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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Koatanga » Wed May 08, 2013 4:22 pm

Fridmarr wrote:High level:
Basically when certain workers work more than 40 hours a week, they get paid overtime.  Overtime is paid at 1.5x their normal hourly rate.  This bill would allow workers to choose between overtime pay and comp time.  Comp time is basically paid hours off work, basically additional vacation.  The bill states that comp time be awarded (at a minimum) at the same rate as overtime pay.  1.5hours per overtime hour worked.
 
It really can be quite handy to have that flexibility, and it's totally a choice.  The worker can take the pay or even if the worker takes the hours and doesn't use them, the worker can cash the hours back in for the pay anyhow.

Comp time wouldn't do me any good. I'm too busy to take my normally accrued vacation time, much less any additional comp time.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Fridmarr » Wed May 08, 2013 4:24 pm

Ok...so take the pay. The only change is the additional choice.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Paxen » Wed May 08, 2013 11:50 pm

If a worker *is* pressured to take the time (instead of the money), what would be his recourse under the new law?

I don't think suing your employer is going to end well if you want to continue working there...
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Nooska » Thu May 09, 2013 1:43 am

How is that anti-worker? In one of the most socialist nations in europe (scandinavian socialism) that has been the norm for... 30 or 40 years - originally driven by the unions, because they didn't want to be "forced" to work overtime (you know, the kind where the person staying moves up, or is kept on when lay offs happen) and didn't want an artificial extension of the workweek (which aroundhere is down to 37 hours, with 6 weeks of paid vacation, and various holidays as well)
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Fridmarr » Thu May 09, 2013 6:01 am

Paxen wrote:If a worker *is* pressured to take the time (instead of the money), what would be his recourse under the new law?

I don't think suing your employer is going to end well if you want to continue working there...
The bill is just altering the Fair Labor Standards act, so I'd assume it's similar to any other sort of compensation grievance under that act.

Being fired for filing a grievance opens up another can of worms for the employer though.


Nooska wrote:How is that anti-worker?
Just standard partisan politics here. I think in pretty much every article I've read, the term pro-worker in reference to this bill or the GOP has been in quotes, it's an embarrassment but nothing new.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Shoju » Thu May 09, 2013 6:43 am

My biggest objection is the removal of recourse through the system, and the need to pursue it in court.

That's incredibly anti worker IMO.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Fridmarr » Thu May 09, 2013 8:25 am

Shoju wrote:My biggest objection is the removal of recourse through the system, and the need to pursue it in court.

That's incredibly anti worker IMO.


Well I disagree that that would make the bill anti worker, but I think it's moot because I don't think the assertion is accurate.  I've seen a few other articles suggest the same thing, but a ton of the articles I've read are blatantly false.  They just reaffirm my years old choice about not reading that crap.
 
I've read the bill, it's actually fairly short and not totally full of legalese so it's not too difficult to read.  I didn't see anything to suggest that the grievance process was changed.  First, it's not clear to me, that such current disputes are currently handled through some system. Well, outside of collective bargaining but that supersedes this too.
 
The only section in the new bill dealing with remedies is simply restating (almost word for word) the text dealing with employers violating the overtime pay provision, but just changing it to refer to the overtime compensatory time provision.  In other words, it basically says all the recourse stuff dealing with overtime pay also deals with overtime comp time, and it states the same liability level.

Is my interpretation inaccurate?
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Fri May 10, 2013 5:59 am

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby KysenMurrin » Fri May 10, 2013 7:01 am

Wait... is it actually legal for a state to ban the enforcement of federal law?
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Fridmarr » Fri May 10, 2013 10:08 am

Yes and no. The legalization of marijuana in Washington and Colorado is an example. State and local law enforcement consider possession (of less than an oz) and use legal and will not arrest you for it. A federal agent however considers it illegal and can arrest you for it.

I think the feds can take the states to court to get their legalization laws thrown out, but it's a grey area.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Flex » Fri May 10, 2013 10:10 am

UN Sustainability voodoo is the best voodoo.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby KysenMurrin » Fri May 10, 2013 10:11 am

There's a difference between legalising something that the federal forces consider illegal, and making enforcing federal law a criminal offence, though.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Fridmarr » Fri May 10, 2013 10:19 am

KysenMurrin wrote:There's a difference between legalising something that the federal forces consider illegal, and making enforcing federal law a criminal offence, though.

As far as the public goes it's the same.

The only effect is on a federal officer that attempts to enforce the federal law. I'm skeptical that that would work.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Fri May 10, 2013 11:28 am

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/e ... r-benghazi

"Of all the great cover-ups in history - the Pentagon papers, the Iran-Contra, Wategrate and all the rest of them - this ... is going to go down as the most serious, the most egregious cover-up in American history," Inhofe said during an appearance...
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- 2002: 10 dead in Karachi
- 2004: 9 injured in Uzbekistan
- 2004: 6 dead in Saudi Arabia
- 2006: 1 dead in Syria
- 2008: 10 dead in Yemen

As horrible and regrettable the attack on Benghazi was, fake outrage is fake.

Also, it's hard to take Fox News seriously seeing how they tout Oliver North as their expert when it comes to cover-ups, and then accusing Pickering and Mullen of lacking integrity.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Flex » Fri May 10, 2013 12:50 pm

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