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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby econ21 » Fri Jun 21, 2013 4:54 am

Nooska wrote:To be fair, nazism was only peripherally about racial superiority, ...


If you had said that about Italy's Fascism, I would have agreed with you but it's vastly under-stating the importance of racial superiority in Germany's National Socialism. It was the central tenet of Hitler's thinking. Here's the last two lines of Mein Kampf:

Hitler wrote:A state which in this age of racial poisoning dedicates itself to the care of its best racial elements must some day become lord of the earth.
May the adherents of our movement never forget this if ever the magnitude of the sacrifices should beguile them to an anxious comparison with the possible results.


There were lots of nationalists in inter-war Germany, it's true. But it was the racial element that distinguished Nazism from the other right wing nationalists. The socialist part of their title is misleading - Nazism was a backlash against Marxism and the rise of Communism, not a variant of it.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Thalia » Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:42 am

Snake-Aes wrote:Some of you probably heard what's going on here in Brazil. By and large corruption's a huge deal, and it's a cultural thing as much as a political thing. Those of you that have played free online games with large Brazilian populations probably had a taste of it already. Just shift the dickery towards trickery and you'll have a good idea, but here I'll focus on the political issues.
For example, things like politicians owning the companies that will sell products to the offices, with inflated budgets is normal. To give a sense of scale on these phony budgets, in my time as a service desk tech for the ministry of environment (one with a relatively low budget and most corruption is on the field rather than the offices) I tested a few laptop models for a nearby batch purchase. Most models costed 400 to 600 dollars and would be purchased for around 13000 reais. Roughly 7k dollars. And when I called bullshit it was treated as a small issue, and culminated on me losing that job.

About 25% of salaries are taxed. Around 60% of most goods are also tax. Imported goods are taxed a deal more. Little of this translates into public services, and the government takes far too many populist measures (almost everyone sees the welfare system crashing everything in a near future).

Just this week the Human Rights Committee approved one instance of a project that removes the prohibition from shrinks to treat homosexuality.

So. Enough people are pissed off at these things, but by and large no one mobilized about it. This changed when the last few measures by the government caused protests that very quickly escalated into national levels, at which point abuse of force happened and sparked even more protesters. Gatherings of these levels haven't happened in 20 or so years, when a president was deposed.

Right now things are heating up more and more, but thankfully seems to be more peaceful. I participated in two of those mobilizations and like what I'm seeing...but I'm worried because there's a lack of focus. The mob wants far too many things to want anything.


Uhh. Hi there.


I am sorry to hear about it, but this boiling over hopefully leads to things being better.

I can tell you that I deal with Brazil a lot, it is one of the only countries in South America I ship to, but I sell a lot there.

I always have Brazilians asking me to lie on the declaration forms, ALWAYS. They are taxed so heavily on anything imported. Oh and if I dare send something not tracked...I might as well have sent a gift because they will claim they never got it or charge back my paypal account. I only send express mail now to Brazil.

Me and my dad always wanted to go there, we are loved watching soccer together and he always admired Brazilian teams.

Anyway, I hope things get better for you all on all levels of government, personally your customs offices and trade taxes.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Snake-Aes » Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:50 am

I'm on the team that'd rather not buy or eat the taxes than make the vendors lie...but that tends to end in the "not buy" part DX
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Thalia » Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:52 am

Ya I never lie on the customs, no way I'm jeopardizing my business.

But I have it clearly stated on my e-bay policy that I WILL NOT LIE ON CUSTOMS FORMS SO DON'T ASK ME! But they still do lol.

I mean I get their point of view, they want these items, they work hard, and they want to buy them. They can't get them over there, or they can but the prices are insane, then they have to pay 60% duties on them...jeeesh.

Honestly, I buy stuff from the UK a lot, and stuff from Mexico...I've never had to pay duties on them. But if you bring stuff into Mexico from the US you have to pay duties. I am not sure what our laws are here in the US about import taxes, I just know that I have never been asked to pay them when I buy stuff from the UK, Mexico or Canada.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Jun 21, 2013 11:14 am

The whole Mexico thing probably falls under nafta, that said, that treaty was heavily biased in favor of the US.

/former customs broker.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Snake-Aes » Sat Jun 22, 2013 3:27 pm

One of the most repeated phrases in this deal is "it's not just the 20 cents". It's a reference to the spark of the first tumults that then rose to the current state: The raise in public transport tariffs. The government went back on that decision and tried to take the issue lightly.

This is way more what the whole deal is "about":
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Nooska » Sun Jun 23, 2013 4:09 am

VAT of 47%?

And to think we have right-of-the-center politicians railing about our VAT of 25%.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Flex » Mon Jun 24, 2013 10:33 am

Texas state Rep Jodie Laubenberg should watch some Law and Order: SVU to learn what a rape kit does. "in the emergency room, they have what's called rape kits, where a woman can get cleaned out."
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Fivelives » Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:51 pm

Texas will not always be a red state, and the more Republicans try to crawl into our uterus, the faster it will turn blue.


I seriously lost my shit when I read that. The article itself was full of the usual "what the FUCK, Texas!?" but that line just made my day.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Jun 26, 2013 5:35 am

Texas can't become blue fast enough.
http://news.yahoo.com/texas-abortion-bi ... 30212.html

But seriously... again... leave abortion legislation to women!
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:17 am

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Jun 26, 2013 5:54 pm

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics ... issues.ece
“Through their duly elected representatives, the citizens of our state have made crystal clear their priorities for our great state,” Perry said in his proclamation.

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Amirya » Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:39 pm

So Texas has no problems with the economy, or social welfare issues, or taxes, or any number of other things? Why the fuck did they attach the abortion bill to a transportation/juvenile justice bill then?

Srsly, can we just give Texas back to Mexico?
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:55 pm

I think Mexico already has many problems of its own.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Dantriges » Thu Jun 27, 2013 4:13 am

So if I understand the news article correctly the democrats sent one women to the speaker´s podium to killtalk the bill for 11 hours, the capitol was full of people who were protesting the bill and he wants to try it again?
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Jun 27, 2013 4:23 am

Yes. These so called small government advocates dont get the irony about them setting the rules that control a uterus that they clearly do not own.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby KysenMurrin » Thu Jun 27, 2013 4:49 am

The problem is that when they do take a vote, it will get through. They know that the only way to stop it is obstruction. So they get to ignore all the protesting and say that they must be in the right because they have a majority.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:18 am

KysenMurrin wrote:The problem is that when they do take a vote, it will get through. They know that the only way to stop it is obstruction. So they get to ignore all the protesting and say that they must be in the right because they have a majority.

The irony lies on perry's remark that the reps are just following the will of the people.

Texas cannot get blue fast enough...
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Koatanga » Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:18 pm

Klaudandus wrote:
KysenMurrin wrote:The problem is that when they do take a vote, it will get through. They know that the only way to stop it is obstruction. So they get to ignore all the protesting and say that they must be in the right because they have a majority.

The irony lies on perry's remark that the reps are just following the will of the people.

Texas cannot get blue fast enough...

I'm willing to bet if it went to popular vote it would pass, so Perry might not be wrong. I think there would be enough Christian anti-abortion sentiment to carry it.

Yes, there are protesters, but they may not - and probably don't - represent the majority of the people. We're talking about the state that invented the "Texas Textbook". These people have been raised without the benefit of reality.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:30 pm

The biggest cities are turning blue... Wendy Davies is from the DFW metroplex, Houston elected its first openly lesbian mayor, Austin itself has always been blue, San Antonio is turning blue as well, and the rio grande valley has been blue for at least 10 years.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby fuzzygeek » Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:35 pm

Klaudandus wrote:leave abortion legislation to women!


Should women be left out of men's issues legislation?
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Jun 27, 2013 6:15 pm

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Snake-Aes » Sat Jun 29, 2013 10:10 am

Another curious number: the combined value of the senators, deputies and their ilk (around 60k people) goes over five billions per year. More than the country's budget for research. Or police.

Each gets about 26 grand a month, plus another 15 grand spread among a series of benefits, unlimited health care of all sorts, fueling, private security. Most work roughly 3 days per week and take 2 months of vacation per year. Any given day where they work past their normal daily journey is worth an entire salary's extra.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Jul 02, 2013 9:25 pm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the ... story.html

I'd have liked to see the Bolivian plane to crash, if only because it would be a political nightmare for Portugal, France AND the US.
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