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Re: Election 2012

Postby Amirya » Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:10 pm

Am I a bad person for finding it fucking hilarious that Romney's supporters at HQ were crying when he was projected to lose?
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Re: Election 2012

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:16 pm

Amirya wrote:Am I a bad person for finding it fucking hilarious that Romney's supporters at HQ were crying when he was projected to lose?

They're moving to canada?
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Re: Election 2012

Postby Amirya » Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:25 pm

I don't know if I'd wish that bunch on Nika, Invis, and the others in Canada.
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Re: Election 2012

Postby Brekkie » Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:28 pm

Amirya wrote:Am I a bad person for finding it fucking hilarious that Romney's supporters at HQ were crying when he was projected to lose?



My favorite part was when Candy Crowley happened to be on screen for CNN, and they started booing and screaming at her that it was her fault and throwing things at the screen.

I also like how there isn't a SINGLE non-white person in that entire auditorium.
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Re: Election 2012

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:29 pm

funny part is that if they go to canada, they might start loving socialist healthcare
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/permission ... -care.html

Also, at least we can finally stop talking about that stupid Redskins Rule
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Re: Election 2012

Postby Amirya » Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:32 pm

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Amirya wrote:Am I a bad person for finding it fucking hilarious that Romney's supporters at HQ were crying when he was projected to lose?



My favorite part was when Candy Crowley happened to be on screen for CNN, and they started booing and screaming at her that it was her fault and throwing things at the screen.

I also like how there isn't a SINGLE non-white person in that entire auditorium.

Non-whites are part of the 47%.

Obviously. :D
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Re: Election 2012

Postby bldavis » Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:34 pm

Klaudandus wrote:funny part is that if they go to canada, they might start loving socialist healthcare
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/permission ... -care.html

Also, at least we can finally stop talking about that stupid Redskins Rule

but the world series rule is still in effect
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Re: Election 2012

Postby Skye1013 » Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:12 am

Brekkie wrote:In other news, Maryland has upheld their Gay Marriage law, and Colorado has voted to legalize Marajuana.

Maine and Washington passed Gay Marriage laws as well.

And Montana (I think) was against Marijuana.
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Re: Election 2012

Postby Erendis » Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:34 am

I'm just glad it's over.

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Re: Election 2012

Postby Amirya » Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:58 am

Goddamnit all.

Just goddamnit all. We're screwed.
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Re: Election 2012

Postby Aubade » Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:07 am

/whew. Now I can go back to not hearing about politics every 5 minutes.

Outside of the next week of republican bitching of electoral colleges.

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Re: Election 2012

Postby KysenMurrin » Wed Nov 07, 2012 2:08 am

From what I've heard, these are some of the firsts from yesterday's Senate elections: First disabled woman, first openly gay woman, first asian woman, first female combat veteran.

New Hampshire first state with all-female Congressional delegation.

18 female Senators will be serving in 2013, a record high.


In other news, Puerto Rico voted narrowly in favour of changing its relationship to the US, and 65% said they would favour statehood rather than independance.
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Re: Election 2012

Postby bldavis » Wed Nov 07, 2012 2:22 am

i am a bit saddened that oregon did not join CO and WA in legalizing cannabis
would have made our biggest cash crop into a viable taxable revenue source
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Re: Election 2012

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Nov 07, 2012 5:39 am

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Re: Election 2012

Postby Gab » Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:03 am

bldavis wrote:i am a bit saddened that oregon did not join CO and WA in legalizing cannabis
would have made our biggest cash crop into a viable taxable revenue source


Just a matter of time now. Can't wait to see how the feds react.
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Re: Election 2012

Postby Shoju » Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:08 pm

My kids were very interested in this election cycle. When my 7 year old daughter saw that Mitt was losing when she went to bed last night (still pretty early in the night), she sang

Ding Dong the Mitt is gone
The wicked Mitt The wicked Mitt
Ding Dong the Wicked Mitt is gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooone.

I just about lost it. God that kid cracks me up.
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Re: Election 2012

Postby Koatanga » Wed Nov 07, 2012 3:08 pm

My 7-year-old is learning about American politics in school (we're in New Zealand for those who don't know). She told her teacher she was afraid if Romney got elected that he'd bomb California.

I swear we don't teach her this stuff.
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Re: Election 2012

Postby Paxen » Wed Nov 07, 2012 3:11 pm

So how about Nate Silver getting every single state right?

Even over here there's been discussion about how the media has claimed the election was too close to call even though Silver has said for months that Obama had something like an 80% chance to win. Can't imagine that debate going away now, or that it shouldn't be even more important in the US.
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Re: Election 2012

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Nov 07, 2012 3:14 pm

Some of the right wing websites are going full derp mode after the election --

http://www.dickmorris.com/why-i-was-wrong/?Fark
http://www.redstate.com/mikehammond/201 ... -election/
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/11/0 ... e-Freakout
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/11/ ... from-here/
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/11/ ... vor-obama/
http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/win-or-lose- ... president/
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Gotta love this nugget from Redstate

Which is pretty incredible if the widespread reports of Republican enthusiasm and GOTV reaching levels not seen in at least a decade are accurate...perhaps it goes to show we cannot lose 70%+ of the minority vote anymore.

Gender gap apparently was visible too: men voted Romney, women, inexplicably supported Obama

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Re: Election 2012

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Nov 07, 2012 3:15 pm

Paxen wrote:So how about Nate Silver getting every single state right?

Even over here there's been discussion about how the media has claimed the election was too close to call even though Silver has said for months that Obama had something like an 80% chance to win. Can't imagine that debate going away now, or that it shouldn't be even more important in the US.


Flex posted a great article on Nate Silver on the sports forums.
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Re: Election 2012

Postby Flex » Wed Nov 07, 2012 3:22 pm

Paxen wrote:So how about Nate Silver getting every single state right?

Even over here there's been discussion about how the media has claimed the election was too close to call even though Silver has said for months that Obama had something like an 80% chance to win. Can't imagine that debate going away now, or that it shouldn't be even more important in the US.


He started as baaseball statistics guy and faced the same push back and counter-arguments there that he did in politics. Numbers don't tell you everything, sometimes the gut test tells you more, etc. Just a bunch of old schoolers fighting against the young upstart in glasses.

The best part, as was pointed out, was he dabbles in probability. If Romney won he'd still be right as his model predicted a Romney win ~10% of the time.
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Re: Election 2012

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Nov 07, 2012 4:30 pm

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Re: Election 2012

Postby Skye1013 » Wed Nov 07, 2012 4:51 pm

Going to change the thread title to reflect that this is pretty much the politics thread and the 2012 election is officially over.
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Re: Election 2012

Postby Brekkie » Wed Nov 07, 2012 5:09 pm

I think the most important thing to look at here is what happened with Congress:

Democrats won every single Senate race that was competitive. Every single one. They expanded their Senate Majority by 2 seats, plus 1 additional Independent who caucuses with them.

In the House of Representatives, Republicans are trying to point to the fact that they retained their majority as evidence that there is no clear mandate in this election, but the Democrats gains seats there as well. It looks like the Democrats will gain a total of about 10 seats.
The Democrats had needed 25 seats to flip to gain the majority, but they were fighting uphill due to the fact that when all the Tea Party candidates were swept in in the 2010 mid-term elections a large number of State legislatures turned Republican as well, just in time to get to redraw all the district lines following the 2010 census. The Republican state legislatures happily gerrymandered the new districts for all they were worth, shoring up their weakest candidates and making many safe democrat seats exposed. The fact that Democrats not only defeated this move, but made gains in the house in the face of it, speaks volumes.
Many Tea Party freshmen representatives were thrown out of office. Even Michelle Bachmann barely held onto her seat by the skin of her teeth.


So the GOP can bitterly fight to the death and continue to refuse to compromise if they want to. But it is likely to be a losing strategy. The tide of disgust will likely continue in the next mid-term election 2 years from now.

Not to mention, the Democrats hold all the initiative. The Fiscal Cliff is coming. If the House Republicans refuse to compromise, the Democrats can simply let current law go into effect, and then just legislate middle class tax cuts immediately after the fact to make their agenda occur anyway. Republicans would suffer more from sequestration than Democrats would, so their hands are tied.
Meanwhile, Obamacare and Dodd-Frank financial regulation will go ahead as planned, with little the Republicans can do to stop it.

The popular vote (which Republican commentators were trying to take solace in prior to the West Coast being counted) has a 3 million lead for Obama and climbing.
Obama won by large margins in every single major demographic except rural white people over 45.

There is about as clear a mandate as you would ever likely see in American politics.
The GOP is going into an existential crisis. They have to do something, because the tide of demographics is against them, and will only get worse. If they stay the current course, they risk irrelevance.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Koatanga » Wed Nov 07, 2012 5:42 pm

I heard that in many districts, the fastest-growing segment of the voting population (Hispanics) was 70% or greater in favour of Obama. That's devastating to the Republicans and will take generations to correct.
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