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Re: Egyptian police "Virginity Checks?"

Postby Snake-Aes » Thu Jun 02, 2011 6:40 am

In this thread: People Do Shit. Other People Overreact. World Moves On.
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Re: Egyptian police "Virginity Checks?"

Postby warden » Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:58 am

In addition, it is important to observe the distinction between the state police and Egyptian military; two distinctly different entities in terms of authority, education, background, pay, and purpose. I wasn't aware of the huge, major differences between the "civilian" government there and the military (to include the junta currently in charge following the president's resignation) until I had the opportunity to spend several weeks with some Egyptian exchange officers during recent revolution.
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Re: Egyptian police "Virginity Checks?"

Postby Lightbeard » Thu Jun 02, 2011 8:44 am

Jabari wrote:
Lightbeard wrote:Stuff the US does doesn't compare at all to these so called "Virginity Checks"

We do some weird stuff sure, but compare us to practices in a lot of middle eastern or african countries.

We're pretty well off despite how much everyone here loves to complain about how we're the worst country in the world.


Yeah, LB - the US only does stuff like:
- randomly kill little girls for no reason (http://reason.com/blog/2010/05/17/detroit-girl-7-killed-in-swat)
- randomly kill 2-time Iraq war vets for no reason (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1389437/Iraq-war-vet-marine-Jose-Guerena-shot-71-times-Tucson-home-SWAT-team.html)
- give weapons to Mexican drug gangs that are used to kill US Border agents (and others) (http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/02/death_in_the_desert_project_gu.html)

Totally innocent and harmless, us.

Not to be totally depressing, here is an actual weird one (though the implications of it really aren't funny): http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-independence-police-shoot-at-concrete-alligator-20110531,0,4098846.story


Yet none of those examples you listed are even as bad as a fraction of the crazy crap that happens in (as I mentioned) various African and Middle Eastern countries.

At least in the US a woman won't be killed for showing her feet, speaking too loud, or even showing her face.
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Re: Egyptian police "Virginity Checks?"

Postby Candiru » Thu Jun 02, 2011 8:51 am

In the US you might have a parent arrested for something as innocuous as letting your 18 year old taste your wine in a restaurant though. Sure, you can show your feet in public, but you can't let your 18 year old adult offspring have some wine in a restaurant.
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Re: Egyptian police "Virginity Checks?"

Postby Aerron » Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:07 am

Candiru wrote:In the US you might have a parent arrested for something as innocuous as letting your 18 year old taste your wine in a restaurant though. Sure, you can show your feet in public, but you can't let your 18 year old adult offspring have some wine in a restaurant.


But while you might get a hefty fine or in rare cases some small amount of jail time for the wine, you're not going to get stoned in public or have the offending body part cut off.

And what that punishment will be is left up to a given State, dictated by statutes designed by popularly elected representatives who are answerable to their constituents. Not by religious systems that are draconic and unalterable, upheld by zealots who believe it proper to inflict death in the name of "honor killings".
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Re: Egyptian police "Virginity Checks?"

Postby Rachmaninoff » Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:18 am

People are fucking crazy no matter who or where you are. We are all human, all the same, and capable of the same things. It is our minds that separate us from one another and other animals.

Candiru wrote:In the US you might have a parent arrested for something as innocuous as letting your 18 year old taste your wine in a restaurant though. Sure, you can show your feet in public, but you can't let your 18 year old adult offspring have some wine in a restaurant.

Alcohol is interesting. It is a controlled substance that can destroy lives if not treated with respect. I agree that parents should teach young adults the responsibilities of alcohol but where and how do you draw the line?
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Re: Egyptian police "Virginity Checks?"

Postby Lightbeard » Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:23 am

Rachmaninoff wrote: It is our minds that separate us from one another and other animals.



What about our thumbs?

Sorry I had to
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Re: Egyptian police "Virginity Checks?"

Postby Arnock » Thu Jun 02, 2011 3:35 pm

I would say that the lack of government in Egypt at the moment is the most to blame. I doubt that it was a high level decision to order these "virginity tests," probably someone lower on the command chain, perhaps the man in charge of the base where the women were taken.


On the topic of police officers being silly... Thomas Jefferson's friends don't dance and are no friends of mine
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Re: Egyptian police "Virginity Checks?"

Postby Lightbeard » Thu Jun 02, 2011 4:38 pm

Arnock wrote:On the topic of police officers being silly... Thomas Jefferson's friends don't dance and are no friends of mine



I saw that story. I think it's another case if people jumping to accuse the police before they know the full story.
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Re: Egyptian police "Virginity Checks?"

Postby Chasey » Thu Jun 02, 2011 11:43 pm

Jabari wrote:
Lightbeard wrote:Stuff the US does doesn't compare at all to these so called "Virginity Checks"
We do some weird stuff sure, but compare us to practices in a lot of middle eastern or african countries.
We're pretty well off despite how much everyone here loves to complain about how we're the worst country in the world.

Yeah, LB - the US only does stuff like:
- randomly kill little girls for no reason (http://reason.com/blog/2010/05/17/detroit-girl-7-killed-in-swat)
- randomly kill 2-time Iraq war vets for no reason (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1389437/Iraq-war-vet-marine-Jose-Guerena-shot-71-times-Tucson-home-SWAT-team.html)
- give weapons to Mexican drug gangs that are used to kill US Border agents (and others) (http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/02/death_in_the_desert_project_gu.html)
Totally innocent and harmless, us.
Not to be totally depressing, here is an actual weird one (though the implications of it really aren't funny): http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-independence-police-shoot-at-concrete-alligator-20110531,0,4098846.story


Didn't realize this place turned into the ANTI American MMO Champion all of a sudden. WOW really?
I live in Detroit, the 7 wasn't gunned down purposefully, it was an accident. Her beloved father, who had 7 other children in his house was harboring a murder, a 34 year old former prisoner, who shot and killed a 17 year old at a liquor store, for....looking at him to long. As the police attempted to find the suspect, the mother/grandmother attacked an officer which lead to the shots being fired. Hitting the young girl who was sleeping on the couch while all this was happening. Why was she sleeping on the couch, the suspect was staying in her room. There aren't many witch hunts in the US any more, there doesn't need to be, the media make mountains out of molehills. GREAT job linking this story! WAY TO KNOW what the hell you are talking about.

The Egypt story is brutal and horrid. The treatment of women by certain parts of the world is deplorable and disgusting. And while no coutry is perfect I'll take the way life is here any day. I've been to many many place and the statement stands, life in the US is pretty damn good but haters are going to hate and any country with 300 million people with access to guns, I guess you could find about anything other than the government or the military doing "virginity checks" on innocent women, or stoning them to death for showing skin/feet/face. There isn't a ton whole lot of people serving jail time here for sipping wine before the legal age either. Just glad my kids are going to marry who they want and not have to worry about them getting stoned because they know how to read, hell...they'll even be able to drive. Shocking...right?
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Re: Egyptian police "Virginity Checks?"

Postby Chicken » Fri Jun 03, 2011 3:57 am

News in general is very sensationalist, and that is something you should keep in mind. If I were to just follow the news, my image of the United States would be that it's a land constantly plagued by natural disasters, shootings, and celebrities*... Much like my country is a horrible place where all kinds of drugs are legal, and the hookers are everywhere while wearing wooden shoes. In truth the US isn't all that different from where I live, I just get to only see the most easily hyped stories that come from there, and so do you about me.

Obviously there's more differences between your typical Western nation and a predominantly Islamic nation, but I am quite certain that most people in Egypt were just as horrified at this story as we are.

*You can't tell me most celebrities aren't as terrible as those other things.
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Re: Egyptian police "Virginity Checks?"

Postby Fivelives » Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:05 am

News wasn't always sensationalist. People used to watch it because it told them what was going on in a fair, unbiased manner. It wasn't until Generation ME grew up and started being more interested in spectacle than in what was actually going on that it got so sensationalist.

Hopefully things in Egypt will settle down once they get an actual government in place, instead of the pro-tem military running things.

And yeah Chicken - celebrities count as natural disasters though. So you sorta listed that twice.
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Re: Egyptian police "Virginity Checks?"

Postby Snake-Aes » Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:26 am

I doubt that, Fivelives. News have been a powerful way to handle masses for as long as they gained any proper amount of viewers, and as such people have been thinking ways of exploiting that since then.
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Re: Egyptian police "Virginity Checks?"

Postby Fivelives » Fri Jun 03, 2011 5:47 am

I wouldn't say that they haven't been, but up until the debut of cable television networks the news was literally the only thing on in its timeslot. That meant they didn't have to pander to the viewers in order to get them. Now it's all about what can capture the collective attention span (which, by the way, only begins to compare to your average gnat or goldfish) long enough for it to register on the nielsen meters.

People like Walter Cronkite, Barbara Walters, hell even print journalists like Woodward and Bernstein - they reported the news as it was. It wasn't spun, there was no agenda, it was just "hey people. This is what happened today".

Now there are talking heads all over the place that ALL have agendas, and ratings are Important. There are options for people now - if we don't like what's on the news, we can watch a sitcom on TBS, or our favorite drama on USA. Hey, isn't <random movie> on Comedy Central? Oooh, look! It's Adult Swim on the Cartoon Network... and so on and so forth.

The news had to change when the audience changed. We were no longer interested in factual reports; instead, we're interested in Lindsay Lohan's court appearances. Or the last time Paris Hilton dropped trou for an audience. We went from wanting to be informed to wanting to be entertained, and stopped caring about anything that didn't immediately impact our daily lives. That's what it means to be a member of "Generation ME".
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Re: Egyptian police "Virginity Checks?"

Postby fuzzygeek » Fri Jun 03, 2011 6:50 am

In other news, get the hell off Fivelive's lawn.
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