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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:27 pm

Point there. Thinking about it, it actually sounds like plausible deniability.

"Hey, I meant to block titties! It's not my fault that the ISPs are blocking information on contraception"
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Koatanga » Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:34 pm

Compliance is simple - in the terms and conditions of my ISP, I would insert a line that people agree to be responsible for their own porn filtering, and that they understand there is no such filtering happening at the ISP level. All of my clients can either accept the provision or get another ISP.

It's not that I would want to promote porn; I just wouldn't bear the cost of such censorship.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby KysenMurrin » Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:49 pm

One small ISP's site I saw was saying they would comply with the "active choice" by offering a Censorship/no censorship option, and then for anyone who chooses censorship, having a popup that suggests they move to North Korea.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:57 pm

*snerk*
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Fridmarr » Tue Jul 23, 2013 9:25 pm

Klaudandus wrote:Well well well... Looks like Scalia and the SCOTUS were wrong. NC has risen up to the challenge and try to undermine voting rights.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/0 ... ppression/
That's not a logical summary.
That a legislature may pass laws that violate voting rights doesn't make SCOTUS wrong. I highly doubt that SCOTUS indicated that no legislature will ever again pass a law that violates voting rights.

To be clear, SCOTUS didn't change the rules around what makes a law regarding voting rights constitutional they changed the procedure for challenging those laws, by getting rid of special laws that only affected certain districts based on defunct data. If these new laws do in fact violate the rights of voters, they can be challenged and overturned. Now all jurisdictions are subject to the same procedure, so that all of our citizens have equal rights.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Koatanga » Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:47 am

Fridmarr wrote:all of our citizens have equal rights.


That officially qualifies as the 2nd funniest thing I've seen today.

To be fair, the first was this:

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Snake-Aes » Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:01 pm

Protests continue, and monday's took advantage of the pope's visit to RJ.

Some evidences were found suggesting that the guy who sparked violent conflict among protesters was in fact an undercover cop.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:52 pm

Snake-Aes wrote:Protests continue, and monday's took advantage of the pope's visit to RJ.

Some evidences were found suggesting that the guy who sparked violent conflict among protesters was in fact an undercover cop.
Ya-fucking-ay.


*facedesk* false flag operation?
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Snake-Aes » Wed Jul 24, 2013 4:01 pm

With this place's history of police all but itching to beat the shit out of anything smarter than a snail, my guess is that they were given orders to give them an excuse to use force.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:33 am

Well, NC has decided to up the crazy.
http://wtkr.com/2013/07/25/n-c-abortion ... -governor/
And
http://wtkr.com/2013/07/24/nc-lawmakers ... staurants/

I guess they dont want Texas to have a monopoly on dumb/crazy
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Snake-Aes » Sat Jul 27, 2013 1:59 pm

"Yeah, you can carry hidden weapons into the place people go to get drunk. Where people are spectacularly famous for fighting drunk".

Business as usual, I'd say.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Koatanga » Sat Jul 27, 2013 4:00 pm

Let's assume for a moment they're not just passing things because they're bat-crap-crazy. What would be the compelling reason leading to someone making a bill that would allow guns in bars, parks, and school parking lots?
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby fuzzygeek » Sat Jul 27, 2013 6:29 pm

I'd imagine the argument is that laws banning them would mean the only people with them would be the kind of people who don't obey laws anyway. I've not read the articles yet but the school parking lot may be intended to cover teachers and administrators who keep firearms in their cars. Parks in some places include parks with significant wildlife where you might want to carry as well. Bars just seem imprudent, but again, it just means you disarm law abiding citizens. Frankly you could do more to curtail deaths by outlawing the serving of alcohol at bars ...
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Snake-Aes » Sat Jul 27, 2013 9:00 pm

Like that have ever turned out well :p

On disarming only lawful citizens, I can only say whether that's a good argument after testing it. Time for statistics, I guess.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby fuzzygeek » Sat Jul 27, 2013 10:57 pm

Exactly :]

As far as disarming lawful citizens, iirc the vast majority of mass shooting in recent years has been in a "gun free zone"; one exception that comes to mind happened in a parking lot in AZ. I'd have to do some digging for numbers.

Edited to remove stats I am unsure about.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Fivelives » Sat Jul 27, 2013 11:31 pm

I'm not sure about NC, or the new CCW laws (my permit isn't due for renewal until 2014), but in my state, the only places you can't carry concealed are behind metal detectors. So that doesn't really limit you from carrying anywhere other than airports and government buildings. Places that serve alcohol are fine. That might've changed when they passed the legislation forcing all states to recognize issued permits regardless of where they were issued - I'll find out next year, I guess.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Lieris » Sun Jul 28, 2013 3:26 pm

I don't even like seeing our anti-terrorism police with firearms. I find the idea of civilians carrying guns in public profoundly upsetting.

Meanwhile, Obama is a wanker part 578: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XevsP-dIs8

I started watching the American version of House of Cards last month... shades of that!
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Sun Jul 28, 2013 4:32 pm

Seeing how the whole student loans thing was being blocked by Republicans, I dont see how that is Obama's fault.
http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.s ... on_st.html
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jul/10 ... s-20130711
http://www.wcvb.com/news/money/sen-warr ... index.html
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Koatanga » Sun Jul 28, 2013 4:54 pm

Lieris wrote:I don't even like seeing our anti-terrorism police with firearms. I find the idea of civilians carrying guns in public profoundly upsetting.

Meanwhile, Obama is a wanker part 578: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XevsP-dIs8

I started watching the American version of House of Cards last month... shades of that!

I work in the finance industry. $51 billion gross profit on a ledger of $1.2 trillion is peanuts. That's basically overhead and administration.

And it's not owed by "students" since they don't have to pay it back until they are done with college/university.

I am sympathetic to the fact that many graduates these days can't find jobs, and so can't repay their loans, but that's a different issue than the expense of the loans.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Sun Jul 28, 2013 9:06 pm

Aw hell naw
http://ffrf.org/news/action/item/18184- ... d-churches

your god broke it, let your god fix it.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Jul 30, 2013 10:02 am

http://www.npr.org/2013/07/30/206654000 ... ly-success

Before
"For goodness sakes, of course the employees and the retirees like it, it's free," says Republican State Sen. Dave Lewis.

He wonders what that free price tag is actually costing the state government as well as the wider Helena community.

"If they're taking money out of the hospital's pocket, the hospital's raising the price on other things to offset that," Lewis says.

After:
Now, Lewis is a retired state employee himself. He says, personally, he does like going there, too.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Sun Aug 04, 2013 10:56 am

An article from 1998 that seems awfully apropos on the GOP
"The Republican Party is increasingly a party of the South and the mountains. The southernness of its congressional leaders -- Speaker Newt Gingrich, of Georgia; House Majority Leader Dick Armey and House Majority Whip Tom DeLay, of Texas; Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott, of Mississippi; Senate Majority Whip Don Nickles, of Oklahoma -- only heightens the identification. There is a big problem with having a southern, as opposed to a midwestern or a California, base. Southern interests diverge from those of the rest of the country, and the southern presence in the Republican Party has passed a "tipping point," at which it began to alienate voters from other regions.

As southern control over the Republican agenda grows, the party alienates even conservative voters in other regions. The prevalence of right-to-work laws in southern states may be depriving Republicans of the socially conservative midwestern trade unionists whom they managed to split in the Reagan years, and sending Reagan Democrats back to their ancestral party in the process. Anti-government sentiment makes little sense in New England, where government, as even those who hate it will concede, is neither remote nor unresponsive.

The most profound clash between the South and everyone else, of course, is a cultural one. It arises from the southern tradition of putting values -- particularly Christian values -- at the center of politics. This is not the same as saying that the Republican Party is "too far right"; Americans consistently tell pollsters that they are conservative on values issues. It is, rather, that the Republicans have narrowly defined "values" as the folkways of one regional subculture, and have urged their imposition on the rest of the country. Again, the nonsoutherners who object to this style of politics may be just as conservative as those who practice it. But they are put off to see that "traditional" values are now defined by the majority party as the values of the U-Haul-renting denizens of two-year-old churches and three-year-old shopping malls.

http://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/is ... un/gop.htm
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Aug 05, 2013 4:04 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YojKugFDzNk#at=23
"At that point we have to stand up and win the argument and say to the American people, 'No, we voted to fund the government, but why is Barack Obama threatening to shut down the government?'"

"...I think shut down is a misnomer. What it is in fact is a partial, temporary shut down because Social Security checks continue to flow, the military continues to be paid, the national debt continues to be serviced."

"If there's no Continuing Resolution in effect, then what happens is non-essential government functions are temporarily suspended. Now that's inconvenient, but we actually see that every single week on the weekends," added Sen. Cruz.


So... force a shutdown of the government and blame the other guy? Okay...
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:48 am

I feel bad for AZ, and I hope they can reach a compromise with FEMA to help out AZ with the fires...but I can't stand Flake and McCain bitching about FEMA/AZ not getting federal aid, when they voted against Hurricane Sandy relief.
http://www.opencongress.org/vote/2013/s/4

Typical "I got mine, Fuck off"
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Shoju » Sun Aug 11, 2013 7:25 pm

http://news.yahoo.com/tenn-judge-change ... 23538.html

To some of our non us members, this probably isn't that shocking, but to me, this is downright appalling. I don't believe that anyone should be able to tell people that they can't name their child something, unless it's something terrible (Like say...., Fuckwit Dumbass)

But, telling someone that they can't name their child Messiah, and then follow it up with a religious connotation about how it's a title that only one person has earned, and that person is Jesus Christ, shows a serious problem with the separation of religion and government in the country.

Seriously Judge? You are a Fuckwit Dumbass.
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