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Re: Medical Woes

Postby Fivelives » Mon Aug 16, 2010 11:40 am

Would you all quit saying it's diabetes? I'm willing to lay odds on it being NOT diabetes.
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Re: Medical Woes

Postby Mcduffie » Mon Aug 16, 2010 2:55 pm

It was.

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Re: Medical Woes

Postby Flex » Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:07 pm

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Re: Medical Woes

Postby hoho » Tue Aug 17, 2010 12:38 am

I might have missed a post or two but has something else changed in your life that would cause more stress than usual? Having just 6h of sleep on average doesn't sound too good for health either.
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Re: Medical Woes

Postby Fivelives » Tue Aug 17, 2010 12:41 am

6 hours of sleep a night is fine. The minimum people need is 4 hours, and some (*coughcoughmarthastewartcoughcough*) get by on less.
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Re: Medical Woes

Postby hoho » Tue Aug 17, 2010 12:47 am

Fivelives wrote:6 hours of sleep a night is fine.
Not really, at least not for average people. If you were used to sleeping for 8h per night for years and suddenly can only get 6h then your body WILL be exhausted soon. I couldn't find the link atm but some time ago I read about a research spanning over decades saying if you make people sleep just 1h less than usual then over a few weeks their mental powers will drop a LOT. They won't feel tired but performance is still down and it will have an effect on your whole body. Working overtime had similar effect but took a bit longer to happen.


That 4h minimum is probably the limit where you start getting serious threat to your life when you can't sleep more for extended periods of time. That's definitely not a minimum where you just start getting bad effects to your health.
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Re: Medical Woes

Postby Fivelives » Tue Aug 17, 2010 3:15 pm

Until you adjust to the new sleep schedule, that's true. But once adjusted, the body and mind functions just fine on 6 hours, if not better than on 8.

http://health.ucsd.edu/news/2002/02_08_Kripke.html (2002)
http://seniorjournal.com/NEWS/Aging/4-02-03.htm (2004)
http://www.hansadutta.com/ART_WSP/sleep-study.html (2006)
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010 ... 970348.htm (2010)

And according to my cognitive psych professor, the magic number is between 6 and 7 hours. That's kind of her research focus is on sleep and how it affects cognitive functions.

The military put in regulations so that soldiers can get at least 4 hours of sleep per day, even in combat situations (if at all possible). We don't start to really decline until we've gone a few days without sleep, but even one REM cycle, or roughly 90 minutes, is enough to avoid the death-from-lack-of-sleep.
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Re: Medical Woes

Postby hoho » Wed Aug 18, 2010 12:28 am

Fivelives wrote:Until you adjust to the new sleep schedule, that's true. But once adjusted, the body and mind functions just fine on 6 hours, if not better than on 8
Any links to researches showing exactly that (less likely to die doesn't count)? At 7h it might be true, at just 6 I'm beginning to doubt. Yes, body will adjust to it by suppressing feeling tired but your mental powers will be lower.
All of these things say if you sleep 6-7h then you are less likely to die. There was no other information about how your body reacts to it. It is entirely possible to have lower performance and be more stressed while still living longer.


The study I was referring was mostly about working overtime and how it affects performance: http://archives.igda.org/articles/erobinson_crunch.php
Though there is a short paragraph about sleep deprivation as well:
Laboratory studies show that mental work declines by 25% during each successive 24 hours of continuous wakefulness. Sleep-deprived individuals are able to maintain accuracy on cognitive tasks, but speed declines as wakefulness is extended.

In our study, FDC [artillery Fire Direction Center — ER] teams from the 82nd Airborne division were tested during simulated continuous combat operations lasting 36 hours. Throughout the 36 hours, their ability to accurately derive range, bearing, elevation, and charge was unimpaired. However, after circa 24 hours they … no longer knew where they were relative to friendly and enemy units. They no longer knew what they were firing at. Early in the simulation, when we called for simulated fire on a hospital, etc., the team would check the situation map, appreciate the nature of the target, and refuse the request. Later on in the simulation … they would fire without hesitation regardless of the nature of the target.

At 15 days into the simulation the 4 hour sleep/night battery is firing less than a third of the rounds that the 7 hour sleep/night battery is firing.
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Re: Medical Woes

Postby Fivelives » Wed Aug 18, 2010 1:28 am

It's mostly the timing of the sleep. The sleep cycle lasts around 90-110 minutes or so on average, and it takes a few minutes (7 on average in "normal" people) to fall asleep once people lay down. Timing it out, it fits nicely into the 6-7 hour window. Don't have time to look up studies, and I suppose since this is the internet this'll be responded to with a "links prz".

Wiki has a surprisingly good page on the sleep cycle, if you're interested.
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Re: Medical Woes

Postby hoho » Wed Aug 18, 2010 1:36 am

Getting back to the original topic, I asked the sleeping thing just to know if that might have changed recently. Having higher stress due to lack of sleep or being exhausted* can easily cause weight loss.

*) note the thing I said earlier about body getting used to being tired, not feel it directly but still be influenced by it
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Re: Medical Woes

Postby Vycera » Mon Aug 23, 2010 12:04 pm

Well..

I just met with my doc (finally!) but things didnt go so well. He is stumped, has no clue what is wrong. They are dedoing the original blood work, as well as doing about 6 other blood tests (had a total of 16 vials drawn. I hurt. >.<) In addition, they took some chest xrays.

They are also sending me to see a gastroentenologist. Who knows what he will do. They are thining probably a colonoscopy. If he oesnt have any results, then they want to send me to an endocrinologist. They are also thinking about running an MRI. The docs thoughts are.."It could be cancer, but it could also be some malabsorbtion issues.. or maybe some other GI related.. Or, it could be that you fall into the 1/3rd of patients that we just have no idea what caused the weight loss"

So, today wasnt very comforting at all. I feel like total crap. (Could be because my body just lost 14 vials of blood..)

More waiting. If I find out anything from the lab results, Ill probably post them here just because I find it comforting slightly to talk about it and see what other people have said. I didnt bring up anything you all mentioned, but he pretty much himself said he didnt think it was diabetes. (Though I am pretty sure we all kind of ruled that out now)

Yay for another 3-4 weeks of waiting on pins and needles.
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Re: Medical Woes

Postby Mcduffie » Mon Aug 23, 2010 3:32 pm

Hang tough bro. They'll figure it out.
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Re: Medical Woes

Postby Vycera » Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:58 pm

Well, I got back a couple results from blood work today, but am still wating for the majority of them to arrive. Somethig interesting. They ran a normal blood test on me 3 times. Test 1 and 2 were one day apart, and I fasted for both. I had high levels as listed earlier.

Well, test three, which has been 2 weeks after tests 1 and 2, I stil fasted beforehand, and I have absoletely nothing wrong on the test. Every single category is well within the test limits.

My chest xray came back today as well, they said the only thing they could find is my lungs were Hyperinflated.

Still waiting on these tests to come back, as well as my meeting with the gastroentenologist.
ACTH
ESR
CORTISOL
ALDOSTERONE
RENIN
PARATHYROID HOR

No idea what any of those are for, but I am pretty sure they are all endocrine related.

Sigh, I hate waiting. It's really rather obnoxious. Plus, all the bad talk the Doc said it could be is really stressful and quite bothersome. Im freaking 21 years old, and I could have cancer?! My father passed away from lung cancer, and my mother has had both breasts removed due to cancer. I dont want to deal with that disease.

If any of you are religious, please pray for me. It helps. >.<
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Re: Medical Woes

Postby Daeren » Wed Aug 25, 2010 1:51 pm

ACTH
CORTISOL
ALDOSTERONE
These three are part of the cortisol-system. ACTH is the releasing hormone from pituitary gland that realses cortisol (which has gluco-corticoid effects). Aldosterone is responsible for some of the mineralcorticoid function which is needed for blood pressure and electrolyte adjustment.

RENIN
Responsible for renal blood pressure and general blood pressure + electrolytes.

PARATHYROID HORMONE
Part of calcium metabolism, one of the important hormones there.

ESR
Erytrocyte sedimentation rate (like, it's the "old infection marker" before C-reactive protein), is affected by a number of autoimmune diseases and stuff that keep inflammatory processes in your body.

I hope those explain some. You might not get alot smarter from my explanations.
Odd that there haven't been taken any urine samples.
I understand that you're afraid of cancer, but both of those cancer types your parents have had are unrelated, and such would any cancer at your age and such uncertain symptoms.
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Re: Medical Woes

Postby Mcduffie » Mon Sep 06, 2010 6:58 pm

Vycera wrote:Well, I got back a couple results from blood work today, but am still wating for the majority of them to arrive. Somethig interesting. They ran a normal blood test on me 3 times. Test 1 and 2 were one day apart, and I fasted for both. I had high levels as listed earlier.

Well, test three, which has been 2 weeks after tests 1 and 2, I stil fasted beforehand, and I have absoletely nothing wrong on the test. Every single category is well within the test limits.

My chest xray came back today as well, they said the only thing they could find is my lungs were Hyperinflated.

Still waiting on these tests to come back, as well as my meeting with the gastroentenologist.
ACTH
ESR
CORTISOL
ALDOSTERONE
RENIN
PARATHYROID HOR

No idea what any of those are for, but I am pretty sure they are all endocrine related.

Sigh, I hate waiting. It's really rather obnoxious. Plus, all the bad talk the Doc said it could be is really stressful and quite bothersome. Im freaking 21 years old, and I could have cancer?! My father passed away from lung cancer, and my mother has had both breasts removed due to cancer. I dont want to deal with that disease.

If any of you are religious, please pray for me. It helps. >.<


Any news yet?
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