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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Brekkie » Sat Nov 10, 2012 1:42 pm

Haha yeah, so true.

When Petraeus was visiting one time he sent word that he wanted a SIPR and a NIPR laptop in his hotel room. And when we were like "errr....yeah..... we can't do that..." he threw a fit.

Then when he arrived he threw a fit again because the laptop they had for him to use during the car ride didn't already have all his favorite websites bookmarked for him.

Also, his advance party sent word ahead that it was absolutely CRITICAL that there be a supply of Atomic Fireballs candy available for him at all times. So here we are in the middle of the desert trying to figure out how the hell we are going to somehow get some Atomic Fireballs within a couple days.

Freaking generals dude, I swear to god.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Levantine » Sat Nov 10, 2012 5:04 pm

Sounds like a fucking drama queen. If I didn't know it was about a CIA dude I'd think it was about Beyonce or some other celebrity diva. D:
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Brekkie » Sat Nov 10, 2012 6:17 pm

That aint nothin.

Me and a couple other Marines were supposed to be having a meeting with the Secretary of Defense, and got told our meeting was delayed because he was still enjoying his nap.

It was that moment when I decided that one day I will be that powerful.


p.s. One thing I've realized about myself is that I base a decent amount of my opinion on various political figures directly on how they treat their staff. Hilary, for example, is cool as hell. Rumsfeld, I'm told, was a gigantic douchenugget to everyone who worked for him.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Torquemada » Sat Nov 10, 2012 7:31 pm

Brekkie wrote:That aint nothin.

Me and a couple other Marines were supposed to be having a meeting with the Secretary of Defense, and got told our meeting was delayed because he was still enjoying his nap.

It was that moment when I decided that one day I will be that powerful.


p.s. One thing I've realized about myself is that I base a decent amount of my opinion on various political figures directly on how they treat their staff. Hilary, for example, is cool as hell. Rumsfeld, I'm told, was a gigantic douchenugget to everyone who worked for him.


Yeah, they all theink they're rock stars with giant riders on their contracts. Members of our division band used to have to go to the CG's house down at Yongsan in Seoul(God forbid he live up at Camp Red Cloud with the rest of us) and play country music for him and his wife every night while he drank beer before bed. It's not just the ones who get caught who let it go to their heads.

Absolutely agree with your statement about how folks treat people. General Thurman, my other old CG, is cool as hell and currently the USFK commander. General Hammond, the guy who succeeded him at 4th ID, was a douchenozzle of the highest order. There's a General who shares my last name but is no relation, and he's really down to earth. I worked for the White House for about 2 years during Dubya's presidency. Cheney and Rummy were straight up dicks, but Bush was really, really cool to work with/for. Call him stupid if you feel you must, or disagree with his politics and policies if you want, but he was very good to his staff.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Passionario » Sun Nov 11, 2012 12:58 am

Sagara wrote:Worst part? That he would say that sounds BELIEVABLE. I guess that's the line between satire and horror stories?

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:16 am

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/e ... me?ref=fpb

Also, some Tea Party schadenfreude
http://www.kansascity.com/2012/11/10/39 ... tives.html

And Southerner Governors think hating Obama is more important than helping the poor
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/0 ... 03384.html
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Shoju » Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:33 am

Klaudandus wrote:http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/cathy-mcmorris-rodgers-gop-doesnt-need-to-become?ref=fpb

Also, some Tea Party schadenfreude
http://www.kansascity.com/2012/11/10/39 ... tives.html

And Southerner Governors think hating Obama is more important than helping the poor
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/0 ... 03384.html



The Kansas one made me think of this, I saw on George Takei's Facebook recently.

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To the citizens of the United States of America from Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II:

In light of your immediate failure to financially manage yourselves and also in recent years your tendency to elect incompetent Presidents of the USA and therefore not able to govern yourselves, we hereby give notice of the revocation of your independence, effective immediately. (You should look up ‘revocation’ in the Oxford English Dictionary.)

Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II will resume monarchical duties over all states, commonwealths, and territories (except Kansas, which she does not fancy).

Your new Prime Minister, David Cameron, will appoint a Governor for America without the need for further elections.

Congress and the Senate will be disbanded. A questionnaire may be circulated sometime next year to determine whether any of you noticed.

To aid in the transition to a British Crown dependency, the following rules are introduced with immediate effect:

1. The letter ‘U’ will be reinstated in words such as ‘colour,’ ‘favour,’ ‘labour’ and ‘neighbour.’ Likewise, you will learn to spell ‘doughnut’ without skipping half the letters, and the suffix ‘-ize’ will be replaced by the suffix ‘-ise.’Generally, you will be expected to raise your vocabulary to acceptable levels. (look up ‘vocabulary’).

2. Using the same twenty-seven words interspersed with filler noises such as ”like’ and ‘you know’ is an unacceptable and inefficient form of communication. There is no such thing as U.S. English. We will let Microsoft know on your behalf. The Microsoft spell-checker will be adjusted to take into account the reinstated letter ‘u' and the elimination of ‘-ize.’

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:09 am

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Shoju » Mon Nov 12, 2012 12:51 pm

Klaudandus wrote:Cuz this is relevant to Shoju
http://www.thedailydolt.com/2012/11/12/ ... mandering/



You know what is absolutely hilarious? There was an initiative on the ballot to redistrict Ohio, It wasn't just defeated, it was beaten to a pulp, and shoved out the door 63.45% to 36.55%.

Most opponents of the bill feared that it would be the beginning of an action to do this very thing to the state. As it is, Obama did win the popular vote by a decenty margin, but he LOST in 70 of 88 counties.

In my county, Obama lost 42% to 56%.

People think I'm crazy when I tell them that Ohio is a terrible place. If you look at the map of Ohio, and look at where Obama won, and where he lost, it's crazy. I hate this state.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Nov 12, 2012 12:56 pm

I believe you. Same goes with Texas... 'cept for Austin and the Rio Grande Valley, all of Texas is red (Houston is purple at times)

The GOP has restructured the districts in Texas several times already, forcing long-serving Dems face each other under the new maps.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:59 am

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/11/ ... tolen.html
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I really need to learn to stop checking American Thinker -- it's bad for my sanity.


Also, wow -- now this is chutzpah
Callista Gingrich on Petraeus: Affairs Are 'Painful' for the Family
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/dav ... -are-painf
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Shoju » Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:32 am

Klaudandus wrote:http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/11/was_the_2012_election_stolen.html

I really need to learn to stop checking American Thinker -- it's bad for my sanity.


I want to punch you for putting that link on here. That was.... ugh. painful to read.


Also, wow -- now this is chutzpah
Callista Gingrich on Petraeus: Affairs Are 'Painful' for the Family
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/dav ... -are-painf


This is humor.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:40 am

Yeah, I wont be posting American Potato links here anymore...
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Sagara » Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:41 am

Shoju wrote:
Klaudandus wrote:http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/11/was_the_2012_election_stolen.html

I really need to learn to stop checking American Thinker -- it's bad for my sanity.


I want to punch you for putting that link on here. That was.... ugh. painful to read.


Funny thing is, this reminds me more and more of the official forum's and MMO-Champ's conspiracy theories threads.

"Look at this info, then at this one. Now think like me and ignore everything else! Blizzard is screwing us over! It's a CONSPIRACY by Zarhym and GC!!"
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Nooska » Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:03 am

Well I saw Zarhym say he was the mastermind straight oy granted, it was in cartoon form on the daily blink, but gosh darn it, he said it straight out!)
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:15 am

I could make a case that blizzard has some cognitive dissonance right now, not unlike republicans

Zarhym wrote:Another sticking point is you brought up being forced to either do dailies or PvP. Why? Looking only
at progression of character power at 90, do you not want to do scenarios, dungeons, or raids? What
pushes you into reputation progression such that you feel you have to do it x9 and burn out on the
game?
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Sabindeus » Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:33 pm

Klaudandus wrote:I could make a case that blizzard has some cognitive dissonance right now, not unlike republicans

Zarhym wrote:Another sticking point is you brought up being forced to either do dailies or PvP. Why? Looking only
at progression of character power at 90, do you not want to do scenarios, dungeons, or raids? What
pushes you into reputation progression such that you feel you have to do it x9 and burn out on the
game?


... huh? what's wrong with what Zarhym's saying here?
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Nooska » Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:37 pm

^wondering the same thing - remember context, he is replying to someone saying he is forced to do it on 9 alts already, making him quit the game at this point.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Brekkie » Tue Nov 13, 2012 5:43 pm

Interested to see how the new Cabinet fills out.

Hoping for Jon Huntsman as the new Secretary of State to replace outgoing Hilary. He'd make a great bipartisan pick, and I like him a lot more than Kerry.
Ultimately our most important foreign country to get negotiations with *right* is China, and as an extremely successful and popular Ambassador to China who had good rapport with the people and speaks fluent Mandarin, Huntsman is the best choice. (Iran is more of a National Security/Intelligence issue than a Diplomatic Relations issue. The SecState is pretty limited in what they can do with regards to Iran since we don't have diplomatic relations with them, so to me it makes more sense for this cabinet pick to be mainly focused on China.)

Leon Panetta is on his way out as Secretary of Defense, which is probably for the best because it was never really a good fit for him in my opinion. He was appointed to demonstrate the administration's seriousness when it comes to DoD contributing to deficit reduction, and has accomplished that job. We need someone new, ideally a veteran themselves, who can now take the DoD forward and demonstrate that while the military will be leaner and more focused it will not be gutted mindlessly.
Probably best to keep this seat with a Democrat, to avoid any temptation for a Republican SecDef to use the authority of the position to score cheap politic points by making statements to the press whenever the military doesn't get its way.
I would mind seeing this seat go to a woman either, just for the priceless reaction of some of the fundamentalist-neoconservative Generals.

Secretary of the Treasury will be an important pick, and another opportunity for a bipartisan peace gesture to help make up for some of the anti-business rhetoric. It will likely stay with a democrat though, just so the administration presents a united front.

Secretary of the Interior could be given to a Republican as well. Most of the land owned by the DoI is in midwestern Red States, so it's a logical fit to pick someone from there who is familiar with the regional issues.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Skye1013 » Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:30 pm

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/20 ... petitions/

So... if Texas successfully secedes... does that mean I'm no longer a natural-born citizen of the US?
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby bldavis » Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:45 pm

if they do, i guess they are the lone star republic again
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Torquemada » Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:58 pm

Brekkie wrote:Interested to see how the new Cabinet fills out.

I don't think Huntsman is a bad idea at all. He has the experience for this, and the skills, and he's a better choice than many. Plus it keeps him away from DoD and the economy, which were my issues with him for Prez.

As far as DoD, I'm trying to figure out which way Obama's going to go, because I agree that Panetta is not really the person that should be in the seat for the next for years. I see them going with a bureaucrat over a retired general. Maybe one of the previous branch secretaries, or someone who's been on the Armed Services Committee. I could almost see them putting John Kerry in it.

I don't really think anyone could do a worse job than Geitner. Hopefully the new appointee will, I dunno. PAY HIS TAXES before being nominated.

I'm not really sure who they'll pick for the other cabinets, nor am I much concerned. I'm far more interested in who will replace Petraeus as D/CIA, whether they'll replace the ODNI, and whether General Allen is hosed by the current scandal and gets booted out. They already have a replacement for him at ISAF, but no idea who'll get set up for NATO commander now. Maybe General Thurman, who's at USFK now and went through nominations at the same time as Allen. Doubt it, but I would love to work for JD again.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby econ21 » Wed Nov 14, 2012 2:46 am

Damn, during the election, I really took a dislike to Romney (from a European left position) as he seemed to ooze insincerity. Then this morning I came across this off the record exchange he had with a conservative radio presenter on Mormonism and abortion that has made me totally question that prejudice:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... c=obinsite

I agree with the Slate article commentary - I wish we had seen more of this Romney, sincere, articulate, forceful and intellectually supple.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Torquemada » Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:13 am

He ran as a politician. You saw the same thing with Bob Dole in 1996. He went on SNL and was witty, funny, and almost charismatic, and it was like, "Where the hell was this guy during the election?"

Politicians are like rock stars. They have image consultants and managers who tell them what they have to say and do, and sculpt and mould them over time into what they think that John Q. Public wants to vote for: America, apple pie, kissing babies, etc. I don't support much of Obama's platform, and he is incredibly artificial/scripted, but he managed to present the appearance that he isn't, and that's extremely novel at the presidential level of politics.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:38 am

I think that's why people like Joe Biden a lot -- he's full of gaffes, but damn if the guy doesn't appear human

This speech is just moving as hell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwZ6UfXm410
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