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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Snake-Aes » Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:16 pm

Some of you probably heard what's going on here in Brazil. By and large corruption's a huge deal, and it's a cultural thing as much as a political thing. Those of you that have played free online games with large Brazilian populations probably had a taste of it already. Just shift the dickery towards trickery and you'll have a good idea, but here I'll focus on the political issues.
For example, things like politicians owning the companies that will sell products to the offices, with inflated budgets is normal. To give a sense of scale on these phony budgets, in my time as a service desk tech for the ministry of environment (one with a relatively low budget and most corruption is on the field rather than the offices) I tested a few laptop models for a nearby batch purchase. Most models costed 400 to 600 dollars and would be purchased for around 13000 reais. Roughly 7k dollars. And when I called bullshit it was treated as a small issue, and culminated on me losing that job.

About 25% of salaries are taxed. Around 60% of most goods are also tax. Imported goods are taxed a deal more. Little of this translates into public services, and the government takes far too many populist measures (almost everyone sees the welfare system crashing everything in a near future).

Just this week the Human Rights Committee approved one instance of a project that removes the prohibition from shrinks to treat homosexuality.

So. Enough people are pissed off at these things, but by and large no one mobilized about it. This changed when the last few measures by the government caused protests that very quickly escalated into national levels, at which point abuse of force happened and sparked even more protesters. Gatherings of these levels haven't happened in 20 or so years, when a president was deposed.

Right now things are heating up more and more, but thankfully seems to be more peaceful. I participated in two of those mobilizations and like what I'm seeing...but I'm worried because there's a lack of focus. The mob wants far too many things to want anything.


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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:30 pm

wow...
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Snake-Aes » Tue Jun 18, 2013 6:22 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZApBgNQgKPU
This kinda sums up the general idea.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Shoju » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:53 am

As a business, I have considered removing Brazil from my list of Countries that I will ship to.

EVERY transaction I have had in the past 12 months with a customer from Brazil has included them wanting me to mark the package as a gift. They don't want to pay for the Import Customs Duties. I can firmly say every single transaction, as it came up in the meeting when we were reviewing several countries that we may not ship to anymore. I went back and checked. Just over 50 sales in 12 months to Brazil. All of them requesting the same thing. All of them getting mad when I said that I couldn't, because I wasn't putting my very expensive Exporting License on the line over what has amounted to ~$2500 in sales.

On top of that, We have about a 25% loss of product when it goes through Brazil Customs. My tracking information shows it reaches Customs, and then no further. this problem, is a HUGE problem, and it has actually caused other online businesses to alter their policies because of it. Brazil doesn't honor Insurance Claims on International items. Because of this, several prominent online selling venues have changed Brazil to a "proof of shipment" is enough to fulfill the obligation of the seller.

I knew that some of it was a culture thing, and figured based on the problems with customs, that it was a governmental issue as well, but to hear it the way you have presented it, is a little surprising. How the country is still maintaining some level of "operations" after at least a decade of it (I've been in e-commerce for 13 years, and it's always been this way) is astounding.

I hope that the country is able to find some footing soon.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Snake-Aes » Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:46 pm

Shoju wrote:As a business, I have considered removing Brazil from my list of Countries that I will ship to.

EVERY transaction I have had in the past 12 months with a customer from Brazil has included them wanting me to mark the package as a gift. They don't want to pay for the Import Customs Duties.
It's pretty heavy. Except for books just about everything is taxed a little over 55% of the market + shipping price, usually closer to the 60% mark. And then another 12% on top of the final value.
They tax shipping. This particular bit astounds me a good deal still today.

And if you look for a manual on how these taxes are charged, you won't find anything decent over here, not even in the government sites or telephones. Fedex explains Brazil's customs rules better than Brazil.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Shoju » Wed Jun 19, 2013 1:08 pm

Snake-Aes wrote:
Shoju wrote:As a business, I have considered removing Brazil from my list of Countries that I will ship to.

EVERY transaction I have had in the past 12 months with a customer from Brazil has included them wanting me to mark the package as a gift. They don't want to pay for the Import Customs Duties.
It's pretty heavy. Except for books just about everything is taxed a little over 55% of the market + shipping price, usually closer to the 60% mark. And then another 12% on top of the final value.
They tax shipping. This particular bit astounds me a good deal still today.

And if you look for a manual on how these taxes are charged, you won't find anything decent over here, not even in the government sites or telephones. Fedex explains Brazil's customs rules better than Brazil.


Taxing shipping isn't surprising to me.

I live on Ohio.
If you live in Ohio, and purchase soemthing from me, I have to charge you sales tax on the price of the item + shipping. Now, if you live outside of Ohio, I don't have to charge you jack in shipping.

It's a sad state that it's gotten so bad with bureaucracy there. I have a small, dedicated group of buyers in Brazil. I've been wondering how their businesses will fair in the coming craziness.

I have one guy that actually has his engines Argentina, and then has some way he brings them in from there, just to make sure that they make it through customs. He lost ~$150 bucks on a small engine (meant for a bicycle) that Customs...> "Lost"
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Snake-Aes » Thu Jun 20, 2013 4:14 pm

Things are getting crazier by the minute. Protests are breaking records, and in Rio there's a visible tension as, apparently, a neonazist group is leading attempts to hurt Left party supporters.
The whole thing is rather absurd to me, because 1) This isn't really a partidary riot, so there's no point in trying leverage with/against parties. and 2) Why the fuck do people here bother with nazism? All moral quandaries aside, the WASP archetype by definition is against latins <.<


There's a very poetic irony going on right now...The president Dilma, an old-time revolutionary for the people, against the military dictatorship...is being protected by the army. From the people.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Jun 20, 2013 5:45 pm

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Koatanga » Thu Jun 20, 2013 5:58 pm

Klaudandus wrote:http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2013/06/19/pol-mask-bill-royal-assent.html

About time. I always see people wearing masks in riots in Canada. And pads, which isn't fair. And they carry big bent sticks.

Oh wait, those are hockey games.

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Nooska » Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:21 pm

To be fair, nazism was only peripherally about racial superiority, thats just the part that stuck out for history, because you can't vilify the core (as easily), as thats just another political viewpoint (nationalism and socialism respectively, mashed together - and nationalism was the order of the day in the "in between" years for most of europe (and the US too)
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby econ21 » Fri Jun 21, 2013 4:54 am

Nooska wrote:To be fair, nazism was only peripherally about racial superiority, ...


If you had said that about Italy's Fascism, I would have agreed with you but it's vastly under-stating the importance of racial superiority in Germany's National Socialism. It was the central tenet of Hitler's thinking. Here's the last two lines of Mein Kampf:

Hitler wrote:A state which in this age of racial poisoning dedicates itself to the care of its best racial elements must some day become lord of the earth.
May the adherents of our movement never forget this if ever the magnitude of the sacrifices should beguile them to an anxious comparison with the possible results.


There were lots of nationalists in inter-war Germany, it's true. But it was the racial element that distinguished Nazism from the other right wing nationalists. The socialist part of their title is misleading - Nazism was a backlash against Marxism and the rise of Communism, not a variant of it.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Thalia » Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:42 am

Snake-Aes wrote:Some of you probably heard what's going on here in Brazil. By and large corruption's a huge deal, and it's a cultural thing as much as a political thing. Those of you that have played free online games with large Brazilian populations probably had a taste of it already. Just shift the dickery towards trickery and you'll have a good idea, but here I'll focus on the political issues.
For example, things like politicians owning the companies that will sell products to the offices, with inflated budgets is normal. To give a sense of scale on these phony budgets, in my time as a service desk tech for the ministry of environment (one with a relatively low budget and most corruption is on the field rather than the offices) I tested a few laptop models for a nearby batch purchase. Most models costed 400 to 600 dollars and would be purchased for around 13000 reais. Roughly 7k dollars. And when I called bullshit it was treated as a small issue, and culminated on me losing that job.

About 25% of salaries are taxed. Around 60% of most goods are also tax. Imported goods are taxed a deal more. Little of this translates into public services, and the government takes far too many populist measures (almost everyone sees the welfare system crashing everything in a near future).

Just this week the Human Rights Committee approved one instance of a project that removes the prohibition from shrinks to treat homosexuality.

So. Enough people are pissed off at these things, but by and large no one mobilized about it. This changed when the last few measures by the government caused protests that very quickly escalated into national levels, at which point abuse of force happened and sparked even more protesters. Gatherings of these levels haven't happened in 20 or so years, when a president was deposed.

Right now things are heating up more and more, but thankfully seems to be more peaceful. I participated in two of those mobilizations and like what I'm seeing...but I'm worried because there's a lack of focus. The mob wants far too many things to want anything.


Uhh. Hi there.


I am sorry to hear about it, but this boiling over hopefully leads to things being better.

I can tell you that I deal with Brazil a lot, it is one of the only countries in South America I ship to, but I sell a lot there.

I always have Brazilians asking me to lie on the declaration forms, ALWAYS. They are taxed so heavily on anything imported. Oh and if I dare send something not tracked...I might as well have sent a gift because they will claim they never got it or charge back my paypal account. I only send express mail now to Brazil.

Me and my dad always wanted to go there, we are loved watching soccer together and he always admired Brazilian teams.

Anyway, I hope things get better for you all on all levels of government, personally your customs offices and trade taxes.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Snake-Aes » Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:50 am

I'm on the team that'd rather not buy or eat the taxes than make the vendors lie...but that tends to end in the "not buy" part DX
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Thalia » Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:52 am

Ya I never lie on the customs, no way I'm jeopardizing my business.

But I have it clearly stated on my e-bay policy that I WILL NOT LIE ON CUSTOMS FORMS SO DON'T ASK ME! But they still do lol.

I mean I get their point of view, they want these items, they work hard, and they want to buy them. They can't get them over there, or they can but the prices are insane, then they have to pay 60% duties on them...jeeesh.

Honestly, I buy stuff from the UK a lot, and stuff from Mexico...I've never had to pay duties on them. But if you bring stuff into Mexico from the US you have to pay duties. I am not sure what our laws are here in the US about import taxes, I just know that I have never been asked to pay them when I buy stuff from the UK, Mexico or Canada.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Jun 21, 2013 11:14 am

The whole Mexico thing probably falls under nafta, that said, that treaty was heavily biased in favor of the US.

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