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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Oct 10, 2013 3:59 am

Arjuna wrote:Judging from your sig, I'm guessing you are the speedwagon guy commenting on that article Klaudandus? :P


Actually? No
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Arjuna » Thu Oct 10, 2013 10:51 am

Klaudandus wrote:
Arjuna wrote:Judging from your sig, I'm guessing you are the speedwagon guy commenting on that article Klaudandus? :P


Actually? No

Well, it was a qualified guess. :)
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Skye1013 » Thu Oct 10, 2013 1:16 pm

I'll just leave this here:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/b ... them-right

P.S. Despite what it looks like... it isn't a sports thread thing...
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Oct 10, 2013 5:34 pm

http://www.nationaljournal.com/daily/te ... #pq=Z5o1qK
"Waaah!!! Obama is too mean to us!"

*facedesk*
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Skye1013 » Thu Oct 10, 2013 7:40 pm

Klaudandus wrote:http://www.nationaljournal.com/daily/tea-partiers-say-obama-s-too-mean-20131009?mrefid=LeadStoryTiles_medium#pq=Z5o1qK
"Waaah!!! Obama is too mean to us!"

*facedesk*


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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Oct 11, 2013 5:51 am

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Oct 11, 2013 2:24 pm

Skye1013 wrote:I'll just leave this here:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/b ... them-right

P.S. Despite what it looks like... it isn't a sports thread thing...


The senator replied, it was awful
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/g ... own-letter
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Oct 11, 2013 2:30 pm

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/politics ... soon-video

Tony Perkins, the leader of Family Research Council, which sponsored the summit said Cruz was “a de facto leader of the Republican Party” who was “filling a vacuum” at the top of the GOP.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Sat Oct 12, 2013 12:05 pm

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/32820 ... ith-senate

Now the GOP is upset with Obama for negotiating with the GOP
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby KysenMurrin » Sat Oct 12, 2013 2:36 pm

So here's the question: Are they just doing to find a way to get an acceptable deal through, or are they also doing it deliberately to further the ideological split in the Republican party?
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Sat Oct 12, 2013 4:07 pm

KysenMurrin wrote:So here's the question: Are they just doing to find a way to get an acceptable deal through, or are they also doing it deliberately to further the ideological split in the Republican party?


I'm pretty sure the GOP leaders are tired of the Tea Partiers within their ranks -- but the Tea Partiers do have some power, specially at the base.

Either way, don't care much seeing I like how the party is imploding, although it pisses me off they're dragging the country along with them.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Fetzie » Mon Oct 14, 2013 4:57 am

Figured this fitted better here than in the General Discussion\Amusements thread:

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Sometimes it really amazes me how your (the US) government never thought to include a mechanism for ordering new elections if something like this should happen. Maybe have the President ask the Supreme Court to judge whether the conduct of the House and/or Senate is constitutional or not, and if not to order immediate elections for that part of Congress.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Oct 14, 2013 5:41 am

I know some liberal blogger was saying the House and Senate should be charged with extortion under the Hobbs act, and thus make the legal jump to sedition under title 18, chapter 15 to sedition.

Honestly? I dont think it qualifies for either, wish it would but...
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Nooska » Mon Oct 14, 2013 11:54 am

Or simply a mechanism that allows the president or either chamber of the house to petition SCOTUS for approval of early elections (for the house or senate or both) in case of such a budgetary crisis.
If found valid, elections are ordered by the petitioner within a set time, with a continuing resolution to keep government running (at the last agreed upon level) till elections are done and the new house/senate is validated - the newly elected representatives/senators should only serve the remainder of the period.

I don't see how it could be used for the presidency and remain within the framework set up by the constitution in regards to the way the government is run - I do believe impeachment is actually an option for most things (like a president continuously vetoing a budget bill - someone more knowledgable of US politics can say more) - of course this doesn't trigger a new election, merely a succession.

I do see an issue with my forst proposal in regards to the way both house and senate work that only half teh members are up for election at a time, but I'm sure something could be worked out with eitehr a proviso that the senior members are the only ones up, or that you simply elect 2 people for each district, the number 1 and the number 2, either with 2 votes per voter, so it was possible to have a double rep/dem ticket work, or with the way the presidential ticket works - so a ticket with 2 people that get elected together (longer term at the top, shorter term at the bottom)
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Skye1013 » Tue Oct 15, 2013 11:04 pm

Nooska wrote:Or simply a mechanism that allows the president or either chamber of the house to petition SCOTUS for approval of early elections (for the house or senate or both) in case of such a budgetary crisis.
If found valid, elections are ordered by the petitioner within a set time, with a continuing resolution to keep government running (at the last agreed upon level) till elections are done and the new house/senate is validated - the newly elected representatives/senators should only serve the remainder of the period.

I don't see how it could be used for the presidency and remain within the framework set up by the constitution in regards to the way the government is run - I do believe impeachment is actually an option for most things (like a president continuously vetoing a budget bill - someone more knowledgable of US politics can say more) - of course this doesn't trigger a new election, merely a succession.

I do see an issue with my forst proposal in regards to the way both house and senate work that only half teh members are up for election at a time, but I'm sure something could be worked out with eitehr a proviso that the senior members are the only ones up, or that you simply elect 2 people for each district, the number 1 and the number 2, either with 2 votes per voter, so it was possible to have a double rep/dem ticket work, or with the way the presidential ticket works - so a ticket with 2 people that get elected together (longer term at the top, shorter term at the bottom)

Firstly, just wanted to correct you slightly in that it's one-third that goes up for election each time.

Secondly, are you suggesting a revote of all of Congress or strictly those determined to be causing the issue? I'd think to be fair, you'd have to hold a complete revote, but perhaps allow the incumbents a chance to keep their seats. If the public decides that certain members are the problem, they'll get booted by popular vote (theoretically.)

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