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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Oct 10, 2013 3:59 am

Arjuna wrote:Judging from your sig, I'm guessing you are the speedwagon guy commenting on that article Klaudandus? :P


Actually? No
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Arjuna » Thu Oct 10, 2013 10:51 am

Klaudandus wrote:
Arjuna wrote:Judging from your sig, I'm guessing you are the speedwagon guy commenting on that article Klaudandus? :P


Actually? No

Well, it was a qualified guess. :)
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Skye1013 » Thu Oct 10, 2013 1:16 pm

I'll just leave this here:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/b ... them-right

P.S. Despite what it looks like... it isn't a sports thread thing...
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Oct 10, 2013 5:34 pm

http://www.nationaljournal.com/daily/te ... #pq=Z5o1qK
"Waaah!!! Obama is too mean to us!"

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Skye1013 » Thu Oct 10, 2013 7:40 pm

Klaudandus wrote:http://www.nationaljournal.com/daily/tea-partiers-say-obama-s-too-mean-20131009?mrefid=LeadStoryTiles_medium#pq=Z5o1qK
"Waaah!!! Obama is too mean to us!"

*facedesk*


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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Oct 11, 2013 2:24 pm

Skye1013 wrote:I'll just leave this here:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/b ... them-right

P.S. Despite what it looks like... it isn't a sports thread thing...


The senator replied, it was awful
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Oct 11, 2013 2:30 pm

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/politics ... soon-video

Tony Perkins, the leader of Family Research Council, which sponsored the summit said Cruz was “a de facto leader of the Republican Party” who was “filling a vacuum” at the top of the GOP.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Sat Oct 12, 2013 12:05 pm

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/32820 ... ith-senate

Now the GOP is upset with Obama for negotiating with the GOP
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby KysenMurrin » Sat Oct 12, 2013 2:36 pm

So here's the question: Are they just doing to find a way to get an acceptable deal through, or are they also doing it deliberately to further the ideological split in the Republican party?
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Sat Oct 12, 2013 4:07 pm

KysenMurrin wrote:So here's the question: Are they just doing to find a way to get an acceptable deal through, or are they also doing it deliberately to further the ideological split in the Republican party?


I'm pretty sure the GOP leaders are tired of the Tea Partiers within their ranks -- but the Tea Partiers do have some power, specially at the base.

Either way, don't care much seeing I like how the party is imploding, although it pisses me off they're dragging the country along with them.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Fetzie » Mon Oct 14, 2013 4:57 am

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Sometimes it really amazes me how your (the US) government never thought to include a mechanism for ordering new elections if something like this should happen. Maybe have the President ask the Supreme Court to judge whether the conduct of the House and/or Senate is constitutional or not, and if not to order immediate elections for that part of Congress.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Oct 14, 2013 5:41 am

I know some liberal blogger was saying the House and Senate should be charged with extortion under the Hobbs act, and thus make the legal jump to sedition under title 18, chapter 15 to sedition.

Honestly? I dont think it qualifies for either, wish it would but...
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Nooska » Mon Oct 14, 2013 11:54 am

Or simply a mechanism that allows the president or either chamber of the house to petition SCOTUS for approval of early elections (for the house or senate or both) in case of such a budgetary crisis.
If found valid, elections are ordered by the petitioner within a set time, with a continuing resolution to keep government running (at the last agreed upon level) till elections are done and the new house/senate is validated - the newly elected representatives/senators should only serve the remainder of the period.

I don't see how it could be used for the presidency and remain within the framework set up by the constitution in regards to the way the government is run - I do believe impeachment is actually an option for most things (like a president continuously vetoing a budget bill - someone more knowledgable of US politics can say more) - of course this doesn't trigger a new election, merely a succession.

I do see an issue with my forst proposal in regards to the way both house and senate work that only half teh members are up for election at a time, but I'm sure something could be worked out with eitehr a proviso that the senior members are the only ones up, or that you simply elect 2 people for each district, the number 1 and the number 2, either with 2 votes per voter, so it was possible to have a double rep/dem ticket work, or with the way the presidential ticket works - so a ticket with 2 people that get elected together (longer term at the top, shorter term at the bottom)
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Skye1013 » Tue Oct 15, 2013 11:04 pm

Nooska wrote:Or simply a mechanism that allows the president or either chamber of the house to petition SCOTUS for approval of early elections (for the house or senate or both) in case of such a budgetary crisis.
If found valid, elections are ordered by the petitioner within a set time, with a continuing resolution to keep government running (at the last agreed upon level) till elections are done and the new house/senate is validated - the newly elected representatives/senators should only serve the remainder of the period.

I don't see how it could be used for the presidency and remain within the framework set up by the constitution in regards to the way the government is run - I do believe impeachment is actually an option for most things (like a president continuously vetoing a budget bill - someone more knowledgable of US politics can say more) - of course this doesn't trigger a new election, merely a succession.

I do see an issue with my forst proposal in regards to the way both house and senate work that only half teh members are up for election at a time, but I'm sure something could be worked out with eitehr a proviso that the senior members are the only ones up, or that you simply elect 2 people for each district, the number 1 and the number 2, either with 2 votes per voter, so it was possible to have a double rep/dem ticket work, or with the way the presidential ticket works - so a ticket with 2 people that get elected together (longer term at the top, shorter term at the bottom)

Firstly, just wanted to correct you slightly in that it's one-third that goes up for election each time.

Secondly, are you suggesting a revote of all of Congress or strictly those determined to be causing the issue? I'd think to be fair, you'd have to hold a complete revote, but perhaps allow the incumbents a chance to keep their seats. If the public decides that certain members are the problem, they'll get booted by popular vote (theoretically.)

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Sagara » Tue Oct 15, 2013 11:18 pm

I'd honestly expect a complete re-vote of either or both the Chambers.

I mean at this point, your government has already all but fallen, and is simply limping on until it gets recycled, and a new balance can be found. Might has well spare the pain and get that recycle right now.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Oct 16, 2013 5:38 am

Skye1013 wrote:@Klaudandus: the reply from Kingston was severely disappointing...


It was so lame indeed.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:24 am

http://gawker.com/joe-lhota-doesnt-want ... 1446023260
“I am pro-choice; they are not. I am pro-gay rights as well as marriage equality; they are not. I have been outspoken about these issues over and over again."

"Do not lump me with the national Republicans. It’s unbecoming.”


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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby cdan » Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:47 am

Just reinforces the problem the GOP have - they don't represent traditional Republican values anymore. They've turned hard right and exited reality.

A lot of the traditional small government / local control policies make a lot of sense in the US, but their policy shifts towards the religious right when Reagan came in and now their massive jump even further since the tea party got involved in the primary process has basically made them unsupportable to people who counted themselves Republicans for years.

The Democrats are getting a significant amount of support from people who seem them as the least irrational choice. Which is hardly a ringing endorsement.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Nooska » Wed Oct 16, 2013 10:31 am

Skye1013 wrote:
Firstly, just wanted to correct you slightly in that it's one-third that goes up for election each time.

Secondly, are you suggesting a revote of all of Congress or strictly those determined to be causing the issue? I'd think to be fair, you'd have to hold a complete revote, but perhaps allow the incumbents a chance to keep their seats. If the public decides that certain members are the problem, they'll get booted by popular vote (theoretically.)


Thanks for the correction, - House members are elected for.. 6 years and with elections every other year then?
Senate, iirc are for 6 years? (2 from each state, alternating?)

I would let the petitioner point to either house or senate or both.
I would let POTUS, Senate majority (by vote, not by party) and house majority (by vote, not by party) seperately have the right to petition SCOTUS to approve early elections.
And yes, I would require that the entire hourse or senate be put on early election - with 2 (or 3 or however the rotation is figured out, by your correction I have not fully understood it yet*) different term lengths to be voted for - either by ticket (each district having a ticket with 2 or 3* names on it) or by individual vote (X votes, X being the number to elect) and the X candidates with majority votes get elected for the terms in order of longest to shortest.

It would be an electoral upset in regards to how the house and/or senate was put together, but the US system (and where it has been exported to) are about the only democratic (or republican) systems in the world that doesn't allow for early elections.

The European systems (be they westminster or not) universally (I believe) have a system for early elections. Some places parliamentarism has caused that system to not work the way it was intentioned, but work nonetheless (when the prime/state minister is chosen by parliamentary majority, the early elections become just a political tool, as opposed to when prime/state minister (and other ministers) were chosen by the head of state (many european countries beiing monarchies still) as a check to the peoples representatives, being able to "poll the will of the people" as such, to see if the elected members of parliament were still representative of the peoples will in certain matters, and apart from that the responsibility to schedule elections at appropriate intervals.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Oct 17, 2013 5:38 am

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Oct 21, 2013 5:48 am

http://www.spiegel.de/international/wor ... 28817.html

The US surveillance of politicians in Mexico and Brazil is not a one-off. Internal documents show these countries' leaders represent important monitoring targets for the NSA, with both Mexico and Brazil ranking among the nations high on an April 2013 list that enumerates the US' surveillance priorities. That list, classified as "secret," was authorized by the White House and "presidentially approved," according to internal NSA documents.

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Nooska » Sat Oct 26, 2013 3:47 am

Update on the municipal elections, as requested.

Spent the night hanging posters. Met at 10 pm to distribute posters to the 2 cars that didn't have them already (me driving one), then on to the local party's "room" (political parties are associations by definition, and since they fall under the "people enlightenment law" (it isn't as communist as it sounds, quite the opposite), the municipality is required (by law) to furnish rooms for activities), sitting around with "the team" (9 people all together) planning where to go first, and having fun reminiscing over previous poster hanging nights.

The posters are allowed to go up from midnight, so at 11.30 pm (circa) we split up and go to oure respective parts of the city (it has 3 distinct areas - its made up of 2 centuries old villages, and a 'new' village thats sprung up near the beachside, and almost all the farmland has been converted to housing).
From midnight till about 5 am I was busy with 1 other person in our district (the one where we both live, so we know the roads and places people walk and not just drive) hanging posters. Thankfully we had preprinted posters this year (printed directly on plastic boards) so they were light and easy to wrangle. The first hour we get up ~8 posters, the second maybe 10.
By 5 am we had hit an average of 18 posters / hour for a total of 88(climbing lighting poles, making sure they stay etc). Posters have to be at least 7½ feet off the ground, and we want them higher than that.

I have to say I was shocked at how many posters went up between 1 am and 5 am (in general) - at midnight we saw 1 other party, hang 2 posters at the S-train station, where we also (more or less) started.

Home at 5:10 am, was kind enough to drive my teammate home, then write up where we had hung how many of each poster in an email to send to the other teams, so we all know where we have covered and how much, and then to bed.
I guess it was 6 before I fell asleep, and then I woke up, ready to get out of bed (well sort of) at 9 am.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Fivelives » Mon Oct 28, 2013 4:03 am

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recall_election

In 2011, there were at least 150 recall elections in the United States. Of these, 75 officials were recalled, and nine officials resigned under threat of recall. Recalls were held in 17 states in 73 different jurisdictions. Michigan had the most recalls (at least 30). The year set a record for number of state legislator recall elections (11 elections) beating with previous one-year high (three elections). Three jurisdictions adopted the recall in 2011.[8]


So yeah, let's get on that. The White House online petition page should work for this? There's precedent for recall elections, even in the senate.

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