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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Dec 27, 2013 10:15 am

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Klaudandus wrote:That said, the electronic surveillance is so incredibly easy to defeat, provided you want to put in the effort -- just look at General Van Riper's tactics in the Millenium Challenge 2002, where he defeated the opposing team by using non-electronic means of communication -- The judges of the war game had to rewrite the rules in order to restrict what Van Riper could and could not do in order to defeat him the 2nd time around.


Yikes, that's an awesome/terryfying story. The bit about communications isn't the critical part, though - the important stuff seems to be that carriers can't dodge, can't take a hit (and their defenses can be saturated by low tech attacks) and that attacks are too reliant on electronic signatures to find targets (a carrier can't go dark, a cruise missile site doesn't need an electronic signature). Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002 (And a random angry blog post: http://www.exile.ru/articles/detail.php ... =35&PAGE=1)


Yep. I know most people overlook the communications part, but not me. It shows what you can do when you don't rely on electronics. Heck, you can openly communicate on a CB radio and still defeat it provided you use something as simple as a Book Cipher. To make things interesting, you could probably have a set rotation of book ciphers. Takes a lot of effort, but without the context, the message is useless to anyone else that is on the wire listening to it.

Electronic encryption right now is meaningless seeing that the standard in use was compromised since its implementation.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Dec 27, 2013 11:41 am

Klaudandus wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/12/16/judge-deals-nsa-defeat-on-bulk-phone-collection/


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/28/us/ns ... .html?_r=0

A federal judge in New York on Friday ruled that the National Security Agency’s program that is systematically keeping phone records of all Americans is lawful, creating a conflict among lower courts and increasing the likelihood that the issue will be resolved by the Supreme Court.


Some judges ruled against the NSA, others in favor of it. Time for some Supreme Court action!
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Amirya » Fri Dec 27, 2013 12:23 pm

I've read a couple of different articles about the previous ruling, and now I'm utterly confused.

Pauley apparently writes that there's no evidence that the NSA uses the bulk metadata for anything other than disrupting terrorism.

Leon apparently writes that there's no evidence that the NSA uses the bulk metadata to disrupt terrorism.

What the hell? So is the NSA disrupting terrorism with the metadata or not? If no, why the hell not? If yes, where's the evidence - hell, what are the stats on how many plans have been disrupted since, oh, 01/01/2013?
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Nooska » Sat Dec 28, 2013 8:15 am

Sound slike its simply a pro/anti NSA ruling - it seems to be he same argument, just differing judgements on it.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Paxen » Sat Dec 28, 2013 9:43 am

Simple, the NSA doesn't use it for anything! They just keep it around for a rainy day.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Nooska » Sat Dec 28, 2013 1:22 pm

But isn't the hallenge in collecting it (rather than using it)? (Unlawful search I'm guessing).

Of course, fruit of the poisoned tree ins't a deterrant for the NSA, since nothing they would actually act on would ever see the inside of an US courtroom anyway.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Sun Dec 29, 2013 7:59 am

Somehow I missed these

http://www.spiegel.de/international/wor ... 40135.html
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013 ... mmissioner

And I'm sorry but...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-glas ... 90948.html
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/201309 ... rism.shtml
http://rt.com/news/nsa-leaks-mexico-government-458/
(From oldest to newest)

Let me rehash again that it would be much easier to swallow the whole NSA spies to keep us safe from horrible Al-Qaeda if it wasn't so grossly invested in state sanctioned corporate espionage on the side.

and just for lulzy
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-d ... -non-guilt
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Jan 17, 2014 5:50 am

So there's this

http://timesfreepress.com/news/2014/jan ... tennessee/

The legislation would ban new health insurance exchanges established under the law. So far, more than 36,000 Tennesseans have signed up for coverage under the exchanges. More than 2 million people had enrolled through the end of the year, according to the most recent nationwide statistics.

but with the law of unintended consequences (although since its a republican, might be intended after all...)

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20140 ... ck_check=1

That could cause immediate problems for TennCare. Since Jan. 1, the state’s Medicaid program has been using HealthCare.gov to sign up new enrollees until a new state-run website is completed.

And then this

http://www.nashvillescene.com/pitw/arch ... cal-center

Since the law "empowers the General Assembly to enact sanctions, fines and penalties for violation of the proposed law and gives the state’s Attorney General the right to file a lawsuit against violators," will hospitals have to figure out not only if patients have insurance but how they got it before they risk treating them?
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Fivelives » Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:08 pm

I was at work the other day and of course we have to have Faux News Network playing 24/7. No idea why - I've complained endlessly about it - but the talking heads were going on and on about how Obamacare is illegal.

I just wanted to mail them a letterbomb full of anthrax and radioactive waste with a little letter in it that says "Obamacare IS A LAW. Laws, by their very definition, cannot be illegal, especially since the United States Supreme Court already ruled the legislation passed constitutional muster."

Seriously, is there any way to get administration to stop turning the waiting room televisions to 24 hour news channels? I work 12+ hour shifts, Teh Stupidz is starting to give me migraines. I'd much rather watch NCIS marathons, or even the lifetime movie channel, or ANYTHING but news networks.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby KysenMurrin » Fri Jan 17, 2014 3:46 pm

What's the situation with licensing fees for public broadcasting? Could be restrictions what they can show.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Fridmarr » Fri Jan 17, 2014 7:42 pm

Cable news networks like FoxNews aren't publicly broadcast (thus the term "cable"), you have to pay for them. So if they have FoxNews, they have will also have plenty of other channels that they are free to show. They could also freely show any broadcast station that they pickup.

Anyhow typically news networks are shown in waiting rooms and what not because there is little cause for concern about the content, and someone will generally find it interesting. It's kind of neutral content.

Though I doubt you'll get them to put on a network with shows, and I doubt they care too much about one employee complaining about what's on TV while they are paying him to work, you may be able to convince them to put on ESPN or even the PAC 12 network in your neck of the woods.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Sat Jan 18, 2014 5:38 pm

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Fivelives » Sun Jan 19, 2014 12:00 pm

We've got all the channels except for the premium pay stations (HBO etc). It seems like every doctor's office and hospital waiting room in this crapsack town has the TV firmly set on fox news. You can't escape it anywhere you go here.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby fuzzygeek » Sun Jan 19, 2014 4:16 pm

Klaudandus wrote:http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hoboken-mayor-christie-aides-tied-sandy-fund-requests-to-support-for-project/2014/01/18/d6f63e86-805d-11e3-9556-4a4bf7bcbd84_story.html

Thoughts?


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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Brekkie » Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:55 pm

Fivelives wrote:We've got all the channels except for the premium pay stations (HBO etc). It seems like every doctor's office and hospital waiting room in this crapsack town has the TV firmly set on fox news. You can't escape it anywhere you go here.


This is my guess:

The majority of people who frequent hospitals are probably old people. Old people tend to be Conservative. Hence, Fox News.
It's the same reason why the TVs in the military chow halls were always permanently on Fox News. Demographics.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Fivelives » Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:36 am

I don't even remember having TVs in chow halls, and for those that do wouldn't it make more sense to have them tuned in to the FARTS channel?.

You'd probably be surprised - most of the patients in hospital waiting rooms* are between 20-40 years old, with a noticeable spike in toddlers through preteens. The elderly inhabit hospitals in much the same way they inhabit nursing homes - on wards, in beds, with their own private TVs to watch. I could understand it if it was just demographics, but it really isn't. I think I remember a time (I'm not sure, because this was in the long long ago far far away category before the tea party came and flipped the table on everyone) when the TVs were tuned to the USA network or something.

I think I vaguely remember bitching about this same thing in this very thread a couple dozen(ish?) pages ago, but anywhere past "yesterday" and sometimes (if it was truly memorable, like having my first baby or something) "day before yesterday" my memory gets pretty unreliable for minutiae.

* Naturally, there are trends from ward to ward. Cardiology isn't going to have a lot of kids in there since most kids don't have heart problems. But conversely, obstetrics isn't going to have many old people there because most old people aren't evicting babies from their uteruses. Radiology is a tossup between stupid kids and old folks, with most old folks cycling through between 7am-2pm and stupid kids taking over once school lets out at 2:30-3:30 and going on through the night. Emergency departments are almost entirely populated by people 30 and under; at least in the waiting room anyway. The elderly mostly go straight in through the ambulance entrance.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Sun Jan 26, 2014 6:48 pm

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1 ... 3982034286

Regarding your editorial "Censors on Campus" (Jan. 18): Writing from the epicenter of progressive thought, San Francisco, I would call attention to the parallels of fascist Nazi Germany to its war on its "one percent," namely its Jews, to the progressive war on the American one percent, namely the "rich."

From the Occupy movement to the demonization of the rich embedded in virtually every word of our local newspaper, the San Francisco Chronicle, I perceive a rising tide of hatred of the successful one percent. There is outraged public reaction to the Google buses carrying technology workers from the city to the peninsula high-tech companies which employ them. We have outrage over the rising real-estate prices which these "techno geeks" can pay. We have, for example, libelous and cruel attacks in the Chronicle on our number-one celebrity, the author Danielle Steel, alleging that she is a "snob" despite the millions she has spent on our city's homeless and mentally ill over the past decades.

This is a very dangerous drift in our American thinking. Kristallnacht was unthinkable in 1930; is its descendent "progressive" radicalism unthinkable now?




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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Jan 27, 2014 10:39 am

DISREGARD.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby KysenMurrin » Mon Jan 27, 2014 11:28 am

Edit: Ah, satire. Nevermind.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby fuzzygeek » Mon Jan 27, 2014 12:41 pm

Fake but accurate?
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:55 pm

Wow, I fell for satire -- the problem is, knowing Bachmann, I actually thought it to be true. X___X

I apologize for the fake news.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Fivelives » Mon Jan 27, 2014 2:40 pm

That's the problem with extremists. The more extreme someone's viewpoint is, the more likely satire is to be taken as truth.

If it weren't for the "I never took a science class in college" line, I'd have fallen for that hook, line and sinker myself.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Jan 27, 2014 2:48 pm

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/edward-sno ... -1.2511635

I'm sorry Brekkie, but I just can't buy the NSA getting involved in industrial espionage as national security. IN fact, I've been harping out it since the wiretapping into PetroBras was announced late last year.

Everyone here knows that if an individual were to try that, they would get sent to prison and whatnot, but the NSA wraps itself in the flag and calls it being patriotic/doing it for our freedom.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby fuzzygeek » Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:56 am

Fivelives wrote:That's the problem with extremists. The more extreme someone's viewpoint is, the more likely satire is to be taken as truth.

If it weren't for the "I never took a science class in college" line, I'd have fallen for that hook, line and sinker myself.


I don't think this is a problem so much with extremists as it is with people who want to believe the worst of people on the other team. See: "I can see Russia from my house!", Birthers, et. al.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Fivelives » Tue Jan 28, 2014 8:29 am

I'm extremely moderate in my views, and satire of both sides is hard for me to distinguish from truthful statements. There was an online quiz once, trying to pick between things that some famous crazy person said (I think Gary Busey or Rick Flair?) and completely made up statements on the part of the quiz author and it was a great illustration of how difficult it is to distinguish between crazy and fiction. I don't think anyone can argue that the political right has gone completely off the rails thanks to pandering to extremists, but it does make it hard to tell between satire and actual positions.

It's like earlier in this thread - that bit from Forbes magazine? The satirical essay about awarding the medal of honor to billionaires. I fell for that, hard, because it didn't seem like something that wouldn't be suggested in politics or business today. Wasn't until someone pointed out that the author had used "a modest proposal" in the text that I finally got it.
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