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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:55 pm
by Levantine
*snarky remark about republicans being poor losers*

Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:37 pm
by Klaudandus
Brekkie wrote:We haven't seen hide nor tail of Fridmarr since before election day...

RIP
:(


Did he secede? =P

I kid, I kid! *pops cds on the banhammer* =P

Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:14 pm
by Skye1013
Username: Fridmarr
Last visited: Yesterday, 15:48

Apparently he's still around somewhere.

Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:19 pm
by Melathys
Torquemada wrote:He ran as a politician. You saw the same thing with Bob Dole in 1996. He went on SNL and was witty, funny, and almost charismatic, and it was like, "Where the hell was this guy during the election?"

Politicians are like rock stars. They have image consultants and managers who tell them what they have to say and do, and sculpt and mould them over time into what they think that John Q. Public wants to vote for: America, apple pie, kissing babies, etc. I don't support much of Obama's platform, and he is incredibly artificial/scripted, but he managed to present the appearance that he isn't, and that's extremely novel at the presidential level of politics.


Same thing with Mcain. My brother had a hardon for obama from the beginning, when we saw Mcain's concession speech, I told my brother "If he'd been more like that, he would have won." And I heard that same exact sentiment on the radio the next day.

Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:27 pm
by Skye1013
Melathys wrote:Same thing with Mcain. My brother had a hardon for obama from the beginning, when we saw Mcain's concession speech, I told my brother "If he'd been more like that, he would have won." And I heard that same exact sentiment on the radio the next day.

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:40 pm
by Klaudandus
and then there's the biden-palin 4koma exploitable
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:25 pm
by Torquemada
Melathys wrote:Same thing with Mcain. My brother had a hardon for obama from the beginning, when we saw Mcain's concession speech, I told my brother "If he'd been more like that, he would have won." And I heard that same exact sentiment on the radio the next day.


He ran as a mild as milktoast wuss. He barely seemed to play up the veteran/POW card, instead focusing on calling everyone friend and being a nice guy. In reality, he's famous for being a hothead, cursing people out in the Senate, and having a horrible temper. I would have voted for that guy over the drone we got.

My favorite story about him was when he ran for Congress the first time. He'd married Cindy and moved to Arizona to help run her dad's Golden Eagle(Budweiser) distributorship. He was called a carpetbagger by some guy at a public event.

His reply: "Listen, pal. I spent 22 years in the Navy. My father was in the Navy. My grandfather was in the Navy. We in the military service tend to move a lot. We have to live in all parts of the country, all parts of the world. I wish I could have had the luxury, like you, of growing up and living and spending my entire life in a nice place like the First District of Arizona, but I was doing other things. As a matter of fact, when I think about it now, the place I lived longest in my life was Hanoi."

Imagine if that fiery, piss and vinegar son of a bitch had run.

Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:40 pm
by bldavis
shit if we had that during the election 4 years ago...he might have won!

Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:50 am
by Klaudandus
Romney doesn't seem to get it
http://www.azcentral.com/news/politics/ ... gifts.html


No wonder Jindal called him out
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/1 ... 33578.html

Not to mention that Romney had his own list of 'Free' stuff to give
Free stuff for young people: Increase spending on pell grants/student loans.
Free heathcare via the emergency room.
Free stuff for seniors: Increase spending on Medicare (because Obamacare cut it!).
Free stuff for military contractors because of increase spending on the Military.
Free stuff for the 1%: Reduced taxes
Free stuff for corporations: Reduce taxes.
Free stuff for oil companies: remove 'expensive' regulations/government fees.

Yeah, being facetious on the last part of my post, but its thursday morning and i got this terrible coffee that I have to drink...

And on other news...

John Metz, Denny's Franchisee And Hurricane Grill & Wings Owner, Imposes Surcharge For Obamacare
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/1 ... 22412.html
"If I leave the prices the same, but say on the menu that there is a 5 percent surcharge for Obamacare, customers have two choices. They can either pay it and tip 15 or 20 percent, or if they really feel so inclined, they can reduce the amount of tip they give to the server, who is the primary beneficiary of Obamacare," Metz told The Huffington Post. "Although it may sound terrible that I'm doing this, it's the only alternative. I've got to pass the cost on to the consumer."

Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 7:55 am
by Shoju
No, it's not that Romney doesn't get it. The GOP doesn't get it.



Yahoo Article wrote:...because nominee Mitt Romney did not respond to criticism strongly enough or outline a specific agenda with a broad appeal.

"We need to figure out what we did right and what we did wrong, how we can improve our tone, our message, our technology, our turnout — all the things that are required to win elections," McDonnell said. "We are disappointed, but we are not discouraged."

"They spent all their time making Mitt Romney unacceptable and making him out to be someone who was untrustworthy and unacceptable to enough of the American people — and it worked," Iowa Gov. Terry Branstad said in an interview."

"In the hallways at the conference, the governors and their top advisers uniformly blamed Romney's loss on an uneven communications strategy. They said Romney allowed himself to be branded a corporate raider who put the interests of the wealthy above those of middle-income voters."


Yep. Totally just a Romney Problem. Total all about communications. Totally all about making Romney out to be a smarmy bastard.

It had nothing to do with their archaic batshit stupidity over

Abortion
Rape
Gay Rights
The Latino Community
The African American Community
The Female Population.

It's all because they are technologically backward dolts who couldn't find a way to get the bully to stop throwing rocks at their best guy.

Man... They are absolutely clueless.

Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:03 am
by Fridmarr
Skye1013 wrote:Username: Fridmarr
Last visited: Yesterday, 15:48

Apparently he's still around somewhere.


I'm here. I'm sure there is probably stuff here that I'd like to post about between this and the sports thread, but I just don't have time to post. I'm mostly just doing moderator stuff, checking on reported posts (which fortunately there hasn't been much) and deleting spam. I do peek into some threads to make sure there isn't a flame war going but that's about it.

I'll be back annoying people before too long though, I'm sure.

Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:21 am
by KysenMurrin
Klaudandus wrote:John Metz, Denny's Franchisee And Hurricane Grill & Wings Owner, Imposes Surcharge For Obamacare
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/1 ... 22412.html
"If I leave the prices the same, but say on the menu that there is a 5 percent surcharge for Obamacare, customers have two choices. They can either pay it and tip 15 or 20 percent, or if they really feel so inclined, they can reduce the amount of tip they give to the server, who is the primary beneficiary of Obamacare," Metz told The Huffington Post. "Although it may sound terrible that I'm doing this, it's the only alternative. I've got to pass the cost on to the consumer."

Of course, he could have just raised his prices without being a dick about it.

Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:38 am
by bldavis
but big business owners have to make a point!

he could have also waited until it takes effect...
i dont get ppl like them, there is a coal mine owner that has already canned ppl just cause obama won the election
doesnt matter his tazes wont go up for a year or two yet

Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:43 am
by Klaudandus
Shoju wrote:No, it's not that Romney doesn't get it. The GOP doesn't get it.


Yeah, the GOP doesn't get it, and Romney seems to be the current unofficial spokesperson of the ideology the GOP has.

I mean, it seems the 47% remark is really how he feels about america, considering the following quote was just made some days ago
“You can imagine for somebody making $25,000 or $30,000 or $35,000 a year, being told you’re now going to get free healthcare, particularly if you don’t have it, getting free healthcare worth, what, $10,000 per family, in perpetuity. I mean, this is huge,” Romney said, the New York Times reported.


EDIT

GOP chief: Mystery black voters
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83895.html
“In some parts of rural Maine, there were dozens, dozens of black people who came in and voted on Election Day,” Charlie Webster told Portland, Maine’s NBC affiliate on Wednesday. “Everybody has a right to vote, but nobody in town knows anyone who’s black. How did that happen? I don’t know. We’re going to find out.”



EEDIT #2

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/ ... licans.php
A follow-up on the latest Romney fumble (the "gifts")

And a good editorial on it
http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com ... ribed.html
"So is Romney's very low tax rate (compared with mine), for example, not a gift from the government? Are all the net federal transfers of wealth to red states not also, by that logic, a gift? What would Romney call getting offered a job with zero risk (Bain Capital), and a promise that if the investments did not work out, he could go back to his old job with no penalty, and retroactively get all his previous salary paid? Was that a gift as well? Or was that thriving, striving, Deseret?"

Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 5:40 am
by Klaudandus
A rather interesting article on why people would rather work at wal-mart than in a manufacturing job
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/25/magaz ... .html?_r=0

Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 5:55 am
by JoeBravo
Klaudandus wrote:A rather interesting article on why people would rather work at wal-mart than in a manufacturing job
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/25/magaz ... .html?_r=0


Interesting article and not something that's limited to the USA. (parts of) Europe has thesame problem.

Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:09 pm
by Klaudandus
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/1 ... tion-laws/
I think I left my shocked face in my other pants.

Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 2:22 am
by Brekkie
ThinkProgress is pretty much the liberal version of TheDailyBeast, so anything you read there should be taken with more than a single grain of salt.

The very article that your link cites describes how the key whistleblower to this alleged conspiracy is, himself, "accused of stealing $200,000 from the party through a phony campaign fundraising operation. He, in turn, has sued the party, saying GOP leaders knew what he was doing and voiced no objection."

Also worth noting is this quote:
Former Florida Secretary of State Kurt Browning, a Republican, has spoken favorably about HB 1355, because he believes its 12-hour early voting days — the law previously limited them to eight hours a day — give voters more flexibility to vote before or after work.

“But reducing early voting days does not attack voter fraud and given the longer days, it certainly does not save money,” Browning has said.


The bill the republicans passed which limited early voting days did so because it extended hours the polls were open on fewer days, keeping the total number of hours when a person can vote early equal.
That's a relatively reasonable and defensible idea, and should be discussed on its merits or lack thereof.

Your link implies intent at deliberate voter suppression, which is a rather extraordinary claim, without very much in the way of convincing evidence. Far more likely is unintentional voter suppression; misunderstanding the considerations of working-class poor people.

The whole "in-person voter impersonation fraud" concept IS totally baseless and silly, though. The GOP make themselves look like deliberate Machiavellis when they bring it up, because there is no evidence to support it being a real thing happening anywhere.
Most voter fraud is absentee-ballot related, which makes sense if you think about it. You cant steal an election by going into a polling place over and over pretending to be all of your neighbors and dead relatives; you simply wont be adding that many votes in the scheme of things and the chance of being caught is too great. You steal elections by stuffing ballot boxes. But most absentee-ballots are military members, which tend to be a GOP constituency, so that fact is ignored.

Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 3:46 am
by Torquemada
Brekkie wrote:ThinkProgress is pretty much the liberal version of TheDailyBeast, so anything you read there should be taken with more than a single grain of salt.

The very article that your link cites describes how the key whistleblower to this alleged conspiracy is, himself, "accused of stealing $200,000 from the party through a phony campaign fundraising operation. He, in turn, has sued the party, saying GOP leaders knew what he was doing and voiced no objection."


Yeah, I put ThinkProgress up there with The Blaze as far as impartiality. Also of note as one of the accusers is Charlie Crist, who's still butt hurt that Floridia Republicans didn't nominate him for Senate, so he dropped the party, ran as an Independent, and still lost to Marco Rubio. So yeah, kind of someone with an axe to grind.

Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 6:50 am
by Klaudandus

Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:07 pm
by Shoju
Klaudandus wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/05/us/despite-doles-wish-gop-rejects-disabilities-treaty.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&_r=1&


It's stuff like this that just jades me to the American Political System. I'm so freaking tired of it. Man... I just don't get the "ZOMGITSGUNNATAKEAWAYZOURSEVURENTIEZ" BS.

Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 1:06 pm
by Klaudandus
Shoju wrote:
Klaudandus wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/05/us/despite-doles-wish-gop-rejects-disabilities-treaty.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&_r=1&


It's stuff like this that just jades me to the American Political System. I'm so freaking tired of it. Man... I just don't get the "ZOMGITSGUNNATAKEAWAYZOURSEVURENTIEZ" BS.


Tell me about it...

Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 1:44 pm
by Klaudandus
http://news.yahoo.com/cadet-quits-cites ... 44765.html

Uggh... this guy is a retard. And I say that as someone who dislikes religion.

Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 1:49 pm
by Shoju
Klaudandus wrote:
Shoju wrote:
Klaudandus wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/05/us/despite-doles-wish-gop-rejects-disabilities-treaty.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&_r=1&


It's stuff like this that just jades me to the American Political System. I'm so freaking tired of it. Man... I just don't get the "ZOMGITSGUNNATAKEAWAYZOURSEVURENTIEZ" BS.


Tell me about it...


As a tidbit of future knowledge, Mr. Jim Wright (The Author of the Stonekettle Station) will be posting about this today.

Since his Schadenfreude blog was posted here, I've been an avid reader. From the most recent (not today) blog, there was this gem:

Stonekettle Station wrote:People like John Boehner created this crisis by turning President Obama into a fanatical Whitey-hatin’ Anti-American Black Power Christian Muslim Kenyan Nazi Socialist Communist Baby Killing Satanic Gay Cannibal Demon who wields the Magic Negro Ray of Planet Destroying Doom.


I'm a huge fan of his now.

Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 7:33 am
by Klaudandus
Shoju wrote:
Klaudandus wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/05/us/despite-doles-wish-gop-rejects-disabilities-treaty.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&_r=1&


It's stuff like this that just jades me to the American Political System. I'm so freaking tired of it. Man... I just don't get the "ZOMGITSGUNNATAKEAWAYZOURSEVURENTIEZ" BS.


An Op Ed on this
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/opi ... 0868.story