Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Invisusira's playground

Moderators: Aergis, Invisusira

Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby KysenMurrin » Sat Feb 16, 2013 1:15 pm

It looks like she's a token liberal they bring on now and then to give the impression of balance.
KysenMurrin
 
Posts: 4839
Joined: Thu Jun 26, 2008 6:37 am
Location: UK

Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Sun Feb 17, 2013 7:33 am

The Element of Forum Hyperbole
Image
---
Flüttershy - Draenei Protection Paladin, Aerie Peak
Klaudandus - BE Protection Paladin, Feathermoon (Semi-retired)
User avatar
Klaudandus
 
Posts: 9381
Joined: Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:08 am
Location: Texas' Armpit

Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Nooska » Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:06 am

First; new Crowd Chart since its been at least 6 pages since it was last posted.

Been away for a few days visiting family (well "in-law" family - quotationmarks as we are still "only" engaged)

Paxen; I'll turn that argument on its head:
There is one or more gods, and humanity having believed so for millenia, means your statement of the absence of such an entity is the one requiring proof.

As to the 2 conclusions from Koatanga;

3: A higher power exists, and influences the physical world, but we are not able to percieve the influence as it is done methodically and can be explained and predicted. (Think of the higher power(s) as OCD for instance)
4: A higher power exists and merely set the rules for how things work (as described by science), to observe us (((and judge us worthy or not, if you want to add that part in as well)))


Now for politics;
How do you foresee the selection of a new pope/retirement of the current to go down, what consequences will it have for the catholic church, which encompasses about 1/6th the worlds population?
Main Characters:
Nooska, Blood Elf BM/SV Hunter on Argent Dawn (EU)
Morosin, Bloody freezing orc death knight on Argent Dawn (EU)
Niisca, Shady forsaken "priest" on Argent Dawn (EU)

Keeper Emeritus of the BM hunters guide on Elitist Jerks and the wowhead version untill patch 5.3.
User avatar
Nooska
 
Posts: 1555
Joined: Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:55 am

Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:40 am

Image
well, seeing how the Queen isn't retiring...

and if ratzinger is burned out, is due to his own incompetence... seeing how as a cardinal he was active participant in the cover-up of pederast clergymen

Ok, that wasn't aimed at me, but I felt like throwing me two cents =P
Last edited by Klaudandus on Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:42 am, edited 1 time in total.
The Element of Forum Hyperbole
Image
---
Flüttershy - Draenei Protection Paladin, Aerie Peak
Klaudandus - BE Protection Paladin, Feathermoon (Semi-retired)
User avatar
Klaudandus
 
Posts: 9381
Joined: Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:08 am
Location: Texas' Armpit

Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Paxen » Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:41 am

Nooska wrote:Paxen; I'll turn that argument on its head:
There is one or more gods, and humanity having believed so for millenia, means your statement of the absence of such an entity is the one requiring proof.


No. People are fallible - that everybody believes something does not make it correct, not in religion and not anywhere else. I refer you to Kejserens nye klæder.

Now for politics;
How do you foresee the selection of a new pope/retirement of the current to go down, what consequences will it have for the catholic church, which encompasses about 1/6th the worlds population?


Not sure if will have any big consequences. It's eminently sensible (the Pope steps down when he can't do the job anymore), and the Catholic Church is the expert at spinning things so that how they do it now is how they've always done it, regardless of fatcs.
Paxen
 
Posts: 550
Joined: Mon Aug 17, 2009 3:38 am

Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:45 am

It also amuses me that... you know, being the man closest to god on earth, according to the precepts of that faith, he didn't ask god for extra strength?
The Element of Forum Hyperbole
Image
---
Flüttershy - Draenei Protection Paladin, Aerie Peak
Klaudandus - BE Protection Paladin, Feathermoon (Semi-retired)
User avatar
Klaudandus
 
Posts: 9381
Joined: Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:08 am
Location: Texas' Armpit

Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Dantriges » Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:35 am

Paxen wrote:Not sure if will have any big consequences. It's eminently sensible (the Pope steps down when he can't do the job anymore), and the Catholic Church is the expert at spinning things so that how they do it now is how they've always done it, regardless of fatcs.


Ehm, they already admitted that it has been over 700 years since a pope retired. Not sure, could be the last one was one of the three popes during the schism. Remember something about one of them steping down vluntarily, the other two being declared as "never has been a pope."

It also amuses me that... you know, being the man closest to god on earth, according to the precepts of that faith, he didn't ask god for extra strength?


He probably did or do you have special insight into the pope´s evening prayers? Perhaps he felt that God is ok with him passing on the burden. Not that I think that God appeared for evening tea and said "Hey bub, you can take it easy now and get a young whippersnapper og 65 on the throne", just that he was praying and meditating on the issue and got to this conclusion.
Dantriges
 
Posts: 657
Joined: Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:39 am

Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:40 am

Considering the opulence he lives in (surprised he doesnt have a mini giraffe)... it's quite dissonant that he gets a break, but the poorest of the catholics don't get that break.

It's not like the single mom stuck with 3 kids and living quite poorly in Philippines (as an example) can just say "I'm gonna retire from being poor"
The Element of Forum Hyperbole
Image
---
Flüttershy - Draenei Protection Paladin, Aerie Peak
Klaudandus - BE Protection Paladin, Feathermoon (Semi-retired)
User avatar
Klaudandus
 
Posts: 9381
Joined: Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:08 am
Location: Texas' Armpit

Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Nooska » Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:45 am

Actually, its only 598 years since the last time a pope abdicated (it was in 1415), but yeah.

Though the argument that "God decides when a pope is done" can still be used "It was divinely inspired".

"People are fallible - that everybody believes something does not make it correct, not in religion and not anywhere else."
People are fallible - that some people believe something does not make it correct, not in religion and not anywhere else.

That argument is correct, but also cuts both ways.
Oh, and Kejserens Nye Klæder (The Emperors New Clothes) is not about people believeing, but people, including the emperor, and all his advisors, being ashamed to be ridiculed, as the conmen tell them that only the stupid can't see the clothes, and none of the people want to "admit" that they are stupid - it also exists in a world where magic is real, which is how the clothes work, so reference failed :-P
Main Characters:
Nooska, Blood Elf BM/SV Hunter on Argent Dawn (EU)
Morosin, Bloody freezing orc death knight on Argent Dawn (EU)
Niisca, Shady forsaken "priest" on Argent Dawn (EU)

Keeper Emeritus of the BM hunters guide on Elitist Jerks and the wowhead version untill patch 5.3.
User avatar
Nooska
 
Posts: 1555
Joined: Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:55 am

Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Paxen » Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:49 am

Nooska wrote:so reference failed :-P


Meh. The clothes never existed, it's clear that it's a con by the tailors. And they would never have existed, even if the beggar boy never pointed out that the emperor had no clothes on. Even if everybody said it did.
Paxen
 
Posts: 550
Joined: Mon Aug 17, 2009 3:38 am

Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Nooska » Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:04 am

Yes, its clear to the reader, and I agree to a certain point, but the morale of the story isn't "it isn't true even if everyone believes it", its "Don't be afraid to admit your limitations" or "you need to be unaware of possible consequences to speak truth to power".
Main Characters:
Nooska, Blood Elf BM/SV Hunter on Argent Dawn (EU)
Morosin, Bloody freezing orc death knight on Argent Dawn (EU)
Niisca, Shady forsaken "priest" on Argent Dawn (EU)

Keeper Emeritus of the BM hunters guide on Elitist Jerks and the wowhead version untill patch 5.3.
User avatar
Nooska
 
Posts: 1555
Joined: Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:55 am

Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby fuzzygeek » Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:30 am

KysenMurrin wrote:It looks like she's a token liberal they bring on now and then to give the impression of balance.


Do other stations have token conservatives they bring on now and then to give the impression of balance?
Image
User avatar
fuzzygeek
Maintankadonor
 
Posts: 3447
Joined: Wed Aug 01, 2007 1:58 pm

Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby KysenMurrin » Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:01 am

Probably. It's a common enough journalistic thing - when they want to show argument between two sides, they often have a few go-to faces who are willing to do it.
Last edited by KysenMurrin on Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:02 am, edited 1 time in total.
KysenMurrin
 
Posts: 4839
Joined: Thu Jun 26, 2008 6:37 am
Location: UK

Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:02 am

fuzzygeek wrote:
KysenMurrin wrote:It looks like she's a token liberal they bring on now and then to give the impression of balance.


Do other stations have token conservatives they bring on now and then to give the impression of balance?


Yes.

I remember Lou Dobbs in CNN for example.
The Element of Forum Hyperbole
Image
---
Flüttershy - Draenei Protection Paladin, Aerie Peak
Klaudandus - BE Protection Paladin, Feathermoon (Semi-retired)
User avatar
Klaudandus
 
Posts: 9381
Joined: Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:08 am
Location: Texas' Armpit

Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:08 am

The Element of Forum Hyperbole
Image
---
Flüttershy - Draenei Protection Paladin, Aerie Peak
Klaudandus - BE Protection Paladin, Feathermoon (Semi-retired)
User avatar
Klaudandus
 
Posts: 9381
Joined: Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:08 am
Location: Texas' Armpit

Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Dantriges » Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:16 am

Klaudandus wrote:Considering the opulence he lives in (surprised he doesnt have a mini giraffe)... it's quite dissonant that he gets a break, but the poorest of the catholics don't get that break.


Well then you are probably happy to hear that the Vatican will face financial troubles probably because of the problems at the Vatican Bank.

AFAIK he steps down because he is unable to handle the problems in the church regarding the recent scandals and issues troubling the curia.
Seems he want to leave instead of doing the same as John Paul II who was unable to rule the church because of his age and health issues but kept the position till his death. IIRC many people then said that he should have stepped down. So Benedict realized he isn´t the right man for the job or simply too old already and decided to resign. Perhaps he shouldn´t have taken the job (heard he wasn´t really happy about it) but took it out of a sense of duty or thought he could handle it. Wouldn´t be the first guy who bit up more than he could chew.
Dantriges
 
Posts: 657
Joined: Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:39 am

Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:33 am

The problem is that Ratzinger's legacy is completely tarnished, some of it is self-inflicted.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... verup.html

Although I find it incredibly amused that Hitchens remains a prolific writer despite of being dead for a year and a half.
The Element of Forum Hyperbole
Image
---
Flüttershy - Draenei Protection Paladin, Aerie Peak
Klaudandus - BE Protection Paladin, Feathermoon (Semi-retired)
User avatar
Klaudandus
 
Posts: 9381
Joined: Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:08 am
Location: Texas' Armpit

Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Nooska » Mon Feb 18, 2013 12:01 pm

I'm pretty sure you cannot turn down the papacy if you are eligable. The way it is set up is that it, in theory, is "the hand of God" that chooses the pope through the cardinals. Also, any male of catholic faith is eligable last I checked, though some news stations keep spouting that only a cardinal is eligable (yes, you have to be ordained, but that can be done before the prsentation)
Main Characters:
Nooska, Blood Elf BM/SV Hunter on Argent Dawn (EU)
Morosin, Bloody freezing orc death knight on Argent Dawn (EU)
Niisca, Shady forsaken "priest" on Argent Dawn (EU)

Keeper Emeritus of the BM hunters guide on Elitist Jerks and the wowhead version untill patch 5.3.
User avatar
Nooska
 
Posts: 1555
Joined: Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:55 am

Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Fridmarr » Mon Feb 18, 2013 12:41 pm

Yeah, most media outlets have their token, other view, folks that they put out there. There's really no difference between the various main stream media outlets at all. Here's an NYT example, though technically the author isn't conservative, his view on running a healthcare system is, so good enough for the NYT.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/17/opini ... ted=1&_r=0
Fridmarr
Global Mod
 
Posts: 6465
Joined: Sun Apr 08, 2007 1:03 am

Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Delphineas » Mon Feb 18, 2013 1:53 pm

http://www.bibleprobe.com/last10popes.htm
Maybe someone else has some wisdom about this, came across this link from somewhere.
Basically this pope was prophesied to step down, and the next one will be the final pope.
Fan of angels and catgirls.
Current MMO: EVE
Delphineas
 
Posts: 162
Joined: Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:04 am

Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Nooska » Mon Feb 18, 2013 2:14 pm

I don't see any prophecies in that link about the pope stepping down. Also I see several glaring errors of translation or stuff made to fit with one translation rather than the other.
"De labore solis" is translated as "of the solar eclipse" to make it fit with JP2 - however, it could just as easly be "The solitary work(er)", which isn't mentioned just once.
Main Characters:
Nooska, Blood Elf BM/SV Hunter on Argent Dawn (EU)
Morosin, Bloody freezing orc death knight on Argent Dawn (EU)
Niisca, Shady forsaken "priest" on Argent Dawn (EU)

Keeper Emeritus of the BM hunters guide on Elitist Jerks and the wowhead version untill patch 5.3.
User avatar
Nooska
 
Posts: 1555
Joined: Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:55 am

Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Feb 18, 2013 2:38 pm

That is trying to mold the narrative to an old prophecy... pretty much like you can fit a lot of things to nostradamus.

Heck, Penn Jillette mocked this by pretty much saying the Wheels of the Bus go round and round talks about Napoleon invading Russia, because the wagons carrying the soldiers are round...
The Element of Forum Hyperbole
Image
---
Flüttershy - Draenei Protection Paladin, Aerie Peak
Klaudandus - BE Protection Paladin, Feathermoon (Semi-retired)
User avatar
Klaudandus
 
Posts: 9381
Joined: Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:08 am
Location: Texas' Armpit

Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Feb 18, 2013 3:26 pm

http://news.yahoo.com/obamas-speech-doe ... ories.html

That's the 2nd teen who is linked to gun violence after meeting Obama. Cue WND, NRO, Freepers and other Right Wing sites on saying they are being killed by Obama's secret police forces in order to advance his gun control agenda.
The Element of Forum Hyperbole
Image
---
Flüttershy - Draenei Protection Paladin, Aerie Peak
Klaudandus - BE Protection Paladin, Feathermoon (Semi-retired)
User avatar
Klaudandus
 
Posts: 9381
Joined: Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:08 am
Location: Texas' Armpit

Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:02 pm

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/1 ... _ref=false
Alabama state Rep. Mary Sue McClurkin (R) is pushing legislation that would impose restrictions on abortion clinics -- a move that she argues is necessary because the procedure is a major surgery that removes the largest "organ" in a woman's body.

Image
The Element of Forum Hyperbole
Image
---
Flüttershy - Draenei Protection Paladin, Aerie Peak
Klaudandus - BE Protection Paladin, Feathermoon (Semi-retired)
User avatar
Klaudandus
 
Posts: 9381
Joined: Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:08 am
Location: Texas' Armpit

Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:42 am

I know some of you guys lean right when it comes to economic issues.

How bout we start with fixing Military Spending?
http://news.yahoo.com/f-35-warplane-cos ... 57318.html

Like I said, I find it quite aggravating that a single F22 Raptor would fund my school district for about 3 years.

In the mean time, Republicans have tried to remove funding from the Children's Health Insurance Program.
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/05 ... e-program/

To put it in context, that is about 2 F22 Raptors and 1 V22 Osprey, or 1 F35c Lightning II Variant and 1 F22 Raptor

God forbid you want to cut military spending... the republicans and other right-wingers will cry that you're unpatriotic, godless and want to see the US weakened in a world full of enemies.


Or Tax Breaks to big companies. Texas has been cutting education funds across the board, with school districts getting less and less money, but extending tax breaks to oil companies.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/2 ... 81764.html
The Element of Forum Hyperbole
Image
---
Flüttershy - Draenei Protection Paladin, Aerie Peak
Klaudandus - BE Protection Paladin, Feathermoon (Semi-retired)
User avatar
Klaudandus
 
Posts: 9381
Joined: Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:08 am
Location: Texas' Armpit

PreviousNext

Return to Arkham Asylum

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest

Who is online

In total there is 1 user online :: 0 registered, 0 hidden and 1 guest (based on users active over the past 5 minutes)
Most users ever online was 380 on Tue Oct 14, 2008 6:28 pm

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest