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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Fridmarr » Fri May 09, 2014 6:55 am

Fivelives wrote:the only difference is that this time it's a president's wife instead of some college sophomore.

That's like saying a hurricane is just rain, the "only" difference is the 100mph winds. That difference makes it a different thing altogether.

I have no problems with her tweet. We're talking it about, so maybe it was reasonably effective at its intended purpose. But I can certainly understand how that sort of statement can also be eye-roll inducing.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Fivelives » Fri May 09, 2014 3:02 pm

It's eye-roll inducing because it's an example of "slacktivism" from an otherwise powerful person. But I can understand and agree with what she's trying to do with it - twitter and facebook are powerful tools (if you doubt that, look at the revolution in Egypt and the constitution rewrite in Iceland) - but in the US they haven't been used to affect policy at all.

With our hard line stance on negotiating with terrorists, I doubt this will change anything. No amount of "awareness" is going to fix the problem even if it could motivate an otherwise apathetic executive branch to want to change our policy on official negotiations. I would almost hesitate to say it has the probability of backfiring in a massive way. Just because our "official" policy is that we don't negotiate with terrorists, doesn't mean that back channel negotiations don't happen every day. Raising awareness of the issue will shine a light on those things that, by their very nature, HAVE to stay in the dark alleys of politics.

In other news, I had a doctor's appointment this morning, and Faux Noise is still beating the Benghazi drum. Dubya Tee Effing Eff.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Io.Draco » Fri May 09, 2014 3:25 pm

I think republicans should stfu when it comes to Benghazi, didn't they after all strongly push Obama to get involved in the civil war there? Well you get what you deserve by supporting one side in a chaotic mess, a side formed by dozens of groups vying for power.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Fri May 09, 2014 4:42 pm

Benghazi comes off as a giant circle jerk for the right wing.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby fuzzygeek » Fri May 09, 2014 11:55 pm

It's not the lie that kills you, it's the cover up.

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Brekkie » Sun May 11, 2014 9:57 pm

fuzzygeek wrote:Also, in case you didn't know, Real Men don't buy girls.


This shit is the new "Kony 2012".

Klaudandus wrote:Benghazi comes off as a giant circle jerk for the right wing.


It's red meat for the base to try and boost election turn-out. That's all.
I'd estimate that probably 80% of the Republican politicians who make a big deal out of it for the media admit deep down in their heart of hearts that it is just a tool.

A friend of a friend is the poor CIA analyst weenie in DC who has to give the Classified congressional briefings on Benghazi. The poor guy has the entire thing memorized because he's given it so many times now. And every single time goes the exact same way:
>Some GOP Congressman goes on Fox News and DEMANDS to know the TRUTH about Benghazi!
>CIA compliantly sets up a private briefing for the outraged Congressmen.
>NOBODY shows up. Just a staffer or two who sit quietly and listen to make sure the classified briefing hasn't changed.
>Next day, the same Congressmen get back on Fox News DEMANDING to know why the CIA WON'T brief them! What is Obama hiding????
>Repeat x100


From the GOP perspective, the truth honestly doesn't matter. Benghazi has served it's purpose. It fits into a narrative that gets their voters pissed off, and they know that everybody who has the security clearance to call them out on their bullshit can't.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Mon May 12, 2014 4:16 am

Brekkie wrote:
fuzzygeek wrote:Also, in case you didn't know, Real Men don't buy girls.


This shit is the new "Kony 2012".

Klaudandus wrote:Benghazi comes off as a giant circle jerk for the right wing.


It's red meat for the base to try and boost election turn-out. That's all.
I'd estimate that probably 80% of the Republican politicians who make a big deal out of it for the media admit deep down in their heart of hearts that it is just a tool.

A friend of a friend is the poor CIA analyst weenie in DC who has to give the Classified congressional briefings on Benghazi. The poor guy has the entire thing memorized because he's given it so many times now. And every single time goes the exact same way:
>Some GOP Congressman goes on Fox News and DEMANDS to know the TRUTH about Benghazi!
>CIA compliantly sets up a private briefing for the outraged Congressmen.
>NOBODY shows up. Just a staffer or two who sit quietly and listen to make sure the classified briefing hasn't changed.
>Next day, the same Congressmen get back on Fox News DEMANDING to know why the CIA WON'T brief them! What is Obama hiding????
>Repeat x100


From the GOP perspective, the truth honestly doesn't matter. Benghazi has served it's purpose. It fits into a narrative that gets their voters pissed off, and they know that everybody who has the security clearance to call them out on their bullshit can't.


Could it be this report?
http://www.intelligence.senate.gov/beng ... nghazi.pdf

But you're right, they keep asking the same questions, they have already been given the answers, but they either ignore 'em or just don't like the answers they're getting...
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Mon May 12, 2014 4:16 pm

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Brekkie » Mon May 12, 2014 4:50 pm

Klaudandus wrote:Could it be this report?
http://www.intelligence.senate.gov/beng ... nghazi.pdf


No. That is the Senate Intelligence Committee's report. It was created by the senators on that committee (well, their staffers...).

It is, of course, based on the information the CIA and DOS provided that committee in their investigation, so it effectively amounts to the same thing. It gives an accurate picture of the events.

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Brekkie » Mon May 12, 2014 10:46 pm

So, in other news, I have an interview for a job working on the campaign staff of a Democratic gubernatorial candidate for the state of Rhode Island tomorrow. This will be interesting. I've never done anything like this before, and I expect it to be a huge learning experience. Definitely not how I expected to spend my summer.

I'd be working for the campaign of Clay Pell. He is the grandson of the late Senator Claiborne Pell, whose legacy is the Pell Grants (taxpayer-funded college scholarships for poor students, to the tune of a maximum of around $5000/year).
Clay Pell is a veteran of the Coast Guard, where he served as a lawyer. He was appointed to President Obama's National Security Staff where he served as Director of Strategic Planning, and then subsequently was appointed as a Deputy Undersecretary of Education in the Department of Education. He is very intelligent, graduating from Harvard and Georgetown Law School, and speaking Chinese, Arabic, and Spanish fluently. He is also married to former Olympic figure skater Michelle Kwan.


To be honest, the odds are against him, though it is still four and a half months before the Primary election. He is up against two formidable opponents who are both polling twice as high as him, mainly due to the fact that they have much better name recognition.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~Below is my analysis of the political environment~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Gina Raimondo, the current state General Treasurer, is probably the favorite. On her own initiative as Treasurer, she tackled the state's looming public pension crisis and negotiated a massive overhaul that passed with huge majorities in both houses of the legislature, reduced the unfunded liability of the state by $3 Billion (Context: the state's annual budget is about $6.5 Billion), and saved taxpayers another $4 Billion. She's quite popular with pretty much everybody except the public sector unions as a result, and has been so successful at fundraising that she broke records by gathering more than $700,000 of donations.

The other candidate, Angel Taverez, is the current mayor of the city of Providence (the only city in the state of Rhode Island). As a Dominican-American, he enjoys strong support from the large Latino population. As mayor, he has quite good approval ratings at 63.9%, and has a relatively uncontroversial record in contrast to Gina Raimondo, though its unclear if he has broader appeal beyond his base.

Clay Pell has a few things going for him:
-A famous name and a famous wife can't hurt. Older voters certain remember his grandfather very fondly.
-He has a hefty war chest. He donated $2 Million of his own money to his campaign.
-He has also pledged to not take money from any PACs or lobbying groups, which is a line of attack he can use against his rivals that will play well with the Democratic voters.
-He has good credentials in the area of Education. The teachers union recently endorsed him, which is big as well.
-He's a political outsider. Rhode Island is notorious for it's "who-you-know" cronyism political culture, and the state was scandalized in recent years by the high-profile bankruptcy of a video game company the state guaranteed millions of dollars of loans for.

The later is a double-edged sword. Pell has never held elected office, only appointed positions. Some critics are also trying to brand him as a carpet-bagger with only weak ties to the state. Politifact had to actually do an analysis of whether he had even spent a full year living in Rhode Island in his lifetime (they determined that he had).

Although his resume hasn't lent him much momentum, it hasn't made him any enemies either, which is not true for Gina or Angel. Although they have large number of current supporters compared to Clay, if Gina or Angel are to win, they will have to win over voters who are not fond of them. Clay doesn't have much of a base to start out with, but he may be able to convince enough people to see him as an alternative.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


So the bottom line is that Clay Pell probably won't win, but he has a good enough chance that he is a serious contender.

I figure that it would be an interesting experience to work on his campaign team, and the fact that he is both an outsider and not a front-runner means that I will likely have a position of much greater responsibility than I would if I worked for either of his opponents (who already had preexisting entourages of staff members).

He's also not nobody, and it will likely be a great networking experience, and potentially a stepping-stone to something bigger in the future.



I'll let you guys know how it goes.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Nooska » Tue May 13, 2014 3:06 am

That sounds VERY interetsing Brekkie
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Tue May 13, 2014 4:18 am

Brekkie wrote:I'll let you guys know how it goes.


The Curt Schilling fiasco is a good line of attack: http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/05/ ... -on-bonds/

Specially if lawmakers decide to default and get a huge rate hike rather than pay the loan at face value.

The whole thing sucked, that's fer sure.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Skye1013 » Tue May 13, 2014 6:41 am

Darrell Trigg for President?
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No show or movie will be allowed on T.V. systems or computer systems accessible by homes that contain nudity, strong sexual content, excessive foul language, blasphemy, or any form of homosexuality.

...
If you take it as written, it says you don’t get any TV or Internet if the home contains nudity, foul language, blasphemy, and homosexuality. Well, okay, but if they can’t watch TV and surf the internet, I’d expect the streets to be full of naked cursing gay people in short order.

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby fuzzygeek » Tue May 13, 2014 8:22 am

Brekkie wrote:I'll let you guys know how it goes.


Best of luck. It'd be interesting to see what you could say from the inside of a machine.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Tue May 13, 2014 10:37 am

Skye1013 wrote:Darrell Trigg for President?
Jim Wright wrote:8. The rating system for movies and T.V. shows will be drastically overhauled :

No show or movie will be allowed on T.V. systems or computer systems accessible by homes that contain nudity, strong sexual content, excessive foul language, blasphemy, or any form of homosexuality.

...
If you take it as written, it says you don’t get any TV or Internet if the home contains nudity, foul language, blasphemy, and homosexuality. Well, okay, but if they can’t watch TV and surf the internet, I’d expect the streets to be full of naked cursing gay people in short order.

One of my favorite parts.


Then they better not allow the bible either. Remember, the bible discusses a former prostitute and her egyptian lovers, whom according to her, are as endowed as a horse, and they come as the nile river.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Brekkie » Tue May 13, 2014 1:32 pm

So I had my interview today. They want to hire me as a full-time Field Organizer. I'd be in charge of managing a network of volunteers for the southern quarter of the state.

The part I find most interesting is the data-driven system they have for targeting specific voters. There is a whole slew of proprietary software the Democratic party uses which is really super cool.

They are going to consult with their Campaign Manager and make me an offer as far as pay. I'm attending a briefing session next week, and if I accept their offer I'd start at the end of the month.

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Brekkie wrote:I'll let you guys know how it goes.


The Curt Schilling fiasco is a good line of attack: http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/05/ ... -on-bonds/

Specially if lawmakers decide to default and get a huge rate hike rather than pay the loan at face value.

The whole thing sucked, that's fer sure.


All three of the Democratic candidates agree the state should honor its debts and not default. The Republicans favor defaulting on the bonds, which would result in a credit downgrade for the state, but what they think isn't important. Whoever wins the Democratic primary will end up as Governor.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Thu May 15, 2014 10:38 am

http://www.thelocal.de/20140514/one-in- ... ti-semitic

For the record, these are the questions, from their own website.
1. Jews are more loyal to Israel than to [this country/the countries they live in]
2. Jews have too much power in international financial markets
3. Jews have too much control over global affairs
4. Jews think they are better than other people
5. Jews have too much control over the global media
6. Jews are responsible for most of the world's wars
7. Jews have too much power in the business world
8. Jews don't care what happens to anyone but their own kind
9. People hate Jews because of the way Jews behave
10. Jews have too much control over the United States government
11. Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust

I'm jewish and I am borderline anti-semitic according to their poll. >=/

What a load of rubbish.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Koatanga » Thu May 15, 2014 5:47 pm

Klaudandus wrote:http://www.thelocal.de/20140514/one-in-four-germans-deemed-anti-semitic

For the record, these are the questions, from their own website.
1. Jews are more loyal to Israel than to [this country/the countries they live in]
2. Jews have too much power in international financial markets
3. Jews have too much control over global affairs
4. Jews think they are better than other people
5. Jews have too much control over the global media
6. Jews are responsible for most of the world's wars
7. Jews have too much power in the business world
8. Jews don't care what happens to anyone but their own kind
9. People hate Jews because of the way Jews behave
10. Jews have too much control over the United States government
11. Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust

I'm jewish and I am borderline anti-semitic according to their poll. >=/

What a load of rubbish.

So basically you think you're better than the pollsters. Tick off #4 please :)

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Fridmarr » Thu May 15, 2014 8:21 pm

Which of those would you answer "yes" to?
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Io.Draco » Thu May 15, 2014 11:54 pm

How are these questions "Anti-Semitic" I could see a few of them, but the whole package? Seriously.

For me personally I'd answer yes to 1, 3, 9, 10 and especially fucking 11.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Koatanga » Fri May 16, 2014 1:20 am

Personally, I'd answer "no" to all of them, but I'm in New Zealand, which isn't really known for its large Jewish population - or any religious group for that matter. Which in some ways is a pity - we need to import some Poles to make some decent sausage - this British crap is rubbish.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Sagara » Fri May 16, 2014 1:32 am

From here in Belgium, I had a smiliar reaction of "meh", with maybe an exception for 8. We do happen to have a much more heterogenous population, so it's not like there are no Jews around - hell I remember a Jewish school right next to my kindergarden, with armed guards, sniper's dens, the whole shebang.
I'm guessing two root causes is that both communities are too busy crapping on each other and the muslims to bother looking for another scapegoat.

Still, it's funny how perception can drastically change from place to place, even with the Internet slashing right through most of the distance in communication.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby KysenMurrin » Fri May 16, 2014 1:51 am

All the questions are examples of racist stereotypes, so the questions are seeing which racist stereotypes you believe. Even if you're anti-Israel (for questions 3 and 10), if you don't see a problem with the fact those statements address a completely generalised group of "Jews" then you maybe need to take some time to evaluate your feelings on this. (Though there's obviously a strong connection, "Israel" is not all "Jews" and "Jews" does not always mean "Israel".)

Honestly, in a poll like that I think a lot of the positive responses just come from people not thinking deeply enough about what they actually mean, not questioning their automatic response.

But answering "yes" to number 9 is pretty much just flat out saying "Yes, I am a racist."
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Sagara » Fri May 16, 2014 2:26 am

You caught me in a thought-experiment: replace "Jew" with "Muslim" and throw this in Europe.
Hell, I'll push harder and replace with muslim racial stereotyping:

1. Muslims are more loyal to their country of origin than to [this country/the countries they live in]
2. Criminals are Muslim more often than not
3. Muslims have it too easy to enter and live in [this country]
4. Muslims think they are better than other people
5. Muslims want too much control over what's acceptable in the media and the general public
6. Muslims are responsible for most of the world's wars
7. Muslims have too much power in the oil markets
8. Muslims don't care what happens to anyone but their own kind
9. People hate Muslims because of the way Muslims behave
10. Muslims have too much influence over the European government
11. Muslims still talk too much about what happened to them since Israel's founding

Even when many of those are pure racial stereotyping, I *SHUDDER* at the results.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby KysenMurrin » Fri May 16, 2014 5:01 am

The Muslims + oil markets question is another loaded one similar to the Jews + global affairs question (though the Jewish one is using the word "control" to imply Zionist conspiracy, a specific thing that doesn't really have a parallel in Islamophobia). A lot of the world's oil is in Muslim countries, therefore Muslims have very high influence, so the question catches people out. Then again, the implication is that somehow the fact that the people are Muslim is the objectionable thing, so the question remains valid for the purpose.
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