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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby KysenMurrin » Sun Oct 06, 2013 2:37 am

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Melathys wrote:and what would that point be?


I would rather have had Obama as president than the Republican nominee...


And my point is that is the very reason why I voted for Obama, even though it didn't matter because Texas is still pretty red when it comes to presidential elections -- but in a contested state, going for the third party could have made Obama lose that state, and possibly the election, thus giving the Republican nominee the presidency.

The US Presidential elections are a bad place to put that kind of thing into practice, obviously. If you're trying to break out of the two-party system the best bet is on the more local level with state representatives.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Melathys » Sun Oct 06, 2013 8:31 am

I didn't vote for Obama or Romney this last election. To me there was no lesser evil. Well, I guess Obama was the lesser evil, but not buy such a wide margin that I wanted to vote for him. So I was hoping to at least help Gary Johnson get the 5% the Libertarian party would need to get federal funding.

My dad has been a staunch Republican his whole life. But he's had this to say about recent events.

These are the new imperial class that thinks they own everything we pay for. To them we are just the peasant class to be brutalized at will. We can start by not electing anyone from either party at the local level, only independents. The long term effects will help your generation get this country back on course.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Brekkie » Sun Oct 06, 2013 1:42 pm

Melathys wrote:I didn't vote for Obama or Romney this last election. To me there was no lesser evil. Well, I guess Obama was the lesser evil, but not buy such a wide margin that I wanted to vote for him. So I was hoping to at least help Gary Johnson get the 5% the Libertarian party would need to get federal funding.

My dad has been a staunch Republican his whole life. But he's had this to say about recent events.

These are the new imperial class that thinks they own everything we pay for. To them we are just the peasant class to be brutalized at will. We can start by not electing anyone from either party at the local level, only independents. The long term effects will help your generation get this country back on course.


That's some remarkably leftist rhetoric from a staunch republican.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Paxen » Sun Oct 06, 2013 2:21 pm

Brekkie wrote:That's some remarkably leftist rhetoric from a staunch republican.


Yeah. You can't have personal freedom if you live in a feudal society, though. At some point you realize that the freedom to make other people your serfs isn't necessarily a good thing.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Fridmarr » Sun Oct 06, 2013 6:37 pm

Interesting take.

It looks to me like mostly a generic anti-oligarchy/anti-imperialism statement, which is pretty standard on the left and the right. I suppose it matters who the pronoun "these" is referring too.

That said, the left and right in the US often agree on the problems, but not the solutions. And given that his solution does not throw money at the problem, increase the size of gov't, increase the scope of gov't, or call for a gov't based solution at all. That it puts the power in the hands of the people at a local level, it doesn't seem to qualify as what passes for leftist in the US these days.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Nooska » Sun Oct 06, 2013 11:54 pm

Fridmarr wrote: That it puts the power in the hands of the people at a local level, it doesn't seem to qualify as what passes for leftist in the US these days.


Interesting take (just to put the opposoite spin on it. Thats statement could be more or less be taken from the official party line of at least 2 socialist (well 1 socialist and one communist-wannabe) parties in Denmark.

Just goes to show that left/right isn't very precise anymore.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby KysenMurrin » Mon Oct 07, 2013 12:18 am

Indeed - putting power in the hands of the people is pretty much the purpose of socialism.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Fridmarr » Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:12 am

Yeah, Nooska has informed me that in his country I'd be a socialist...

And as I said, it's a generic statement, you could also pull it out of the US Libertarian party platform.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Oct 07, 2013 9:53 am

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Melathys » Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:49 am

Brekkie wrote:
That's some remarkably leftist rhetoric from a staunch republican.


My dad, as I do, believes in what Republicans are supposed to stand for, limited government and personal liberties. Republicans do not represent that anymore. I'd say they are now the exact opposite of that, trying to pass more government to take away more liberties.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Amirya » Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:16 am

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Melathys » Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:30 am



I saw that before. The way Republicans are going, they want us to be as much a Christian state as a Muslim state. I was talking to a Mormon friend of mine who was out pushing for Prop 8. He said he doesn't have a problem with gays, he just doesn't think they should marry. I then asked him.. "Are christians the only religious group to marry? Is America made up of only Christians? Do even all Christians hold this view?." He goes "No No No, its just my opinion." "Why do you want your opinion to become the law? Sounds like some Sharia law Muslim state crap to me, except you want us to be a Leviticus law Christian state." He didn't have much to say about that, but continued doing what he was doing.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Shoju » Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:53 am

Klaudandus wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/10/07/new-air-force-cargo-planes-fly-straight-into-mothballs/?intcmp=latestnews

*facedesk*



Speaking with my Sister In Law's Fiance, who is a mechanic at the local ANG base, (the one mentioned in Ohio in the article), they HATE the C27J, and want their damn C130's back.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Arnock » Mon Oct 07, 2013 5:45 pm

Klaudandus wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/10/07/new-air-force-cargo-planes-fly-straight-into-mothballs/?intcmp=latestnews

*facedesk*



It sounds stupid, but I can kind of see their logic.

The planes are already bought and paid for, and cancelling an almost complete program would probably cause more headache than it's worth.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Oct 07, 2013 5:54 pm

Arnock wrote:
Klaudandus wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/10/07/new-air-force-cargo-planes-fly-straight-into-mothballs/?intcmp=latestnews

*facedesk*



It sounds stupid, but I can kind of see their logic.

The planes are already bought and paid for, and cancelling an almost complete program would probably cause more headache than it's worth.


The problem is that they ordered far many more than needed.
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