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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Nooska » Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:33 am

Around here kids are allowed to work, how long and what job functions they can fill is restricted by age in work environmetal laws, and the unions have special "underage" patrols in the summertime (where many kids have a summer job to earn some money of their own), that visit the primary "suspects" and check up on whether the employers do what they should, and whether the kids know the restrictions.

Kids don't get payed full wages - the main issue with this is the 17 year olds getting fired as a birthday "present" because the employers need to pay fuul wages when they turn 18 (ie. age discrimination).

It works, no kids are amistreated because of being allowed to work, and the restrictions mean its not the negative values of child labor, but just earning money doing what they can do (that is deemed appropriate).
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Sagara » Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:58 am

Silly 'murrricans, never able to see the solution that stares right back from the other side of the atlantic 8)

Just kidding guys, different strokes for different people!
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Fivelives » Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:10 am

When I was a kid, I would sell shiny rocks to my neighbors, or stickers that my grandmother would bring home from the hospital - she was also a nurse - by the sheet. Never underestimate the power of a small child with shiny rocks and stickers, it's more effective at opening a wallet than Joel Osteen.

Then when I got a little older, I went around the neighborhood looking for odd jobs, things like walking dogs, emptying trash, doing chores or helping out with things. When I got a little older still, I started hitting up businesses in strip malls - print shops are usually ripe targets for kids, paying a couple cents per envelope stuffed for mailers.

Making it legal for employers to actively seek child labor in the US for less than minimum wage or the average for that specific position, no matter how regulated it may be, is a bad idea. It would shift jobs from adults who are already barely living paycheck to paycheck and scraping by to children who are cheaper labor. It's the same thing that happened back when they loosened restrictions on outsourcing jobs and a flood of US jobs went overseas. Except that instead of a kid from India taking a job that could be kept here, it would be a child from here that took that job.

Sure it would be good for the businesses. They'd make higher profits, at least in the short term. But as their labor cost goes down, so does the economy in this case. And we're already trying to dig ourselves out of a nasty recession that nearly tanked the entire world's economy. So let's stick to paper routes and odd jobs for the kids who are motivated enough to find them, and weekly allowances for doing chores around the house, shall we?
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby fuzzygeek » Tue Dec 10, 2013 9:04 am

When I was growing up my parents were too poor to give me an allowance. We would sell snap peas my father grew in the garden to the neighborhood. People in my neighborhood wouldn't give you money for shiny rocks.

You're missing the point of the article. Kids are already working; they require a permit to do so, and what they can do is already limited. Lawmaker is attempting to streamline the process so it isn't a bureaucratic nightmare. People hyperventilate and pretend he's trying to fill factories with child slave labor making poor Oliver Twist work 80 hour weeks. This is stupid.

Sagara wrote:Silly 'murrricans, never able to see the solution that stares right back from the other side of the atlantic 8)

What do they do where you live? I honestly don't know.

I think I have a cousin or something in Taiwan who started a business in his bedroom selling mail order cabling when he was in high school. He'd hire other kids in the neighborhood to do cutting and crimping. I don't imagine they got paid much, but I don't know what regulations are like there, either.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Fridmarr » Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:50 pm

This has been out for a few days now, but it still kind of cracks me up.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/ ... r=yahootix

I'm betting this was merely an excuse for federal agents to play WoW at work. It's fucking genius if you think about it.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Fivelives » Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:13 pm

There was a news story a few years back about how people were using xbox live call of duty matches (or something) to arrange hits. I didn't give it much credence, because media + video games = hilarious purposeful misunderstandings, but I guess the federal government hasn't gotten that memo yet.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Sagara » Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:44 am

fuzzygeek wrote:
Sagara wrote:Silly 'murrricans, never able to see the solution that stares right back from the other side of the atlantic 8)

What do they do where you live? I honestly don't know.


Same as Nooska, roughly - very strictly controlled labor that mainly gets used for summer and weekends.

I'm guessing the fact that most of our contries have compulsory civil registers helps a lot keep the paperwork tidy.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Nooska » Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:07 am

Oh yeah, that too :)

(Generally, Europe is very authoritarian* in its build, and very liberal in its stance)



* to most americans I would guess - to most europeans its just the way it is, and it helps a lot in a lot of situations, like... say.. healthcare.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Skye1013 » Wed Dec 11, 2013 6:06 am

I was working at the age of 12... in Texas. It was at a renaissance festival (with my parents working it as well.) Maybe because of that, the restrictions are different. Maybe I was working illegally... I don't know.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Dec 11, 2013 6:53 am

Skye1013 wrote:I was working at the age of 12... in Texas. It was at a renaissance festival (with my parents working it as well.) Maybe because of that, the restrictions are different. Maybe I was working illegally... I don't know.


Which ren fest if you don't mind me asking?
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Dec 12, 2013 2:44 pm

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Amirya » Thu Dec 12, 2013 3:00 pm

Don't worry, I'm sure someone will also pass a law requiring men to purchase an insurance rider to cover Viagra in the event that they develop ED...
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Dec 12, 2013 3:49 pm

So, Walker compares his fight against the unions' to the 13th amendment...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnDxxq0Upb8

And...

Santorum claims Obamacare is Apartheid...
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/d ... epublicans

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Dec 16, 2013 2:09 pm

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Nooska » Mon Dec 16, 2013 3:41 pm

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