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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby fuzzygeek » Tue Mar 04, 2014 9:09 am

Anyone seen Passionario lately?
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Mar 04, 2014 9:50 am

fuzzygeek wrote:Anyone seen Passionario lately?


He posted something on the random picture thread
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Io.Draco » Tue Mar 04, 2014 9:51 am

Shoju wrote:Putin just seems like a crazy man, the more that I read. I'm just not sure what to make of the guy.


On the contrary his moves are very well calculated considering what he wants to do in Ukraine.

A crazy man would already have tanks rolling through Kiev by now, but that's not happened has it? Putin took over Crimea while avoiding firing a single shot at the Ukranian troops. Kinda amusing really because he has outmaneuvered the west twice: First it was by invading which many thought would not happen and then second by doing so without actually firing shots and by limiting action to Crimea, for now at least.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Brekkie » Tue Mar 04, 2014 12:50 pm

KysenMurrin wrote:Currently Russia appears to be simultaneously claiming they were invited to send in the troops to protect people, and that they haven't actually sent any troops and the forces in Crimea are local self-defense groups.


This is classic Russian doctrine. They hack the communications infrastructure in the target area to prevent word of what is actually going on from getting out too much, and then flood the news with a bunch of confusing and competing narratives so that nobody has any clear idea what is happening. Plus they defeat expectations by behaving unpredictably.

It's hard for the US to counter their moves if there is a reasonable doubt as to what is actually occurring.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Shoju » Tue Mar 04, 2014 3:05 pm

Io.Draco wrote:
Shoju wrote:Putin just seems like a crazy man, the more that I read. I'm just not sure what to make of the guy.


On the contrary his moves are very well calculated considering what he wants to do in Ukraine.

A crazy man would already have tanks rolling through Kiev by now, but that's not happened has it? Putin took over Crimea while avoiding firing a single shot at the Ukranian troops. Kinda amusing really because he has outmaneuvered the west twice: First it was by invading which many thought would not happen and then second by doing so without actually firing shots and by limiting action to Crimea, for now at least.



But a crazy man wouldn't deny invading.

At least in conversations with UK / US journalists, he swears up and down that he has ordered ZERO troops into Crimea.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Io.Draco » Tue Mar 04, 2014 4:32 pm

But a crazy man wouldn't deny invading.

At least in conversations with UK / US journalists, he swears up and down that he has ordered ZERO troops into Crimea.


Because he wants to make some people believe that his troops are not occupying Crimea The message is not meant for you or me, or anyone in the west. It's meant for people in the east, in particular Russians.

Some suggest that perhaps he was hoping the Ukranians would resist thus giving him a pretext in that he would say there is armed conflict in Crimea and he has to roll the regular army in.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Mar 05, 2014 6:03 am

I just remembered we're dependent of Russia for space flights to the ISS...
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Shoju » Wed Mar 05, 2014 9:30 am

Klaudandus wrote:I just remembered we're dependent of Russia for space flights to the ISS...


WE don't have to be. Musk is in the final stages of testing on his manned Dragon X, and feels he could be ready for manned trips to the ISS relatively quickly. If we needed to not be dependent on Russia, It could be done faster.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Passionario » Thu Mar 06, 2014 6:17 am

fuzzygeek wrote:Anyone seen Passionario lately?

Who?
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Sagara » Thu Mar 06, 2014 8:43 am

Passionario wrote:
fuzzygeek wrote:Anyone seen Passionario lately?

Who?


The tank.

'Nyway, good to read you. How's things look like on your side of the "former" *snicker* Iron Curtain?
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Passionario » Thu Mar 06, 2014 1:05 pm

Sagara wrote:How's things look like on your side of the "former" *snicker* Iron Curtain?

Not entirely unlike Germany circa early 1938.

If all goes according to plan, our family will leave the country in six months and never come back.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Sagara » Fri Mar 07, 2014 12:04 am

Passionario wrote:
Sagara wrote:How's things look like on your side of the "former" *snicker* Iron Curtain?

Not entirely unlike Germany circa early 1938.

If all goes according to plan, our family will leave the country in six months and never come back.


:-/ Best of luck, especially in light of the "Relationship" thread.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:42 pm

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/a ... istian-fai

Of course, when you are dealing with a group of people who get their Constitutional training from the Salon and Russia Today web sites, it is difficult for them to understand that this legislation should never have been written. You see, there is already a law that protects the right of those of the Christian faith to not serve those who are clearly abhorrent to that faith.

It’s called the First Amendment.




The First Amendment was meant only to protect the Christian faith. When the founders spoke of religion, they meant the Christian religion. They did not have to keep saying the Christian religion because everyone knew that is what they were talking about.


Sadly, the original link from this was taken was quickly removed =(
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:29 pm

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Mar 26, 2014 6:13 pm

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/03/26/a ... y-schools/

“The bill states ‘a student may express beliefs about religion in homework, artwork, and other written and oral assignments free from discrimination based on the religious content of their submissions. A student would not be penalized or rewarded on account of the religious content of the student’s work.’”

“At a basic level,” Badash wrote, “a student could merely write ‘God’ on a chemistry test as the answer to a question asking where water comes from. A student could also stand in class and say their religion says that gay people are sinners and going to hell, and that speech would be legally protected.”
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Amirya » Wed Mar 26, 2014 6:30 pm

Just based on the quotes alone, I'm actually not seeing a problem (can't access the story at work). If the student wants to write God as the answer to all the chemistry questions, so what? It would still be wrong, based on what was being studied in chemistry class, and so the student wouldn't penalized for the religious content, but for an incorrect answer.

If a student wants to say their religion says that homosexuals are going to hell as sinners, again, so what? It's their (religious) opinion, it's not necessarily right, and they're entitled to their opinions. Opinions are legally protected, aren't they?

The problem would be when it crosses the line from making a statement about their opinion, and into harrassment.

And people who yell, "HARRASSMENT!" because someone states an opinion really, really, need to grow thicker skin, and grow up. (Emphasis on opinions)

I mean, just because I think blue eyed blondes are pretty doesn't make me a racist.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Kal » Wed Mar 26, 2014 7:20 pm

"...gay people are sinners and going to hell" It's an opinion, sure, and kind of a weak example of bullying. The thing is, the right to that opinion already exists. This isn't a case of "Your rights end where my feelings begin." This is a case of playing the victim card, first off, with the claim that religious beliefs are under attack. Secondly, it prevents school administrators from doing their jobs.

Here's how I see it, from a libertarian perspective: The government cannot give anyone rights; they can only take them away. In this case, it is the school administrator's and teacher's right to resolve conflicts between students in the way they see fit that is being infringed. Students already have the right to state their religious beliefs, and to protect it is redundant.

Still, it's the threat to science education I'm more concerned about. Being closeted all through school (and then the Army, wtf was I thinking?) wasn't as detrimental to my life so far as having been taught Young-Earth Creationism, along with a lot of lies about evolution.

P.S. For anyone interested in reading the text of these bills, check out factn.org. The website is actually in favor of the bill, but it's just the place I found the text in a google search.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Mar 26, 2014 7:38 pm

Amirya wrote:Just based on the quotes alone, I'm actually not seeing a problem (can't access the story at work). If the student wants to write God as the answer to all the chemistry questions, so what? It would still be wrong, based on what was being studied in chemistry class, and so the student wouldn't penalized for the religious content, but for an incorrect answer.

If a student wants to say their religion says that homosexuals are going to hell as sinners, again, so what? It's their (religious) opinion, it's not necessarily right, and they're entitled to their opinions. Opinions are legally protected, aren't they?

The problem would be when it crosses the line from making a statement about their opinion, and into harrassment.

And people who yell, "HARRASSMENT!" because someone states an opinion really, really, need to grow thicker skin, and grow up. (Emphasis on opinions)

I mean, just because I think blue eyed blondes are pretty doesn't make me a racist.


I think the problem is the people will expect not to be penalized in a test for writing GOD...
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Amirya » Thu Mar 27, 2014 12:21 am

Ah, crikey.

This whole week at work has been full of amazingly stupid people (amazingly stupid), and now I realize I was being an optimist. "Surely someone wouldn't feel their rights were infringed on because they wrote the wrong answer on a science test." Then Klaud points out that, yes, they probably will, and I feel my brain hurt a little more. Which leads me to wonder, if someone wrote PURPLE on a mathematics test, and got it wrong, would they be expect to still get it right?

I'm getting mighty sick and tired of the stupid (which, unfortunately, is leading to bigger sarcasm than I probably should at work - but I mean, when I am confronted with, "well, when is that person going to call you?!" I think I am somewhat justified in responding with, "and you expect me to magically know this HOW?").

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby KysenMurrin » Thu Mar 27, 2014 1:25 am

Just makes me think of Adam Sandler's character in Waterboy - where he goes to college and in the biology lesson answers questions with what his momma taught him, and gets into a big argument with the teacher about it.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Skye1013 » Thu Mar 27, 2014 10:34 am

Amirya wrote:Which leads me to wonder, if someone wrote PURPLE on a mathematics test, and got it wrong, would they be expect to still get it right?

By the same token... if someone of another faith believes that water comes from magical faeries... are they any more wrong than the person that believes it came from God? If one is protected, shouldn't the other be as well? Clearly, that's the logical stance to take, but the people backing these laws are rarely, if ever, logical.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Amirya » Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:42 am

This is true. If someone wrote Allah or Satan instead of God, I'm sure we can all just see the frothing ragers.

No joke, the education in the US is still terrible, and I deeply resent my taxes going to pay for public "education" when I will never use it, regardless of whether I adopt or not.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Kal » Thu Mar 27, 2014 1:55 pm

Amirya wrote:This is true. If someone wrote Allah or Satan instead of God, I'm sure we can all just see the frothing ragers.

No joke, the education in the US is still terrible, and I deeply resent my taxes going to pay for public "education" when I will never use it, regardless of whether I adopt or not.


As a point of fact, "Allah" is just the Arabic word for "God", so Arabic speaking Christians and Jews refer to God as Allah. You may already know this, but I just wanted to say that if this point were made in such a situation, said frothing rager's heads would explodify.

I disagree with your point about your tax dollars going toward public education. You benefit from living in a literate society, and though I'll agree all day that our education standards are abysmal, it's something that you do use.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Amirya » Thu Mar 27, 2014 2:04 pm

I look forward to the explodify. I welcome the chance to witness it!

Also, I would disagree with you about this being a literate society. Reality TV, softcore mommy porn, and other such idiotic endeavours by the masses don't really strike me as literate.

But I probably just have higher (and frequently disappointed) expectations. Which is also probably why I don't see any benefit from it. But more, I was talking in regards to sending my non-existent demon hellspawn - I would never do that. I'd either homeschool, or if I was rich enough, send them to a boarding school in a country that has much higher education standards.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Aubade » Thu Mar 27, 2014 2:08 pm

Amirya wrote:softcore mommy porn, and other such idiotic endeavours by the masses don't really strike me as literate.



I feel like I'm missing a reference or something, regarding this statement.
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