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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:49 am

Costa Rica has better and cheaper health care. Heck, Cuba is barely below the US.

My mom got her cholecystectomy done in Mexico, for a wee bit more than 3 grand. That included surgery room, surgeon, anesthesiologist, medicines and a 4-day hospital stay.

I spent 6 hrs bucknaked, on a gurney, under an AC vent for passing a kidney stone and my total bill was more than 8 grand...

Fuck the US' healthcare system...
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Nooska » Wed Nov 06, 2013 3:07 am

and the scandinavian model; You need to go to the hospital? okay, you go to the hospital. You need med sin the hospital, you get emds.
Only when you get out of t he hospital do you need to pay anything - your meds (and there is a subsidy plan for that, so the more you pay obver a year, the more of the cost the state picks up).

Only problem is that dental work isn't covered - so if you have a problem in your jaw, you gotta pay a good amount yourself. (Dental work is subsidised, but not enough to prevent a clear socio-economic problem)
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Shoju » Wed Nov 06, 2013 7:35 am

Speaking of Fuck the US Health Care System.

My son is 16. He needs a job. He needs a Work Permit.

Part of the Work Permit, is a physical. Most Student Athletes are able to use both. Well, it's time for him to get a new physical for sports. So I called the Dr. They can't get him in for 2 weeks. Yay!

So I call an Urgent Care / Walk in Clinic that does "deals" on Sports Physicals. 20 bucks for the sports physical, and good. BUT. Because this will also be a "Work" Physical, we have to pay $55.

Not for a paperwork fee. But because a Work Permit Physical, is $55.

Wut.
RUSRS?
$35 more?

So we go, and do it, because he needs this done ASAP so he can get into orientation. My son comes out of the room, and is FUMING. He said it was a waste of money. I said why?

Because the $35 price difference in physicals, meant that they walked in the room, checked his vitals, temp, breathing, and a simple Hand strength exercise. No other examination took place. No standard Sports Physical was given. They signed all the papers, and out the door he went.

Since my son paid for the physical (I'm trying to make him learn the value of money, and budgeting, etc...) he was absolutely furious with the quality of care rendered for an extra $35.

Fuck the US Health Care System, and the greedy bastards who perpetuate it INDEED.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Sat Nov 09, 2013 5:58 pm

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Paxen » Sat Nov 09, 2013 6:34 pm

Klaudandus wrote:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/30/chris-burbank-salt-lake-city_n_4170154.html
Woah! A police chief that still uses common sense!?


The fact that this guy is a radical outsider makes me want to cry...
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Sat Nov 09, 2013 8:01 pm

Paxen wrote:
Klaudandus wrote:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/30/chris-burbank-salt-lake-city_n_4170154.html
Woah! A police chief that still uses common sense!?


The fact that this guy is a radical outsider makes me want to cry...


Yeah... have you read the police.com forums? That place is scary...
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Sun Nov 10, 2013 7:31 pm

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby aureon » Tue Nov 12, 2013 6:20 pm

Klaudandus wrote:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/30/chris-burbank-salt-lake-city_n_4170154.html
Woah! A police chief that still uses common sense!?

Wait, how did this guy become Chief?
Pretty damn impressive.

"Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent", indeed.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Nov 18, 2013 12:30 pm

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia-paci ... 22258.html

Can we please do this here in the US?
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Skye1013 » Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:54 am

Klaudandus wrote:http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/11/09/texas-anti-lgbt-crusader-won-local-election-by-pretending-to-be-black/
So much fail in Houston.

"Every time a politician talks, he’s out there deceiving voters."

So... that makes it okay?

Of course, on the other hand, this does somewhat prove that racism is alive and well... since apparently people didn't have an issue with his stances, just the color of his skin (but then again, who's to say for sure he'd have lost if he hadn't resorted to deceitful tactics.)
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Shoju » Wed Nov 20, 2013 7:25 am

Skye1013 wrote:
Klaudandus wrote:http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/11/09/texas-anti-lgbt-crusader-won-local-election-by-pretending-to-be-black/
So much fail in Houston.

"Every time a politician talks, he’s out there deceiving voters."

So... that makes it okay?

Of course, on the other hand, this does somewhat prove that racism is alive and well... since apparently people didn't have an issue with his stances, just the color of his skin (but then again, who's to say for sure he'd have lost if he hadn't resorted to deceitful tactics.)


His campaign didn't make mention of his stances at all. His campaign was solely based on the use of "endorsed by that guy", who was his brother, but has the same name as a prominent black politician, and flyers that alluded to him being a black man.

He didn't put out anything about his stances.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby cdan » Wed Nov 20, 2013 7:44 am

That's the plot of an Eddie Murphy film. Distinguished Gentleman? Except Murphy had the same name as the (white) ex-incumbent who had died.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Nooska » Wed Nov 20, 2013 3:04 pm

Remind me to give you a report of the municipal elections yesterday - too tired right now.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Sagara » Wed Nov 20, 2013 3:19 pm

Good news at least?
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Nooska » Thu Nov 21, 2013 4:03 am

Hardly.

Blood bath begins to describe how hurt we were lovally by the national tendencies - we always knew it was a factor, but nobody I've talked to expected that much of a hit.

Nationally we went back by half (in percent), a bit less in members of municipal councils (iirc the mail I got this morning right).
There are 98 municipalities, we were on the list in 96 of them, and suffered a setback in 94. The bright spot is our vice chair(wo)man, who is mayor of a relatively right-of-center municipality, they went up by 12.5 percentage points, to have over a third of the votes.

My own municipality saw a devastation - we lost 15 percentage points, and went from 4 mandates to 1 (needless to say, I did not get it, being number 4 on the list), worse (democratically) is that we lost 2 party representations (and gained one), so now only 5 parties are represented. Our side did win (12 seats to 7), but with the largets party having 10 of those seats, not a whole lot of influence exists - we can only hope we don't return to the pre 2009 conditionsof closedness and decisions being made by decree of the mayer with teh group simply voting aye.
The mayor has lived up too the agreement we had preelection of talking seats and chairmanships of comittees etc with the 2 other parties (people) in the majority block - even though he wouldn't need to by mandate - but this guy does have a reputation (amongst politicians) for wanting to stick to his word.

Also, we suffered a mjor setback to equality and representation in general. Of the 19 seats, only 2 women were elected despite almost all parties having several women on their lists, and highly placed.
Personally I came in 5th from my 4th place starting position, being narrowly beaten by number 3 (9 personal votes behind) - which is in itself a minot success - number 3 was a sitting member and second vice mayor and known, so only getting ebaten by 9 votes there is a success. Number 5 jumper up to end in the number 3 position - but she is apretty young 'girl' with a large network, so I knew that was realistic and didn't expect to beat her in personal votes. If we had only just gotten the 4th seat, she would have taken it, if we had been on 4.5 seats, I would have gotten it (we generally get a lot of party votes, which are given in order of position on the list).

My major political success of the election night was being asked to 'chair' (nothing as official as that sounds like) a "young candidates network" by the 2 young candidates that actually got elected (2 women, 2 people that could be termed young - thats pretty poor represetation) with 2 immediate goals in mind. Gathering the young candidates cross politically so we can do stuff that can increase the participation of the lower tier, but young, candidates and ghopefully increase the youthful representation, and starting a crosspolitical cooperation/network so when we are the ones in power, we already know and trust (political caveat here) eachother, so we don't have to carry the "long knives" on election night, and can get more stuff done for the people of the municipality rather than simply trying to fight a rhetorical battle.
Of all the young candidates this time, only one wasn't present, and the rest agreed to this network/group (which probably would not have happened if I hadn't taken the initiative). I am happy with my personal political results.

On a side note, GF has greenlighted that I seek a district for parlimentary candidacy, we have a round coming up this spring where we select new parliamentary candidates. I don't hold much hope of getting elected (something drastic has to happen, as we currently look to gain 1 seat from this greater district, and currently we have the treasury minister, who is also a former chairman of the party in this greater district) but it will provide valuable political experience and possibly political capital and name recognition for the next municipal elections.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Nov 21, 2013 1:44 pm

So, any idea what caused the shift?
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Nov 21, 2013 1:45 pm

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/21/us/po ... l?hp&_r=4&

I'd be more willing to listen to the GOP if their plan included how they would actually fix things, like economy, healthcare, jobs... them attacking Obamacare, again and again, is not gonna miraculously fix everything else in the country...
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Nov 21, 2013 1:51 pm

http://www.salon.com/2013/11/20/its_pau ... son_again/
The takeaway for Ryan, a Catholic, has been explicitly religious. "You cure poverty eye to eye, soul to soul," he said last week at the Heritage forum. "Spiritual redemption: That's what saves people."

Hmm... I heard some fella called Jesus said something different
Luke 18:22 -- When Jesus heard this, he said to him, “You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

The funniest part is that the new Pope is all about helping the poor and bitchslapped the Bishop of Bling in Germany about a month ago.

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Nooska » Thu Nov 21, 2013 2:34 pm

Klaudandus wrote:So, any idea what caused the shift?

Yeah, national tendencies combined with bigger voter turnout (+10 percentage points of voter participation), and the technical electoral union.

All the center-left was counted as one big block opposed to the right, which had it similarly. The seats are divided after the d'hondt method, first among the blocks, then the block seats are divided among the sharing parties - the largest party picks up the excess in an technical union - the socialdemocrats (the 10 seat party) got 46.6% of the vote, but 52.6% of the seats, since none of the 4 smaller parties (including us) picked up enough to grab a second seat.

The voter turnout usually helps the mayoral party, as people who do not generally vote decide mostly on "am I satisfied or not", if satisfied its the mayor that gets the credit and if not, its the opposition candidate(s). Here we have a pretty well run municipality, so mayoral help.

National tendencies kicked in much harder than expected though - we have sufferd a massive blow in polls due to joining government (voters have been used to us being the cooperative party that says what they want - pulling the result left when we have ghavd a socialdemocrat for PM - we still do, only now we don't do so publicly, which translates to a hit in the polls (and now at the election, though this is local and not national.

Lastly, the mayor had a reflection that last time they had no ethnic non-danes on the lsit (this time they did), thus losing out on an appeal to the otherwise ethnically inclined (I hope that doesn't sound racist - it isn't meant to be in any way, its just "what word do we use to not be prejudiced - when every word gets hijacked by the ones that want to use it derogatorily"), and just previous to the last election a major reform of school districts had just gone through, so part of our vote may have been punishment towards the socialdemocrats.

I actually buy the mayors reasoning more than the national tendencies, because while the leftist party (even leftier than us) did get in, it was at the expense of the one that was somewhere between us and them, and only that one seat, while our three seats went to the social democrats.

That being said, I've recieved an email abvout the agreement on who gets what, though I'm not sure if it is fully official, so I won't share that now, ut we have come out better than we "should" have based purely on election results - political influence and alliances are a good thing though.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Amirya » Wed Nov 27, 2013 6:38 pm

So, question for those who know more about this stuff than I do.

I've been reading about the couple in Ohio who are accused of child abandonment for giving their 9 year old son to CPS workers (people make a big stink about the son being adopted, but that's somewhat irrelevant to my question).

It makes me curious, why is it abandonment to give a 9 year old to CPS, but it's different if it's either Safe Haven laws or giving up for adoption at birth? Aren't the parents technically still abandoning the infant to the system? Why does one act warrant prosecution, but the other doesn't?

This question doesn't apply if the child, regardless of age, is dumped somewhere else that is not a legal organization supposedly protecting children.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Fridmarr » Wed Nov 27, 2013 7:27 pm

There's certainly quite a big difference for the child, when you compare the effects of this to an infant versus a 9 year old. I don't think it's generally ever legal (even under safe haven laws) to abandon a 9 year old.

I don't think CPS is generally considered a Safe Haven place anyhow, but that's besides the point. There are some actions that can be taken if you are having issues with your child (foster care etc.), but I don't think you can't just drop the kid off one day, there's a process.

That said, I don't know the details of this case, I'm just responding to the points you mentioned.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Amirya » Wed Nov 27, 2013 8:13 pm

But see, that's what I'm confused about. Either way, safe haven or CPS, you aren't dumping said kid in the alley behind the grocery store and a dollar. So why is one abandonment and one not? Is it solely based on psychological reasoning, that infants haven't bonded yet? Then why is there such a short window for safe haven (depending on states, I've seen anyway from 3 days to 60 days)?

I don't have any monster spawn, nor will I, but it got me to wondering. Either way, the minor is being given into the state's custody.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Fridmarr » Thu Nov 28, 2013 10:45 am

I'm sure the child's psychology is part of it. But also, if you've committed to being the caretaker of the child, then you've assumed a certain amount of responsibility. Even if you can't take care of the child anymore, you seek out help and follow the proper channels (even if it leads to turning the child over to the state) which are there to help you and the child. Dropping the kid off somewhere out of the blue is irresponsible to say the least.

You generally can't just dump a 9 year old behind a building or in an alley anyhow, they are mobile and smart. Odds are that pretty much no matter where they dropped him off, he would have found his way into the hands of a Safe Haven.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Skye1013 » Sat Nov 30, 2013 11:19 pm

I know Stonekettle has been linked here previously, but this article actually hits a few of the topics we've discussed about what's wrong with our current system... and some potential fixes.

http://www.stonekettle.com/2013/11/take ... art-1.html
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:39 pm

http://bangordailynews.com/2013/12/02/p ... n-january/

I think I remember something similar in a novel... Oh yeah...
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