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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Shoju » Mon Dec 10, 2012 7:21 am

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Jim Wright wrote:Abortion. Abortion. Abortion. Also, Nazis.

One of the many things that had me cracking up throughout the article. Definitely a good read, with some awesome information, and enough humor to keep it from being dry.


Jim is quickly rising up the ranks of "People I find awesome". On Facebook, he occasionally posts his hate mail, and bizarre searches people have performed on his blog, both of which are highly entertaining.

So, to whoever linked his Schadenfreude blog shortly after the election, Thanks, jerk. You hooked me on another person's political blog. Though maybe, that should be a real thanks, since it did cut into the time I spent reading some of the insanity out there just so I could make fun of it.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Dec 10, 2012 7:24 am

That was Skye, i think
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:09 pm

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Skye1013 » Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:03 pm

I think I'd remember if that was me, pretty sure it wasn't. :D

Edit: Well I'll be damned... it was me... though I wasn't a follower of his, was just a post I (likely) pulled from fb.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Shoju » Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:08 am

http://news.yahoo.com/calif-judge-says- ... 33459.html

A public admonishment? An apology? A lame ass excuse about being frustrated by the prosecutor over an argument?
This dumb fuckwad needs removed from the bench at the very least, with questions about his ability to even practice law brought into question.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:08 am

Yeah, I posted a different article on the same judge on the frustration thread...

Looks like Todd Akins is contagious... or rather, Todd Akin got it from this dude since this happened in 2008

Also

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas ... 109439.php

Again, why do old rich dudes want to decide what women can or cannot do with their uterus?
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Fivelives » Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:29 am

Because old rich dudes generally still think that women should be subjugated by men. It's a combination of old beliefs (suzy homemaker) and rich person entitlement issues (I am the boss of everyone ever), with a healthy dose of power corruption thrown in for good (bad, really) measure.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby bldavis » Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:49 am

am i the only one that things if a judge says something this idiotic that they obviously show they do not understand law, or even basics of science, and should be removed from the bench?

hell at least that texas judge that beat the crap out of his daughter is banned from sitting on childern/family cases
though i think he should be dis-barred as well
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Nooska » Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:38 pm

Aren't judges impeachable i most states? Or are they elected for a full term regardless? (I knwo federal judges are another mess).

Also, I agree in principle, but think we need to be wary of making it easily accessible to get a judge thrown out - politics already weigh too heavily on the minds of too many judges (and lets get the legislative and executive branch out of the judicial branch - setup an oversight agency, populate it once and set down rules for its selfpopulation from the legal profession, and let them handle all appointments - separation of powers requires actual separation)
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Fridmarr » Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:48 pm

Klaudandus wrote:Also

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas ... 109439.php

Again, why do old rich dudes want to decide what women can or cannot do with their uterus?
Seriously, didn't we already establish that you also want to control a woman's uterus? You just think your timing, as scientifically arbitrary as it is, is better than the timing offered by this legislation which at least stems out of a scientific theory.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:35 pm

if anything, let a committee formed by women decide on it.

at least its on them, not on old white rich dudes.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Dantriges » Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:02 am

I don´t know what the judge is smoking.

I could agree with the Gov. Kerry´s proposal if the law would include at least a permission to abort for medical reasons after 20 weeks. I would prefer if it would include rape and incest, but I can understand if the law says you had 3-4 months to decide, that should be enough. But all the measures he took to hinder women to make a decision and laws to make it difficult for abortion clinics to operate leaves a very sour taste.

So if the government of Texas would introduce initiatives to help women like advice and aid for single mothers or women in other difficult circumstances, financial aid for medical examinations and stop trying to block abortion clinics with red tape and regulations, I could agree with that if some exceptions were made.

Medical reasons for an abortion can show up after 20 weeks.
Incest should be a reason. I assume we don´t talk about actually consenting adults with a bad taste but a probably traumatized minor who is pressured by the offender to keep silent.
Rape should be a reason, too. There are enough reasons that a woman is unable to make a decision with in the 20 weeks. Blocking her decison because she is a week or two too late is just cruel.

So I could see the argument that 5 months of pregancy should be enough to make up your mind. OTOH the texan government isn´t offering aid and enacts measures to prevent abortions by using financial or legal shenangigans, trying to circumvent the intent of the law. If they care so much how about counseling for mothers in desperate social situations how to cope with the situation. How about getting her help so she and the baby won´t live a miserable life. I think that you could prevent more abortions helping pregnant women who saw no other alternative besides an abortion and well offering them alternatives.

Possible cynical reason besides old men being control freaks: If you want to shut down illegal immigration you need another disenfranchised underclass. More babies born in difficult and poor families mean you get more of them.

And I agree with Klaudanus, let the women sort it out. Rich old white men or me aren´t directly affected by these laws. As possible fathers but well the mother has to go through the procedure and got the final word on the issue.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Sat Dec 15, 2012 2:44 pm

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/e ... ematically

Seriously? Well... F*CK YOU! And GTFO you opportunistic piece of shit!
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Nooska » Sat Dec 15, 2012 2:53 pm

While disagree with him, I can actually respect what he thinks - its not "because we have removed god" as such, but because of the implications (is his standpoint) - that life and accountability to a higher power are not taught.
I don't agree, but I can resepct his standpoint (whether he should be out there talking about it right now, is another debate entirely)
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Sat Dec 15, 2012 2:56 pm

Well, these massacres don't routinely occur in Europe because God is present in public schools. Oh, wait....

Also, what does god need with a public school? or a starship with that matter?

If anything... if you want to go that route, shouldn't it start at home?

Also, I hate the argument that you need religion in order to instill morality...
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Sagara » Sat Dec 15, 2012 2:57 pm

Klaudandus wrote:Well, these massacres don't routinely occur in Europe because God is present in public schools. Oh, wait....

Also, what does god need with a public school? or a starship with that matter?

If anything... if you want to go that route, shouldn't it start at home?


Uuuuuuuuuh.... That's weird... Someone added God to our schools and I wasn't even aware of it???
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Sat Dec 15, 2012 3:00 pm

Sagara wrote:
Klaudandus wrote:Well, these massacres don't routinely occur in Europe because God is present in public schools. Oh, wait....

Also, what does god need with a public school? or a starship with that matter?

If anything... if you want to go that route, shouldn't it start at home?


Uuuuuuuuuh.... That's weird... Someone added God to our schools and I wasn't even aware of it???


That's my point! Hence the "Oh, wait..." as in, there is no God in european schools.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:19 pm

Aaarrrgh!!! The American Family Association doubled down on Huckabee!
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/f ... e-he-not-w
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Passionario » Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:54 pm

Every time disaster strikes, a religious person is forced to confront the question:

"If God is powerful and benevolent, then why did She allow this tragedy to happen?"

Their answer to that question will tell you a lot about that particular person and their faith.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:20 am

Passionario wrote:Every time disaster strikes, a religious person is forced to confront the question:

"If God is powerful and benevolent, then why did She allow this tragedy to happen?"

Their answer to that question will tell you a lot about that particular person and their faith.


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Cuz it boils down to the Problem of Evil if you question it like that...

Now, while I am not a religious person (really? what gave it away?) - this article seems helpful when trying to explain children stuff...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rev-emily ... 03910.html

And since we're talking about Evil, maybe we should delve deeper into its meaning
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... il-concept

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2012/ju ... aron-cohen
And yeah, it's by Borat's cousin.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Nooska » Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:15 am

Klaudandus wrote:Well, these massacres don't routinely occur in Europe because God is present in public schools. Oh, wait....

Also, what does god need with a public school? or a starship with that matter?

If anything... if you want to go that route, shouldn't it start at home?


YEs.

And I agree, religion is not necessary for morals, but they (should) come along with religion more or less by default.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Klaudandus » Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:17 am

Yeah, but my argument is that its something that should be handled at home, or at church, not in a public school.

I mean, are european schools religious by nature?
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Melathys » Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:17 pm

People want to ban this and that and seem to forget one thing.

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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Brekkie » Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:03 pm

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Now, this pisses me off...


The ultimate counter to this terrible logic is to ask why there is sexual abuse of children in churches.
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Re: Politics (formerly Election 2012)

Postby Zalaria » Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:34 pm

This is also a good counter. It's not aimed at the shirt, but the same idea: (linked because it's kinda big).
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