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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Fridmarr » Fri May 09, 2014 6:55 am

Fivelives wrote:the only difference is that this time it's a president's wife instead of some college sophomore.

That's like saying a hurricane is just rain, the "only" difference is the 100mph winds. That difference makes it a different thing altogether.

I have no problems with her tweet. We're talking it about, so maybe it was reasonably effective at its intended purpose. But I can certainly understand how that sort of statement can also be eye-roll inducing.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Fivelives » Fri May 09, 2014 3:02 pm

It's eye-roll inducing because it's an example of "slacktivism" from an otherwise powerful person. But I can understand and agree with what she's trying to do with it - twitter and facebook are powerful tools (if you doubt that, look at the revolution in Egypt and the constitution rewrite in Iceland) - but in the US they haven't been used to affect policy at all.

With our hard line stance on negotiating with terrorists, I doubt this will change anything. No amount of "awareness" is going to fix the problem even if it could motivate an otherwise apathetic executive branch to want to change our policy on official negotiations. I would almost hesitate to say it has the probability of backfiring in a massive way. Just because our "official" policy is that we don't negotiate with terrorists, doesn't mean that back channel negotiations don't happen every day. Raising awareness of the issue will shine a light on those things that, by their very nature, HAVE to stay in the dark alleys of politics.

In other news, I had a doctor's appointment this morning, and Faux Noise is still beating the Benghazi drum. Dubya Tee Effing Eff.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Io.Draco » Fri May 09, 2014 3:25 pm

I think republicans should stfu when it comes to Benghazi, didn't they after all strongly push Obama to get involved in the civil war there? Well you get what you deserve by supporting one side in a chaotic mess, a side formed by dozens of groups vying for power.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Fri May 09, 2014 4:42 pm

Benghazi comes off as a giant circle jerk for the right wing.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby fuzzygeek » Fri May 09, 2014 11:55 pm

It's not the lie that kills you, it's the cover up.

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Brekkie » Sun May 11, 2014 9:57 pm

fuzzygeek wrote:Also, in case you didn't know, Real Men don't buy girls.


This shit is the new "Kony 2012".

Klaudandus wrote:Benghazi comes off as a giant circle jerk for the right wing.


It's red meat for the base to try and boost election turn-out. That's all.
I'd estimate that probably 80% of the Republican politicians who make a big deal out of it for the media admit deep down in their heart of hearts that it is just a tool.

A friend of a friend is the poor CIA analyst weenie in DC who has to give the Classified congressional briefings on Benghazi. The poor guy has the entire thing memorized because he's given it so many times now. And every single time goes the exact same way:
>Some GOP Congressman goes on Fox News and DEMANDS to know the TRUTH about Benghazi!
>CIA compliantly sets up a private briefing for the outraged Congressmen.
>NOBODY shows up. Just a staffer or two who sit quietly and listen to make sure the classified briefing hasn't changed.
>Next day, the same Congressmen get back on Fox News DEMANDING to know why the CIA WON'T brief them! What is Obama hiding????
>Repeat x100


From the GOP perspective, the truth honestly doesn't matter. Benghazi has served it's purpose. It fits into a narrative that gets their voters pissed off, and they know that everybody who has the security clearance to call them out on their bullshit can't.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Mon May 12, 2014 4:16 am

Brekkie wrote:
fuzzygeek wrote:Also, in case you didn't know, Real Men don't buy girls.


This shit is the new "Kony 2012".

Klaudandus wrote:Benghazi comes off as a giant circle jerk for the right wing.


It's red meat for the base to try and boost election turn-out. That's all.
I'd estimate that probably 80% of the Republican politicians who make a big deal out of it for the media admit deep down in their heart of hearts that it is just a tool.

A friend of a friend is the poor CIA analyst weenie in DC who has to give the Classified congressional briefings on Benghazi. The poor guy has the entire thing memorized because he's given it so many times now. And every single time goes the exact same way:
>Some GOP Congressman goes on Fox News and DEMANDS to know the TRUTH about Benghazi!
>CIA compliantly sets up a private briefing for the outraged Congressmen.
>NOBODY shows up. Just a staffer or two who sit quietly and listen to make sure the classified briefing hasn't changed.
>Next day, the same Congressmen get back on Fox News DEMANDING to know why the CIA WON'T brief them! What is Obama hiding????
>Repeat x100


From the GOP perspective, the truth honestly doesn't matter. Benghazi has served it's purpose. It fits into a narrative that gets their voters pissed off, and they know that everybody who has the security clearance to call them out on their bullshit can't.


Could it be this report?
http://www.intelligence.senate.gov/beng ... nghazi.pdf

But you're right, they keep asking the same questions, they have already been given the answers, but they either ignore 'em or just don't like the answers they're getting...
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Mon May 12, 2014 4:16 pm

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Brekkie » Mon May 12, 2014 4:50 pm

Klaudandus wrote:Could it be this report?
http://www.intelligence.senate.gov/beng ... nghazi.pdf


No. That is the Senate Intelligence Committee's report. It was created by the senators on that committee (well, their staffers...).

It is, of course, based on the information the CIA and DOS provided that committee in their investigation, so it effectively amounts to the same thing. It gives an accurate picture of the events.

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Brekkie » Mon May 12, 2014 10:46 pm

So, in other news, I have an interview for a job working on the campaign staff of a Democratic gubernatorial candidate for the state of Rhode Island tomorrow. This will be interesting. I've never done anything like this before, and I expect it to be a huge learning experience. Definitely not how I expected to spend my summer.

I'd be working for the campaign of Clay Pell. He is the grandson of the late Senator Claiborne Pell, whose legacy is the Pell Grants (taxpayer-funded college scholarships for poor students, to the tune of a maximum of around $5000/year).
Clay Pell is a veteran of the Coast Guard, where he served as a lawyer. He was appointed to President Obama's National Security Staff where he served as Director of Strategic Planning, and then subsequently was appointed as a Deputy Undersecretary of Education in the Department of Education. He is very intelligent, graduating from Harvard and Georgetown Law School, and speaking Chinese, Arabic, and Spanish fluently. He is also married to former Olympic figure skater Michelle Kwan.


To be honest, the odds are against him, though it is still four and a half months before the Primary election. He is up against two formidable opponents who are both polling twice as high as him, mainly due to the fact that they have much better name recognition.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~Below is my analysis of the political environment~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Gina Raimondo, the current state General Treasurer, is probably the favorite. On her own initiative as Treasurer, she tackled the state's looming public pension crisis and negotiated a massive overhaul that passed with huge majorities in both houses of the legislature, reduced the unfunded liability of the state by $3 Billion (Context: the state's annual budget is about $6.5 Billion), and saved taxpayers another $4 Billion. She's quite popular with pretty much everybody except the public sector unions as a result, and has been so successful at fundraising that she broke records by gathering more than $700,000 of donations.

The other candidate, Angel Taverez, is the current mayor of the city of Providence (the only city in the state of Rhode Island). As a Dominican-American, he enjoys strong support from the large Latino population. As mayor, he has quite good approval ratings at 63.9%, and has a relatively uncontroversial record in contrast to Gina Raimondo, though its unclear if he has broader appeal beyond his base.

Clay Pell has a few things going for him:
-A famous name and a famous wife can't hurt. Older voters certain remember his grandfather very fondly.
-He has a hefty war chest. He donated $2 Million of his own money to his campaign.
-He has also pledged to not take money from any PACs or lobbying groups, which is a line of attack he can use against his rivals that will play well with the Democratic voters.
-He has good credentials in the area of Education. The teachers union recently endorsed him, which is big as well.
-He's a political outsider. Rhode Island is notorious for it's "who-you-know" cronyism political culture, and the state was scandalized in recent years by the high-profile bankruptcy of a video game company the state guaranteed millions of dollars of loans for.

The later is a double-edged sword. Pell has never held elected office, only appointed positions. Some critics are also trying to brand him as a carpet-bagger with only weak ties to the state. Politifact had to actually do an analysis of whether he had even spent a full year living in Rhode Island in his lifetime (they determined that he had).

Although his resume hasn't lent him much momentum, it hasn't made him any enemies either, which is not true for Gina or Angel. Although they have large number of current supporters compared to Clay, if Gina or Angel are to win, they will have to win over voters who are not fond of them. Clay doesn't have much of a base to start out with, but he may be able to convince enough people to see him as an alternative.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


So the bottom line is that Clay Pell probably won't win, but he has a good enough chance that he is a serious contender.

I figure that it would be an interesting experience to work on his campaign team, and the fact that he is both an outsider and not a front-runner means that I will likely have a position of much greater responsibility than I would if I worked for either of his opponents (who already had preexisting entourages of staff members).

He's also not nobody, and it will likely be a great networking experience, and potentially a stepping-stone to something bigger in the future.



I'll let you guys know how it goes.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Nooska » Tue May 13, 2014 3:06 am

That sounds VERY interetsing Brekkie
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Tue May 13, 2014 4:18 am

Brekkie wrote:I'll let you guys know how it goes.


The Curt Schilling fiasco is a good line of attack: http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/05/ ... -on-bonds/

Specially if lawmakers decide to default and get a huge rate hike rather than pay the loan at face value.

The whole thing sucked, that's fer sure.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Skye1013 » Tue May 13, 2014 6:41 am

Darrell Trigg for President?
Jim Wright wrote:8. The rating system for movies and T.V. shows will be drastically overhauled :

No show or movie will be allowed on T.V. systems or computer systems accessible by homes that contain nudity, strong sexual content, excessive foul language, blasphemy, or any form of homosexuality.

...
If you take it as written, it says you don’t get any TV or Internet if the home contains nudity, foul language, blasphemy, and homosexuality. Well, okay, but if they can’t watch TV and surf the internet, I’d expect the streets to be full of naked cursing gay people in short order.

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby fuzzygeek » Tue May 13, 2014 8:22 am

Brekkie wrote:I'll let you guys know how it goes.


Best of luck. It'd be interesting to see what you could say from the inside of a machine.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Tue May 13, 2014 10:37 am

Skye1013 wrote:Darrell Trigg for President?
Jim Wright wrote:8. The rating system for movies and T.V. shows will be drastically overhauled :

No show or movie will be allowed on T.V. systems or computer systems accessible by homes that contain nudity, strong sexual content, excessive foul language, blasphemy, or any form of homosexuality.

...
If you take it as written, it says you don’t get any TV or Internet if the home contains nudity, foul language, blasphemy, and homosexuality. Well, okay, but if they can’t watch TV and surf the internet, I’d expect the streets to be full of naked cursing gay people in short order.

One of my favorite parts.


Then they better not allow the bible either. Remember, the bible discusses a former prostitute and her egyptian lovers, whom according to her, are as endowed as a horse, and they come as the nile river.
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