to be called a marriage. We're looking to give same-sex couples the actual marriage rights so they can be truly equal.

Additionally, our right-wing groups would be considered moderate, and even liberal, in the US.


It's an Australian website, not a US one.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Koatanga » Wed Sep 05, 2012 6:00 pm

Levantine wrote:It's an Australian website, not a US one.

Australia, US - same thing; they both suck at rugby.

But the point stands - our political climates are not alike. NZ has legally recognised gay couples for years, and is seeking to do away with the last distinction.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Levantine » Wed Sep 05, 2012 7:29 pm

You're good at focusing on singular points to the exclusion and flat out blind and willful ignorance of any others, aren'tcha. Outside of gay marriage Aus and NZ political climates are quite similar. My entire mother's side of the family resides in New Zealand, and why I don't know from first hand experience due to living in Australia, I hear enough to be able to draw a significant number of parallels.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Koatanga » Thu Sep 06, 2012 1:11 am

Levantine wrote:You're good at focusing on singular points to the exclusion and flat out blind and willful ignorance of any others, aren'tcha. Outside of gay marriage Aus and NZ political climates are quite similar. My entire mother's side of the family resides in New Zealand, and why I don't know from first hand experience due to living in Australia, I hear enough to be able to draw a significant number of parallels.

Nah actually I didn't go back and re-read the article. Now that I did it definitely does say NZ is similar to "ours" meaning Aus, so I would agree with that. For some reason I thought it was comparing to the US.

But yeah, Aus is close to NZ in many more ways than mere geography. Apart from rugby prowess, of course.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Shoju » Thu Sep 06, 2012 6:47 am

Koatanga wrote:
Shoju wrote:MOderate to Liberal, and still fighting Same Sex Marriage?

/head explodes.

It's a religious/social issue, not a political one. It has been politicised, which in the US means one party espouses it therefore the other party must oppose it - US politics hates bipartisan issues.

Have a read at this article:

http://www.allegiancemusical.com/blog-entry/gorilla-their-midst


Oh, I'm familiar with the article. I love what he wrote. It's just really difficult to separate the mainstream conservatives in the US from issues like same sex marriage anymore, because religious fundamentalism is, like Takei said, the gorilla in the republican's living room.

My comment was more of a "satire" at the state of american politics.

I guess part of me also hoped, that since NZ already had civil unions, that the move to "marriage" was a mere formality.

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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Skye1013 » Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:23 pm

Am I the only one who voiced that quote with Takei's actual voice?
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Shoju » Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:08 pm

I rad the whole blog in the "Holo-gramps" voice from Supah Ninjas.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Shoju » Fri Sep 07, 2012 5:23 am

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--maryl ... riage.html

1.) I think it's awesome that an NFL player, a sport normally known for it's machismo, not its sensitivity, supports gay marriage.

2.) I think it's incredibly sad that the politician is such a freaking wanker about wanting the owner to tell his player to STFU
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby katraya » Fri Sep 07, 2012 6:11 am

Shoju wrote:http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--maryland-politician-out-of-line-for-attacking-brendon-ayanbadejo-s-support-of-gay-marriage.html

1.) I think it's awesome that an NFL player, a sport normally known for it's machismo, not its sensitivity, supports gay marriage.

2.) I think it's incredibly sad that the politician is such a freaking wanker about wanting the owner to tell his player to STFU


It's hilarious that the politician seems to think there are no gay Ravens fans. We almost always go to the gay bar by our house to watch the games because there is a good sized crowd without any of the frat boy douchebag types.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Nikachelle » Fri Sep 07, 2012 6:18 am

Didn't Maryland already legalize gay marriage anyway? Why would they assume that the state as a whole does not support gay marriage...
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Shoju » Fri Sep 07, 2012 7:52 am

Nikachelle wrote:Didn't Maryland already legalize gay marriage anyway? Why would they assume that the state as a whole does not support gay marriage...



Because a group of idiots have challenged it, and have a repeal on the ballot for November.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Nikachelle » Fri Sep 07, 2012 8:14 am

Sigh.

Think I'll storm into town wearing rainbow everything then.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Shoju » Fri Sep 07, 2012 9:07 am

In a funny sort of events, I recently saw one of those "Marriage equality" pictures on Facebook, and shared it. There was part of me that hoped that it would cause my family to have heart attacks, and argue with me about it.

Turns out, my extended family just unfriended me. I don't know what emotion was more dominant in my reaction.

Humor, that my stance on gay marriage would be such a problem that it would cause family to unfriend me on facebook

Or

Sadness, that my stance on gay marriage would be such a problem that it would cause my family to unfriend me on facebook

I don't care if I'm friends with people on facebook. I've been hemorrhaging "friends" from my ultra conservative extended family (cousins, uncles, etc..) and "friends" (people I graduated with) for a month or so now. Before too long, I will just be down to my friends that I find funny, my wife, son, and George Takei.
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