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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Apr 09, 2014 6:32 am

http://www.vox.com/2014/4/8/5594224/stu ... nservative

Whites afraid of being a minority? Why? Are minorities treated like second-class citizens?
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Skye1013 » Thu Apr 10, 2014 10:55 am

Klaudandus wrote:http://www.vox.com/2014/4/8/5594224/study-white-americans-told-theyll-be-a-minority-become-more-conservative

Whites afraid of being a minority? Why? Are minorities treated like second-class citizens?

Minorities are icky and aren't able to hold seats in government and keep their stranglehold on all aspects of life... I mean, if whites were a minority we might end up with a black president...
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Apr 10, 2014 2:07 pm

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Io.Draco » Thu Apr 10, 2014 9:56 pm

Speaking of politics take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalia_Poklonskaya

I am sure some of you may have heard of her but what you likely didn't hear is that she was only offered the job as top Crimean Prosecutor after five of her male colleague were too afraid to take it.

So here's a young woman with bigger balls then many of her male co-workers.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby KysenMurrin » Fri Apr 11, 2014 1:08 pm

Whaddaya know, the NSA has been using the Heartbleed exploit for over two years.

The NSA: Keeping America safe, by exposing the entire global internet to a potentially catastrophic security vulnerability.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Apr 11, 2014 1:35 pm

KysenMurrin wrote:Whaddaya know, the NSA has been using the Heartbleed exploit for over two years.

The NSA: Keeping America safe, by exposing the entire global internet to a potentially catastrophic security vulnerability.


Not surprised at all given this:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2082720/ ... versy.html
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/ ... C220131220
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Paxen » Fri Apr 11, 2014 11:58 pm

Klaudandus wrote:Whites afraid of being a minority? Why? Are minorities treated like second-class citizens?


Well, yes?
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Sat Apr 12, 2014 5:21 am

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Klaudandus wrote:Whites afraid of being a minority? Why? Are minorities treated like second-class citizens?


Well, yes?


It was a rhetorical question, in any case, who is the one treating them like second-class citizens?
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Nooska » Sat Apr 12, 2014 5:57 am

Klaudandus wrote:
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Klaudandus wrote:Whites afraid of being a minority? Why? Are minorities treated like second-class citizens?


Well, yes?


It was a rhetorical question, in any case, who is the one treating them like second-class citizens?


The minority in power.

Also, its rarely the majority that makes a caste system, its a minority in power, usually doing so to stay in power despite being a minority.
Power can be based on control of production, necessary basic resources or actual force of arms (amongst other things).
The slightly less targetted majority will then help enforce the castesystem on anyoneone lower than them, because it helps them have some better stuff.
Basic human psychology so far.

Whats interesting is when we rise above it, when we don't perpetuate the basic way of doing stuff, but decide to rise above our own wants and needs and put the wants and needs of one or more others ahead of our own.

(apologies for the philosophical views, I'm in that sort of political mood lately)
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Apr 14, 2014 1:02 pm

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/2014-pulitz ... velations/

I am perfectly ok with this. (Others might be not, of course)
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby econ21 » Tue Apr 15, 2014 5:48 pm

Io.Draco wrote:I am sure some of you may have heard of her but what you likely didn't hear is that she was only offered the job as top Crimean Prosecutor after five of her male colleague were too afraid to take it.


Afraid? Of what exactly? Being one of Putin's running dogs? That's not exactly a dangerous stance to take in Putin's Crimea. If she had pointed out the illegality of Putin's annexation or stood up to his goons like the unarmed Ukrainian solders in Crimea, I'd regard her as brave. To acquiesce to it as a person supposed to uphold the laws of Ukraine, not so much.

So here's a young woman with bigger balls then many of her male co-workers.


Quite the contrary. I'm impressed that five Crimean lawmakers turned down Putin's gold before she took it. That's what took balls. And it suggests how over-hyped Crimea's affection for its annexation may be, at least among professionals.

BTW, it's quite pathetic how a pretty face can attract such unwarranted internet attention.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Io.Draco » Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:02 am

Afraid? Of what exactly?


Being branded a criminal by Ukraine when the far right has large power in the west? Perhaps being branded a criminal and put on a sanctions list by the west as well. Also it takes courage to speak out on the illegal coup ( and since you care so much about laws then I'd like to know how overthrowing Yanukovich and then dismissing him without a two thirds majority in parliament as the law requires is legal. ) as she did long before Russia intervened in Crimea.

If she had pointed out the illegality of Putin's annexation or stood up to his goons like the unarmed Ukrainian solders in Crimea, I'd regard her as brave. To acquiesce to it as a person supposed to uphold the laws of Ukraine, not so much.


Illegality by whose laws exactly? Ukraine where the law is being spat and shat on by everyone Kiev at the moment, not that it hasn't been like this for the last two decades.

Illegality by UN laws? Laughable. The UN is a glorified meeting hall for diplomats of various countries. There is no international law since no one can enforce it on any country unless countries use political/military/economic force. As it goes with the west so it goes with Russia.

I'm impressed that five Crimean lawmakers turned down Putin's gold before she took it.


Yeah Impressive thing isn't. A bunch of cowardly dogs afraid of being cast in the spotlight.

And it suggests how over-hyped Crimea's affection for its annexation may be, at least among professionals.


You mean those already living comfortable lives with no worry in the world. Ukraine is the poorest countryin Eurpe right now ( how one can beat Moldova is beyond me but they did it ). When you however look at Crimea you see a part of the country which has been underdeveloped for the last 24 years and with large economic issues. Russia, for all it's economic faults has a growing economy, average salaries that are three-four times as high as in Ukraine and a government that promised the Crimeans economic development in the region.

Indeed one of the first things that was done following the takeover was granting Crimea special tax status in Russia along with bills signed that will pour tens of millions in the region. The public support among the masses comes down to simple economics. People want a better life and being part of Russia would offer them that.

Oh but what of the EU, you might ask. Being part of the EU or having closer ties does not lead to higher quality of life. Oh sure businesses might profit from it but the average person? Not so much.

My country, Romania, has been part of the EU for seven years and salaries have not seen any real increase. There was a point where they could have before they were cut by a substantial amount ( 25% ) by the Government. The average salary of most people is around 300 EUROs, or less, and that in itself is not the issue because average salary only matter in relation to prices....prices that are standard across the EU.

We have the same prices for a great of deal of our food as the rest of the EU. Same prices for electronics, appliances etc and only slightly lower prices for utility bills. In contrast a country like Russia has substantially lower prices then we do and they have close to double the average age. For fuck sake even Belarus has higher wages....BELARUS with it's dictator leader.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Nooska » Wed Apr 16, 2014 1:15 am

Having been an EU member for the past 7 years doesn't mean much in that regard - in case you missed it there has been a global financial crisis for 6 of those 7 years which is not yet completely over.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Io.Draco » Wed Apr 16, 2014 1:52 am

A crisis which continues, the EU still has large difficulties in countries like Spain, Italy, Greece and even France and the UK. There are few countries which experience growth and even then it's only marginal growth. My point is that closer ties with the EU or even joining the EU is not a God sent miracle that will significantly improve quality of life. There's an illusion of that in a lot of countries that are not part of the west but I think it's safe to say that a lot of us that are part of the west don't find that to be true.

At the moment in Crimea wages for state workers as well as pensions have increased by two, three times what they were before while prices have only been increased by a mild amount ( although that's temporary until Russia manages to get things sorted ). The only people suffering are private workers...since it's going to take more for them to get stuff worked out.

Corrupt authorities have been replaced by more competent ones: Certainly there is corruption and incompetence in State Institutions in Russia, but it sure as shit doesn't compare to Ukraine.

In mainland Ukraine: Prices for everything have increased as the national currency has lost a great deal of it's value while salaries and pensions are starting to be cut. Russia might be blamed for increased gas prices, not that Kiev has paid Russia a cent since it all began, but it can't be blamed for higher costs on everything else and decreased wages.

When the the myth of "Western Salvation" is finally debunked in Ukraine and people start struggling to survive then you will see the country fall apart. Russia isn't helping it, but why should they? They offered Ukraine large subsidies in gas, a 15 billion loan without the strings attached that come from an IMF one ( Austerity measures ) and what happened? Western Ukraine spat on them instead preferring to beg the EU for help.

We'll see how far the EU can help without provoking large scale protests in the EU capitals: Seriously 15 billion Euro given to fucking Ukraine when we struggle with three major countries here and have large economic issues? Fuck off I say.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby econ21 » Wed Apr 16, 2014 4:01 pm

Io.Draco wrote:Being branded a criminal by Ukraine when the far right has large power in the west?


Yes, I am sure Ukraine is going to invade Crimea and arrest her.

Perhaps being branded a criminal and put on a sanctions list by the west as well.


Of course, I am sure a 34 year old prosecutor will be added to the targeted sanctions and must be trembling at the loss of her Swiss bank accounts.

Also it takes courage to speak out on the illegal coup


No, it looks like 1/3 of the country has no problem speaking out against it. To speak out in favour of Kiev would have been the brave thing to do in Crimea, given that so many of the people there are pro-Russian.

At the moment in Crimea wages for state workers as well as pensions have increased by two, three times what they were before...


So she's not being brave, she's just being bought?

( and since you care so much about laws then I'd like to know how overthrowing Yanukovich and then dismissing him without a two thirds majority in parliament as the law requires is legal. )


Actually, I think we probably agree on this. I'm not keen on popular movements trying to overthrow democratically elected governments - whether in Egypt, Thailand, Venezula or Ukraine. The current international trend towards this is very concerning - it's very destructive of constitutional politics and tends to result in authoritarian strongmen emerging. Much better if possible to wait for the next elections. That said, Yanukovich was apparently very corrupt (i.e. illegal and illegitimate) and repressive.

Illegality by whose laws exactly?


International law. Invading weak neighbours to annex their territory is so 19th century.

Illegality by UN laws? Laughable. The UN is a glorified meeting hall for diplomats of various countries.


Jaw-jaw is better than war-war.

Russia, for all it's economic faults has a growing economy, ....


Forecast close to zero growth this year though - perhaps due to the current adventurism.

My country, Romania, has been part of the EU for seven years and salaries have not seen any real increase.


Cry me a river. My country, the UK, has not done any better. And it's nothing to do with the EU, btw. The global financial crisis of 2008 - the hint is in the name - started in that well known EU state, the USA. I cannot conceive of how leaving the EU - my country's major trading partner - would have made it any easier for the UK to cope with the aftermath. Ditto Romania (I think you avoided joining the Eurozone, which is probably constraining some EU economies such as Greece, which probably have not done well out of the EU).
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Io.Draco » Wed Apr 16, 2014 5:59 pm


Yes, I am sure Ukraine is going to invade Crimea and arrest her. Of course, I am sure a 34 year old prosecutor will be added to the targeted sanctions and must be trembling at the loss of her Swiss bank accounts.


Considering she's been speaking out against the events in Kiev before Russia took over Crimea and when she was actually in Kiev then yes that's courage. She left for Crimea after her resignation in protest was not accepted.

Also it would stop her from traveling to any western country.

No, it looks like 1/3 of the country has no problem speaking out against it. To speak out in favour of Kiev would have been the brave thing to do in Crimea, given that so many of the people there are pro-Russian.


Perhaps. Although they've got tanks rolling in the streets in the eastern part of Ukraine. Also why speak in favor of Kiev? What exactly have they do to merit any praise?

So she's not being brave, she's just being bought?


People were bought overall with promises of a better life. Promises that are being fulfilled. Explain to me why a local citizen in Crimea would oppose the takeover of Russia when you've got some of the most corrupt public institutions in Europe running the show in Kiev. When armed gang men in Kiev threaten to wipe out the Russians in Ukraine ( before Russia intervened ) and an interim PM that is going to raise prices by a substantial amount.

Actually, I think we probably agree on this. I'm not keen on popular movements trying to overthrow democratically elected governments - whether in Egypt, Thailand, Venezula or Ukraine. The current international trend towards this is very concerning - it's very destructive of constitutional politics and tends to result in authoritarian strongmen emerging. Much better if possible to wait for the next elections. That said, Yanukovich was apparently very corrupt (i.e. illegal and illegitimate) and repressive.


Yanukovich is no more repressive and corrupt then those in power right now. What you think they are in any different? They aren't. In fact they worse since at least he didn't order the freaking army against armed protesters in Kiev, and yes they were armed with AKs besides shields and bats.

An army in any country cannot easily be expected to turn on it's own people. You can't send tanks and APCs inside cities to "restore order" and think that will go well. Libya, Syria, Egypt showed that very fucking well.

International law. Invading weak neighbours to annex their territory is so 19th century. Jaw-jaw is better than war-war.


There is no international law, at least not one recognized globally ( or has the International Criminal Court stature been signed let alone ratified world wide? Certainly not, especially by Russia and the US ).

Countries do whatever the fuck they want if they have political/military and economic power to do so. Invading other countries for your own gain is still a thing of the 21st century.

Forecast close to zero growth this year though - perhaps due to the current adventurism.


Still better then many of ours which are in decline.

Cry me a river. My country, the UK, has not done any better. And it's nothing to do with the EU, btw. The global financial crisis of 2008 - the hint is in the name - started in that well known EU state, the USA. I cannot conceive of how leaving the EU - my country's major trading partner - would have made it any easier for the UK to cope with the aftermath. Ditto Romania (I think you avoided joining the Eurozone, which is probably constraining some EU economies such as Greece, which probably have not done well out of the EU).


The point was that for us joining the EU was not a really beneficial move economically, nor would be for Ukraine. The only things they would get would be higher costs then they are paying today just as we got. Oh sure there was an increase in wages but no match for the large price increases.

Consider this. Prices in a country like France are only 2 or 3 times higher, while other prices for food/utilities etc. are only marginally higher, and that's in expensive parts of the country, but wages are 6-10 times higher in France.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Passionario » Wed Apr 16, 2014 11:52 pm

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Nooska » Thu Apr 17, 2014 2:37 am

Last I checked, Russia is a signatory to the UN charter, which specifically states that war of aggresion is illegal (I haven't checked the precise wording).

Also, High food prices or high prices would not be better outside the EU, as you would then also have tolls and duties for import/export. And I think I can say that, as Denmark has the highest consumer prices in the EU (Nota Bene: that statistic is adjusted for income), while also having had the worst gini score change from 2008-2012 in the EU, so for the poor part of the population, its been worse for the poorest since Romania joined the EU, than it has for Romania (or any other EU country).
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Io.Draco » Thu Apr 17, 2014 4:02 am

The UN charter does not define Wars of Aggression, but rather the relevant articles are:

Article 1:
The Purposes of the United Nations are:
To maintain international peace and security, and to that end: to take effective collective measures for the prevention and removal of threats to the peace, and for the suppression of acts of aggression or other breaches of the peace, and to bring about by peaceful means, and in conformity with the principles of justice and international law, adjustment or settlement of international disputes or situations which might lead to a breach of the peace;
To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace; [/quote

Article 2, paragraph 4
All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.
Article 33
The parties to any dispute, the continuance of which is likely to endanger the maintenance of international peace and security, shall, first of all, seek a solution by negotiation, enquiry, mediation, conciliation, arbitration, judicial settlement, resort to regional agencies or arrangements, or other peaceful means of their own choice.
The Security Council shall, when it deems necessary, call upon the parties to settle their dispute by such means.


Now based on that you might make the claim that Russia broke UN "law" with regards to Acts of Aggression ( except the charter is a treaty not a law in itself ), but here's the catch to that.

Article 39
The Security Council shall determine the existence of any threat to the peace, breach of the peace, or act of aggression and shall make recommendations, or decide what measures shall be taken in accordance with Articles 41 and 42, to maintain or restore international peace and security.[13]


So that's the issue here. The Security Council is the only UN body with any real authority that can determine whether or not a country was responsible for a breach of the UN charter. The catch? Veto power on US Security Council resolutions.

Even the International Court of Justice, even if it were to rule that Russia broke it's commitments to the UN, would still be unable to force Russia to comply to it's rulings unless the Security Council passed a binding resolution on the subject, which it never will with Russia vetoing them.

Also, High food prices or high prices would not be better outside the EU, as you would then also have tolls and duties for import/export. And I think I can say that, as Denmark has the highest consumer prices in the EU (Nota Bene: that statistic is adjusted for income), while also having had the worst gini score change from 2008-2012 in the EU, so for the poor part of the population, its been worse for the poorest since Romania joined the EU, than it has for Romania (or any other EU country).


Except that countries like Ukraine and Romania are capable of producing most of their food.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby econ21 » Thu Apr 17, 2014 5:02 am

Io.Draco wrote:In fact they worse since at least he didn't order the freaking army against armed protesters in Kiev, and yes they were armed with AKs besides shields and bats.


The red line for Kiev is the Russian military coming into East Ukraine. They said they don't want to use force against their own people protesting but they will fight if Russia tries to do to East Ukraine what it did to Crimea. The army was called in after those men in green shot up Krammatorsk police station and took the airbase.

Watch the video of the assault of the police station here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27005783

Tell me - how should a government respond to that? It's not a protest - it's a military attack.

And very likely it's a military attack by Russian soldiers. Those same green men, who later captured 6 Ukrainian APCs, seem to be Russian, according to what they said to Western journalists:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/a ... WEML6619I2
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Io.Draco » Thu Apr 17, 2014 5:47 am

The guys in the east right now don't seem that much different then those who were in Kiev who took down Yanukovich. I am supposed to believe that Russian special forces only have a couple of AKs and Molotovs?

This is how the people look in the east who are armed: Old AKs, very few balistic vests and Molotovs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wxEIWu9c94#t=1m40

This is how the troops in Crimea looked: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBLs_AsBtjg#t=3m36s Balistic vests, green uniforms, black AK-100s

Don't believe the crap in the western media, look at other sources as well. Look at footage on the ground yourself at statements from more neutral parties. The head of Finland's intelligence was recently quoted as saying that there no Russian Special Forces in Eastern Ukraine.

Also when the Ukranian military moved it's troops in local people: Men, Women, Elderly stopped them in same cases, in other cases they clashed with unarmed civilians. Ukraine is own it's way towards becoming a failed state.

If any government needs to move in the military against it's own regions and then get confronted by unarmed civilians, beyond the armed confrontations, then that government has failed.

The people in the east want to leave the country and join Russia, or they want federalization of the country and they are willing to fight for that, if the government doesn't understand that only negotiations along with a referendum give the country the only chance it has of staying intact then they are bumbling fools.

As it stands Russia doesn't even need to move it's military to take over Eastern Ukraine. They can just wait for chaos to set in, for basic services to collapse in Ukraine and for the whole country to collapse in anarchy and then take over the pieces that they want.

If the central government had some economic strength, had a loyal military that was well supplied then they could take the regions by forces and impose the rule of law by crushing the rebellion ( human rights issues or not ), but they don't...in fact the oligarchs of Ukraine have had to give the military millions to pay for fuel, food and ammo.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby KysenMurrin » Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:57 am

Io.Draco wrote:As it stands Russia doesn't even need to move it's military to take over Eastern Ukraine. They can just wait for chaos to set in, for basic services to collapse in Ukraine and for the whole country to collapse in anarchy and then take over the pieces that they want.

Which is entirely by design. It's the whole reason Russia is helping to destabilise the country - so they can gain without invading.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Nooska » Thu Apr 17, 2014 7:36 am

Io.Draco wrote:The catch? Veto power on US Security Council resolutions.
[...]
unless the Security Council passed a binding resolution on the subject, which it never will with Russia vetoing them.

See, looking up article 27 (it was easy to find, as I assumed it must be there), its easy to see that Russia couldn't vote against, and thus veto, anything regarding russia in the current case (china on the other hand would possibly veto) - its not the threat of a veto that keeps it from being in teh sec.con., but a matter of not wanting to escalate it further. It is basically a Russia v NATO standoff, where Ukraine is up for grabs, as NATO won't enter militarily. Putin is testing the waters to see how much NATO wants to do, it has NOTHING to do with the lives of the ethnic russians in Ukraine, and everything to do with playing up the cold war that, for Russia, never ended.

Article 27
1. Each member of the Security Council shall have one vote.
2. Decisions of the Security Council on procedural matters shall be made by an affirmative vote of nine members.
3. Decisions of the Security Council on all other matters shall be made by an affirmative vote of nine members including the concurring votes of the permanent members; provided that, in decisions under Chapter VI, and under paragraph 3 of Article 52, a party to a dispute shall abstain from voting.


Also note Article 51
Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security. Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defence shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council under the present Charter to take at any time such action as it deems necessary in order to maintain or restore international peace and security.



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Also, High food prices or high prices would not be better outside the EU, as you would then also have tolls and duties for import/export. And I think I can say that, as Denmark has the highest consumer prices in the EU (Nota Bene: that statistic is adjusted for income), while also having had the worst gini score change from 2008-2012 in the EU, so for the poor part of the population, its been worse for the poorest since Romania joined the EU, than it has for Romania (or any other EU country).


Except that countries like Ukraine and Romania are capable of producing most of their food.

Exception to what?
If its in exception to denmark, thats a false exception. Denmark exports more 1st tier produce than it imports, by a large amount. That doesn't men denamrk could sustain itself tomorrow if we cut off stuff, but you have to remember that denmark has been a member of the EU/EC since 1972 - so the open market has been a fact for so long that it doesn't make sense to try to be selfsuficient on all food fronts for instance - we produce what we can produce well and export it to thos ethat want it (bacon and butter amongst the most noted), and import what we would produce less well from those that prodce it well.

Being able to satisfy the demand for basic products (like food) also isn't a thing that inherently lowers prices, unless in a planned economy (and only hen if the planing is actually functional).

Romania (and the rest of europe) has suffered from an international trust crisis in regards to the financial markets that drive the way the west handles its economy (not just the west) - its purely a crisis of trust, but that affects the value of printed money (including coins), because money has no inherent value, as its basically an agreed upon system of IOUs. Currency is purely based on the trust that the issuing entity will honor the value ascribed - hence why currency fluctuates.

This has happened everywhere.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Io.Draco » Thu Apr 17, 2014 7:59 am

I don't see how that would prevent a Russian veto. Russia can't be kicked out from the security council or be prevent from voting on resolutions.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby KysenMurrin » Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:42 am

The piece Nooska quoted specifically says they'd be required to abstain from voting on matters concerning themselves.


So, how about the latest news: Some group in Donetsk has been handing out fliers outside synagogues claiming that the newly declared pro-Russian local government requires all Jews to register and declare their assets or face deportation. The fliers are marked up as official stuff from the head of that pro-Russian faction, but it's pretty clearly an attempt to discredit them by some other group, by associating them with antisemitism.
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