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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:15 am

I could make a case that blizzard has some cognitive dissonance right now, not unlike republicans

Zarhym wrote:Another sticking point is you brought up being forced to either do dailies or PvP. Why? Looking only
at progression of character power at 90, do you not want to do scenarios, dungeons, or raids? What
pushes you into reputation progression such that you feel you have to do it x9 and burn out on the
game?
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Sabindeus » Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:33 pm

Klaudandus wrote:I could make a case that blizzard has some cognitive dissonance right now, not unlike republicans

Zarhym wrote:Another sticking point is you brought up being forced to either do dailies or PvP. Why? Looking only
at progression of character power at 90, do you not want to do scenarios, dungeons, or raids? What
pushes you into reputation progression such that you feel you have to do it x9 and burn out on the
game?


... huh? what's wrong with what Zarhym's saying here?
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Nooska » Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:37 pm

^wondering the same thing - remember context, he is replying to someone saying he is forced to do it on 9 alts already, making him quit the game at this point.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Brekkie » Tue Nov 13, 2012 5:43 pm

Interested to see how the new Cabinet fills out.

Hoping for Jon Huntsman as the new Secretary of State to replace outgoing Hilary. He'd make a great bipartisan pick, and I like him a lot more than Kerry.
Ultimately our most important foreign country to get negotiations with *right* is China, and as an extremely successful and popular Ambassador to China who had good rapport with the people and speaks fluent Mandarin, Huntsman is the best choice. (Iran is more of a National Security/Intelligence issue than a Diplomatic Relations issue. The SecState is pretty limited in what they can do with regards to Iran since we don't have diplomatic relations with them, so to me it makes more sense for this cabinet pick to be mainly focused on China.)

Leon Panetta is on his way out as Secretary of Defense, which is probably for the best because it was never really a good fit for him in my opinion. He was appointed to demonstrate the administration's seriousness when it comes to DoD contributing to deficit reduction, and has accomplished that job. We need someone new, ideally a veteran themselves, who can now take the DoD forward and demonstrate that while the military will be leaner and more focused it will not be gutted mindlessly.
Probably best to keep this seat with a Democrat, to avoid any temptation for a Republican SecDef to use the authority of the position to score cheap politic points by making statements to the press whenever the military doesn't get its way.
I would mind seeing this seat go to a woman either, just for the priceless reaction of some of the fundamentalist-neoconservative Generals.

Secretary of the Treasury will be an important pick, and another opportunity for a bipartisan peace gesture to help make up for some of the anti-business rhetoric. It will likely stay with a democrat though, just so the administration presents a united front.

Secretary of the Interior could be given to a Republican as well. Most of the land owned by the DoI is in midwestern Red States, so it's a logical fit to pick someone from there who is familiar with the regional issues.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Skye1013 » Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:30 pm

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/20 ... petitions/

So... if Texas successfully secedes... does that mean I'm no longer a natural-born citizen of the US?
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby bldavis » Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:45 pm

if they do, i guess they are the lone star republic again
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Torquemada » Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:58 pm

Brekkie wrote:Interested to see how the new Cabinet fills out.

I don't think Huntsman is a bad idea at all. He has the experience for this, and the skills, and he's a better choice than many. Plus it keeps him away from DoD and the economy, which were my issues with him for Prez.

As far as DoD, I'm trying to figure out which way Obama's going to go, because I agree that Panetta is not really the person that should be in the seat for the next for years. I see them going with a bureaucrat over a retired general. Maybe one of the previous branch secretaries, or someone who's been on the Armed Services Committee. I could almost see them putting John Kerry in it.

I don't really think anyone could do a worse job than Geitner. Hopefully the new appointee will, I dunno. PAY HIS TAXES before being nominated.

I'm not really sure who they'll pick for the other cabinets, nor am I much concerned. I'm far more interested in who will replace Petraeus as D/CIA, whether they'll replace the ODNI, and whether General Allen is hosed by the current scandal and gets booted out. They already have a replacement for him at ISAF, but no idea who'll get set up for NATO commander now. Maybe General Thurman, who's at USFK now and went through nominations at the same time as Allen. Doubt it, but I would love to work for JD again.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby econ21 » Wed Nov 14, 2012 2:46 am

Damn, during the election, I really took a dislike to Romney (from a European left position) as he seemed to ooze insincerity. Then this morning I came across this off the record exchange he had with a conservative radio presenter on Mormonism and abortion that has made me totally question that prejudice:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... c=obinsite

I agree with the Slate article commentary - I wish we had seen more of this Romney, sincere, articulate, forceful and intellectually supple.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Torquemada » Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:13 am

He ran as a politician. You saw the same thing with Bob Dole in 1996. He went on SNL and was witty, funny, and almost charismatic, and it was like, "Where the hell was this guy during the election?"

Politicians are like rock stars. They have image consultants and managers who tell them what they have to say and do, and sculpt and mould them over time into what they think that John Q. Public wants to vote for: America, apple pie, kissing babies, etc. I don't support much of Obama's platform, and he is incredibly artificial/scripted, but he managed to present the appearance that he isn't, and that's extremely novel at the presidential level of politics.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:38 am

I think that's why people like Joe Biden a lot -- he's full of gaffes, but damn if the guy doesn't appear human

This speech is just moving as hell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwZ6UfXm410
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Torquemada » Wed Nov 14, 2012 12:10 pm

Klaudandus wrote:I think that's why people like Joe Biden a lot -- he's full of gaffes, but damn if the guy doesn't appear human

This speech is just moving as hell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwZ6UfXm410


By that same argument, Dan Quayle should have been more popular. Though I did enjoy me a good "Bushism" back in the day.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Brekkie » Wed Nov 14, 2012 2:43 pm

Texas peitions to secede from the Union.

The city of Austin petitions to secede from Texas and apologizes for the rest of Texas' stupidity.

New petition requests that all the residents of Austin who signed the peition to secede from Texas be stripped of their citizenship.

*head explode*
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Nov 14, 2012 3:31 pm

Brekkie wrote:Texas peitions to secede from the Union.

The city of Austin petitions to secede from Texas and apologizes for the rest of Texas' stupidity.

New petition requests that all the residents of Austin who signed the peition to secede from Texas be stripped of their citizenship.

*head explode*


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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Brekkie » Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:53 pm

We haven't seen hide nor tail of Fridmarr since before election day...

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Levantine » Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:55 pm

*snarky remark about republicans being poor losers*
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:37 pm

Brekkie wrote:We haven't seen hide nor tail of Fridmarr since before election day...

RIP
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Did he secede? =P

I kid, I kid! *pops cds on the banhammer* =P
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Skye1013 » Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:14 pm

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Apparently he's still around somewhere.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Melathys » Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:19 pm

Torquemada wrote:He ran as a politician. You saw the same thing with Bob Dole in 1996. He went on SNL and was witty, funny, and almost charismatic, and it was like, "Where the hell was this guy during the election?"

Politicians are like rock stars. They have image consultants and managers who tell them what they have to say and do, and sculpt and mould them over time into what they think that John Q. Public wants to vote for: America, apple pie, kissing babies, etc. I don't support much of Obama's platform, and he is incredibly artificial/scripted, but he managed to present the appearance that he isn't, and that's extremely novel at the presidential level of politics.


Same thing with Mcain. My brother had a hardon for obama from the beginning, when we saw Mcain's concession speech, I told my brother "If he'd been more like that, he would have won." And I heard that same exact sentiment on the radio the next day.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Skye1013 » Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:27 pm

Melathys wrote:Same thing with Mcain. My brother had a hardon for obama from the beginning, when we saw Mcain's concession speech, I told my brother "If he'd been more like that, he would have won." And I heard that same exact sentiment on the radio the next day.

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:40 pm

and then there's the biden-palin 4koma exploitable
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Torquemada » Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:25 pm

Melathys wrote:Same thing with Mcain. My brother had a hardon for obama from the beginning, when we saw Mcain's concession speech, I told my brother "If he'd been more like that, he would have won." And I heard that same exact sentiment on the radio the next day.


He ran as a mild as milktoast wuss. He barely seemed to play up the veteran/POW card, instead focusing on calling everyone friend and being a nice guy. In reality, he's famous for being a hothead, cursing people out in the Senate, and having a horrible temper. I would have voted for that guy over the drone we got.

My favorite story about him was when he ran for Congress the first time. He'd married Cindy and moved to Arizona to help run her dad's Golden Eagle(Budweiser) distributorship. He was called a carpetbagger by some guy at a public event.

His reply: "Listen, pal. I spent 22 years in the Navy. My father was in the Navy. My grandfather was in the Navy. We in the military service tend to move a lot. We have to live in all parts of the country, all parts of the world. I wish I could have had the luxury, like you, of growing up and living and spending my entire life in a nice place like the First District of Arizona, but I was doing other things. As a matter of fact, when I think about it now, the place I lived longest in my life was Hanoi."

Imagine if that fiery, piss and vinegar son of a bitch had run.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby bldavis » Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:40 pm

shit if we had that during the election 4 years ago...he might have won!
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:50 am

Romney doesn't seem to get it
http://www.azcentral.com/news/politics/ ... gifts.html


No wonder Jindal called him out
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/1 ... 33578.html

Not to mention that Romney had his own list of 'Free' stuff to give
Free stuff for young people: Increase spending on pell grants/student loans.
Free heathcare via the emergency room.
Free stuff for seniors: Increase spending on Medicare (because Obamacare cut it!).
Free stuff for military contractors because of increase spending on the Military.
Free stuff for the 1%: Reduced taxes
Free stuff for corporations: Reduce taxes.
Free stuff for oil companies: remove 'expensive' regulations/government fees.

Yeah, being facetious on the last part of my post, but its thursday morning and i got this terrible coffee that I have to drink...

And on other news...

John Metz, Denny's Franchisee And Hurricane Grill & Wings Owner, Imposes Surcharge For Obamacare
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/1 ... 22412.html
"If I leave the prices the same, but say on the menu that there is a 5 percent surcharge for Obamacare, customers have two choices. They can either pay it and tip 15 or 20 percent, or if they really feel so inclined, they can reduce the amount of tip they give to the server, who is the primary beneficiary of Obamacare," Metz told The Huffington Post. "Although it may sound terrible that I'm doing this, it's the only alternative. I've got to pass the cost on to the consumer."
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Shoju » Thu Nov 15, 2012 7:55 am

No, it's not that Romney doesn't get it. The GOP doesn't get it.



Yahoo Article wrote:...because nominee Mitt Romney did not respond to criticism strongly enough or outline a specific agenda with a broad appeal.

"We need to figure out what we did right and what we did wrong, how we can improve our tone, our message, our technology, our turnout — all the things that are required to win elections," McDonnell said. "We are disappointed, but we are not discouraged."

"They spent all their time making Mitt Romney unacceptable and making him out to be someone who was untrustworthy and unacceptable to enough of the American people — and it worked," Iowa Gov. Terry Branstad said in an interview."

"In the hallways at the conference, the governors and their top advisers uniformly blamed Romney's loss on an uneven communications strategy. They said Romney allowed himself to be branded a corporate raider who put the interests of the wealthy above those of middle-income voters."


Yep. Totally just a Romney Problem. Total all about communications. Totally all about making Romney out to be a smarmy bastard.

It had nothing to do with their archaic batshit stupidity over

Abortion
Rape
Gay Rights
The Latino Community
The African American Community
The Female Population.

It's all because they are technologically backward dolts who couldn't find a way to get the bully to stop throwing rocks at their best guy.

Man... They are absolutely clueless.
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