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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:03 pm

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/0 ... 70588.html

Basically "We want to protect unborns, but screw them if they want to qualify for health care services because they're not born yet"

Aren't Republicans against public health care whether the person is born or not?


Touche.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Sagara » Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:17 pm

THen again, why wouldn't he state THAT as his reasoning ("In an economy in crisis, it is our solemn duty to keep a close watch on our government's spendings yadda yadda yadda") Instead of something like "welp, not born yet!" which is really opening himself to the pro-choice group?
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby fuzzygeek » Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:27 pm

It's becoming overwhelmingly apparent that some people go into politics when they can't do fuck all else.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby KysenMurrin » Thu Jul 11, 2013 12:17 am

Sagara wrote:THen again, why wouldn't he state THAT as his reasoning ("In an economy in crisis, it is our solemn duty to keep a close watch on our government's spendings yadda yadda yadda") Instead of something like "welp, not born yet!" which is really opening himself to the pro-choice group?

Reads to me like the "not born yet!" was a knee-jerk reaction and they hadn't actually thought it through.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Sagara » Thu Jul 11, 2013 12:30 am

Indeed. Doesn't make it less of a major faux pas. In fact it makes it even more of a bad call - if you can't be trusted to think your answers to political questions through, how can you be trusted to lead?
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:09 am

Everything is bigger in Texas, even the stupidity if the house if representatives and state senate.

Also, stay classy Texas
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby fuzzygeek » Sat Jul 13, 2013 2:52 pm

Apparently people were bringing in jars of urine, shit, and paint, along with used tampons. Yeesh. Optics, people.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:12 am

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2013/02 ... gle+Reader

*facedesk*

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Fivelives » Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:27 am

The problem with politics today is that the electorate, by and large, doesn't educate itself on the candidates' platforms. News doesn't report it, or the reporting is so biased as to be virtually unusable in regards to forming an opinion, and people simply either don't have the time or don't have the interest to research the candidates on both sides of the election.

That's how we get politicians in office that seem to think they have carte blanche to do whatever the hell they want, regardless of what their electorate believes. Because they know, pretty much beyond all doubt, that their reelection is essentially on lock - thanks to people voting blindly along party lines, regardless of how far away those lines may be from their personal beliefs.

I was talking to a coworker the other day about just that - she used to be firmly republican, but recently looked at the differences between her personal feelings and suddenly realized that the republican party moved so far to the right that she's essentially a liberal now, or might as well be.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:44 am

Fivelives wrote:The problem with politics today is that the electorate, by and large, doesn't educate itself on the candidates' platforms. News doesn't report it, or the reporting is so biased as to be virtually unusable in regards to forming an opinion, and people simply either don't have the time or don't have the interest to research the candidates on both sides of the election.

That's how we get politicians in office that seem to think they have carte blanche to do whatever the hell they want, regardless of what their electorate believes. Because they know, pretty much beyond all doubt, that their reelection is essentially on lock - thanks to people voting blindly along party lines, regardless of how far away those lines may be from their personal beliefs.

I was talking to a coworker the other day about just that - she used to be firmly republican, but recently looked at the differences between her personal feelings and suddenly realized that the republican party moved so far to the right that she's essentially a liberal now, or might as well be.


Yep.

Stonekettle remarks on that on one of his posts.
http://www.stonekettle.com/2011/12/ever ... avent.html

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Jabari » Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:48 am

No, Fivelives.

There are two problems:

The first is the media. Luckily, justice was done in Sanford, but you wouldn't know it if your only source of information is the MSM. I hope CNN, HLN, and MSDNC are sued into bankruptcy over that case - that's far, far less than they deserve.

The other problem of course is the electorate is just ... savage. Willfully ignorant, horribly mal- (or un-)educated, and a vast majority treat vice as virtue. This country has lost most of what made it civilized, and I'm afraid the only way back involves bloodshed, given that secession won't be allowed.

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Sun Jul 14, 2013 11:42 am

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Flex » Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:02 am

Jabari wrote:
The other problem of course is the electorate is just ... savage. Willfully ignorant, horribly mal- (or un-)educated, and a vast majority treat vice as virtue. This country has lost most of what made it civilized, and I'm afraid the only way back involves bloodshed, given that secession won't be allowed.


I am 100% sure that the electorate has never been educated enough to even come close to this romanticized vision that some people have of the past.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Fivelives » Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:22 am

No, not even close. I agree - but I don't remember people glorifying in their mistaken beliefs, either, or refusing to be educated at all.

Take Obamacare, for instance. One of the doctors in my area (an optometrist, but still) has been bitching about it to anyone who will listen. He's absolutely convinced that government workers will be rationing healthcare despite all of the evidence to the contrary.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby cdan » Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:50 am

Flex wrote:
Jabari wrote:
The other problem of course is the electorate is just ... savage. Willfully ignorant, horribly mal- (or un-)educated, and a vast majority treat vice as virtue. This country has lost most of what made it civilized, and I'm afraid the only way back involves bloodshed, given that secession won't be allowed.


I am 100% sure that the electorate has never been educated enough to even come close to this romanticized vision that some people have of the past.


Voters have always been politically illiterate. Even the roman politicos knew the value of bread and circuses.

What is different these days is the extent to which pseudonyms need to be used for old fashioned ideas. When the right want to bash racial minorities they use words like Urban and Immigrant.

One big change I am keen on is the fact that the bigots have started identifying themselves as outside of the mainstream by painting themselves and their ideas as victims of the "lamestream" media and similar. That is a significant view as it spells an acceptance of their marginalisation. As soon as you admit that you no longer play a central role in life you are admitting you are heading towards irrelevance. I just hope that, in the US especially, the bigots don't cause too much damage on the way down (as they are trying to do in various southern states with their pernicious abortion laws).
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Nooska » Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:41 pm

Well the direct election of a representative (rather than apportioned representatives) in districts, did make the electorate "better educated" back when it was smaller, and the election was held by people showing up and selecting in some sort of common session - they knew who the person they selected was - it was someone they knew, personally (thought maybe not socially).
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Qeeze » Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:54 pm

Most people have little to no interest in politics, and unfortunately when they actually do form opinions, it's usually based more on emotion {or the bent of the media they follow), than sound reasoning. People just don't think things through on their own. They rely on being told by someone else what they should be for or against. So I have a few random questions I'd like to discuss.

Why do election cycles last so long?

Why do some states have far more clout than warranted.

Why is redistricting & the Census done every 10 years still? This isn't the 19th century anymore after all.

Why don't we have a reliable methods of voting with systems that are actually accurate, with results tabulated & announced instantly?

Why do we allow gerrymandering safe districts regardless of which party it favors?

I have lots more but I kept it to 5.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Amirya » Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:50 pm

The short answer:

Because no one is willing to take the steps necessary to fix the garbage that is US politics.

(Sadly, that also includes me, because I just can't give a damn about the US.)

The long answer:

Will have to come from someone else who has more knowledge than I do.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Nooska » Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:21 pm

I gotta ask, for teh first question there "why do election cycles last so long?" - whar are you referring to there? the every 2/4)/6?) years a specific person is up for re-election? or the time of being in an actual race/contest?
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby fuzzygeek » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:01 am

wrt cycle lengths, you can campaign for the fucking job, or you can *do* the fucking job. Hard to do a good job trying to do both at once.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:20 am

fuzzygeek wrote:wrt cycle lengths, you can campaign for the fucking job, or you can *do* the fucking job. Hard to do a good job trying to do both at once.


I fucking hate that. So I agree.

Also, it would be nice if there were term limits for everyone. I'm annoyed several senators, both at state level and national level have been there since I was in middle school.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:22 am

Was tempted to post this on amusements section instead...

http://snipelondon.com/scoop/emirates-c ... next-mayor

So, London Mayor signs a 10 year contract with UAE to sponsor a car, the contract bans criticism on the contract itself plus also bans making any business with Israel.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby fuzzygeek » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:55 am

I would argue part of the problem with American politics is that few people think it's strange that one can be a "career politician."
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:07 am

I do think its strange... and disgusting... mostly disgusting to be honest. >=/
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