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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:30 pm

Yeah, like I said when I replied to Malthrax, I thought you were trying to make a point when in reality you were trying to make a different one. My bad.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Koatanga » Thu Aug 02, 2012 2:08 pm

I am proud to say that the New Zealand government is currently considering a bill to make gay marriage legal. We currently have legal Civil Unions between same-sex partners, with all of the rights of married people except the ability to adopt children. The bill being discussed will allow proper marriage between same-sex couples.

I am glad that the people in our government did not rest on their laurels having won the Civil Union battle, but continued to push for marriage.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Skye1013 » Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:02 pm

Hopefully it makes it through!

As for the Civil Union vs Marriage thing... I have no problems with Civil Unions IF they are the exact same thing (at which point you're only arguing the semantics of a name.) Or, as has been mentioned previously, Civil Union = government recognized coupling, Marriage = religiously recognized coupling (granting no benefits unless for some reason your particular religion gives married members some sort of "perk," but then that probably falls under something similar to the BSA and exclusivity.)
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Aug 06, 2012 6:53 pm

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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Skye1013 » Wed Aug 08, 2012 6:33 pm

This guy needs to be lobotomized in the most painful way possible.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Fivelives » Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:51 pm

A lobotomy is too kind. He should be slathered in honey and staked out over a fire ant hill during the hottest part of the day here where I live, then have a wasp's nest dropped on him from a highrise construction crane.

After he recovers from that, a gay couple should kidnap his kids and get them out via an Underground Railroad, just to see how this jackass likes it. Seriously.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Skye1013 » Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:06 pm

I was attempting to rescue the brain that is obviously not in use. I'm sure science could use a brain like that to study...
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby bldavis » Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:01 pm

my favorite was when i saw another article titled "Bryan Fischer: Using My Words To Prove My Hate Of Gays Is A Hate Crime"


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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Fivelives » Thu Aug 09, 2012 12:17 am

I didn't know it was possible for a grown man to be that oblivious to the shit spewing out of their hot air vents without being the product of dedicated inbreeding.

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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Sabindeus » Thu Aug 09, 2012 9:40 am

the fact that anyone could actually say those things and mean it really blows my mind
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Passionario » Thu Aug 09, 2012 10:32 am

Sabindeus wrote:the fact that anyone could actually say those things and mean it really blows my mind


Oh, it's easy. People do it all the time. As Robert Anton Wilson put it, "Whatever the Thinker thinks, the Prover proves". All humans have an inherent tendency to focus on facts and experiences that support their personal worldview, filter out things that don't fit in it, and interpret ambiguities in the way that is more consistent with it. And, of course, the more proof we find, the stronger said worldview becomes, this forming a self-supporting feedback loop.

For example, if an individual with strong anti-LGBT beliefs was to read the last few posts prior to yours and take them at face value, he'd see two villains cold-bloodedly discussing whether it would be more advantageous to torture or lobotomize their political opponents. "Holy shit", he or she would think, "Bryan Fischer was right, after all! These guys are literal Nazis!". :roll:
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Sabindeus » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:03 pm

Passionario wrote:
Sabindeus wrote:the fact that anyone could actually say those things and mean it really blows my mind


Oh, it's easy. People do it all the time. As Robert Anton Wilson put it, "Whatever the Thinker thinks, the Prover proves". All humans have an inherent tendency to focus on facts and experiences that support their personal worldview, filter out things that don't fit in it, and interpret ambiguities in the way that is more consistent with it. And, of course, the more proof we find, the stronger said worldview becomes, this forming a self-supporting feedback loop.

For example, if an individual with strong anti-LGBT beliefs was to read the last few posts prior to yours and take them at face value, he'd see two villains cold-bloodedly discussing whether it would be more advantageous to torture or lobotomize their political opponents. "Holy shit", he or she would think, "Bryan Fischer was right, after all! These guys are literal Nazis!". :roll:


I was going to say that, but then I actually clicked on the link and saw that they were just riffing off of what the dude said.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Skye1013 » Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:03 pm

It's true, context is important. Just look at the "gaffe" the President made (according to right wing media) by saying people didn't build their companies/positions. Sure, HE was referring to bridges and roads... but they conveniently skipped over that.
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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Skye1013 » Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:15 pm

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Re: LGBT rights discussion

Postby Fridmarr » Thu Aug 09, 2012 5:09 pm

Passionario wrote:For example, if an individual with strong anti-LGBT beliefs was to read the last few posts prior to yours and take them at face value, he'd see two villains cold-bloodedly discussing whether it would be more advantageous to torture or lobotomize their political opponents. "Holy shit", he or she would think, "Bryan Fischer was right, after all! These guys are literal Nazis!". :roll:

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