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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby fuzzygeek » Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:01 am

KysenMurrin wrote:There's a difference between clear partisan bias, and bias combined with misrepresentation of facts.


Would you argue Fox is the only outlet guilty of the second, and all other outlets are pure and pristine? Or is it a question of degree?
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:15 am

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/e ... er?ref=fpa

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Shoju » Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:51 am

fuzzygeek wrote:
KysenMurrin wrote:There's a difference between clear partisan bias, and bias combined with misrepresentation of facts.


Would you argue Fox is the only outlet guilty of the second, and all other outlets are pure and pristine? Or is it a question of degree?


For me, it's a matter of degree. Most media has a bias. It's evident if you watch it.

But for Fox, not only do they have a bias, they actually work towards alienating those who don't fit their viewing demographic.

All while touting Fair and Balanced, and We Report, you decide.

I'm reminded of a time when Fox News went on a warpath, because the NEA classified Video Games as Art. They brought on a Video Game Expert (I believe it was a developer) to discuss the topic, and then went with the Call Of Duty angle. There was no talk about other games that aren't Call of Duty, that was their angle. The bloody mindless violence of Call of Duty being considered art.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/vi ... mes-as-Art

There is an article about it. Ambrozy wrote a post about his feelings about it. I thought that someone had linked it here, but my search Fu is failing me.

This is the general type of "news" you get on Fox.

Wildly biased, and inaccurate assertions, that ignore facts, in favor of shock and awe tactics meant to belittle anything that isn't Conservative in nature.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Paxen » Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:59 am

fuzzygeek wrote:Fox is outright owned by the party in question?


I never said that. I said Fox acts like it's owned by the republican party. Other media don't (again, except MSNBC, which is a reaction to Fox).

Journalists may be left-leaning, although it's more like "left-leaning" as in they actually pay attention to the facts in a lot of cases. Media owners are smart people who know where their bread are buttered and are anything but left-leaning.

Saying that media has a socialist bias here in Europe would mark you as a raving loon. The left-leaning serious media over here is a minority (but still significant), most serious media has a conservative bent, while sensationalist press is sensationalist press.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Shoju » Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:05 am

No, not owned, but when you have Karl Rove on set?

You might as well be.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Flex » Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:41 am

On one hand Fox's editorial/opinion people are strictly on the Republican side of everything. On the other hand I think Shep Smith is the best news anchor on the three cable news networks. Then on someone else's hand Fox & Friends is a thing that exists.

Journalists may be left-leaning, although it's more like "left-leaning" as in they actually pay attention to the facts in a lot of cases.


The sad truth is most journalists don't know enough about the stuff they cover to truly know the facts or call out the bullshit presented as facts.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:56 am

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013 ... er.php?m=1

And a follow up on the article I posted earlier
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Koatanga » Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:53 pm

Some "mistakes" on Fox News:

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It's "Osama", not "Obama", but Fox likes to equate the two.

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Hrm, the Democrat is winning - I know, we'll swap the tags.

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Foley is a Republican until he's disgraced, then he gets a D behind his name.

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Another Republican turns Democrat after he gets in trouble.

They don't even know their own people:
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That's Saturday Night Live's Tina Fey, not Sarah Palin.

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Apparently McCain swapped parties, too.

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Oh the hell with it.

Why do people think the health care plan is unconstitutional?
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Maybe they saw it on the news.

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Compares apples to oranges to imply unemployment rate doubled under Obama.

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Not political, but clearly has no clue of foreign geography - not that many watching would notice.

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Yeah, geography is not their strong point.

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Figures don't lie, but apparently liars can graph. Note the distances between data points and the distance between dates, to force the graph to look like a steady rise. Here's the graph as it should be:
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Apparently graphs are not their strong suit.

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:01 pm

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Holyblaze » Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:09 pm

Shoju wrote:No, not owned, but when you have Karl Rove on set?

You might as well be.



Awe come yo! There is a great many Conservative thinking people, like myself, and groups that do not like his position, fically speaking. haha I would say that most things in most of our societies is, now more than ever, based on the fical side of things.

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:31 pm

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Fridmarr » Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:36 pm

The only real difference between fox news and the rest is the side that they are on. I could enumerate all sorts of terribly biased articles (heck just check half the links on this thread) and mistakes that all organizations make. It's all junk and not worth your time to watch.

And Karl Rove is no more republican than say, George Stephanopoulos is a democrat. If that's the criteria we are using, considering the role each play on their respective network, then who owns ABC?
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Nooska » Sat Feb 23, 2013 2:59 am

Most news outlets (be they tv or print media) have a position. That has to do with the history behind news to begin with - more prevalent in europe than the US I think though.
While journalist, may support one party (or wing) more in general, the message of the news outlet is set by the editorial staff / chief editor / owner (dependant on setup), and it will invarably be more positive to some political positions and more negative towards others. In Europe the political leanings come out more in commentaries thann catual reporting (but that is probably more due to the fact that all the news gets their info from the same 2 or 3 agencies)

For that reason, and to avoid the echo chamber, my primary source of news (political and otherwise) is the most conservative (european usage) newspaper in Denmark, despite definately not being in agreement with their political stance - I know I won't be sugercoated but told what "the opposition" means, though on some issues I am conservative (dictionary usage), and I don't like change just to change (it is usually very inefficient, in my opinion).
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby econ21 » Sat Feb 23, 2013 7:22 am

Fridmarr wrote:The only real difference between fox news and the rest is the side that they are on.


Living in the UK, I only get to see satellite versions of other country's news channels. But Fox stands out as completely different from the others. In the UK, BBC and Sky News are broadly impartial and objective, as is CNN International. So is Al-Jazera (sp?) and most other channels. Fox really is outrageously biased to the right. I think you have lost perspective if you can't see that.

The only comparator to Fox I can find on my satellite box is a bizarre Iranian TV channel.

If you were talking UK newspapers, then there would be an element of truth in what you say. Other Murdoch owned titles like the Sun are similar animals to Fox. His Times and Sunday Times are better though.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Sat Feb 23, 2013 7:34 am

Wow... this is complete and utter crap
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/0 ... rporations
A bill introduced by Montana state Rep. Steve Lavin would give corporations the right to vote in municipal elections...
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