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Postby Vycera » Thu Aug 12, 2010 12:42 pm

Hello all!

Just thought I would rant a little/ask for advice. So heres a little history about me: Ever since I was little I have had a terrible time with gaining weight. I am now 21 years old, 5'11", male, and weigh in at 120lbs. The concerning part about all this is, I was around 140 2 months ago.

So, something has happened in the last 2 months to cause me to loose 20 pounds. I have ran blood tests, and tanked to a nutritionist. Blood test results in SLIGHTLY high sodium, calcium, potassium, carbon dioxide, and albumin (A liver produced protien) Thyroid tests came back normal. My nutritionist noted I am underweight (No duh?) but if I have had the same diet for the last 3 years (I have, roughly 2k calories a day) that I shouldnt have seen any significant mass weight loss due to it. I am 400 calories lower than what I should be however. (She said I should be around 2400) She suggests I try and eat 3k a day just to see if I can gain some lost weght back, but still that doesnt explain why I lost so much.

I feel very tired all the time, and combine that with some back pain, and just recently, what feels like kidney pain, I find my activity level to be shot. I hate going out in the sun anymore, as I find it to be burning hot (In montana its roughly 70-80 lately, so not terrible. But, anytime I am inside, I am freezing. Throw another wrench into the equation: My fiance says my body ratiates heat, even when I say I feel I am freezing.

I cant really gain any muscle mass either, and my work (US Air Force) is harping me on that. Its not that I dont try to work out, but I NEVER see any gains. Heck, on days that I put in a ton of effort I HAVE to go pass out, I am that tired. It seems no matter how much sleep I get, I am exhausted. I dont enjoy doing hardly anything physical anymore as I just dont have the energy, and it tires me out more. Top it off with the fact my fiance is a superbly active individual, and she has been getting supremely frustrated/angry with everything, so that is causing more stress. Ive even been feeling more sick lately, which has even led people to wonder if I am imagining my body having poblems, and then due to my mind thinking it, it becomes true.

So I guess my whole point in posting all this is has anyone had a similar experience? Anyone have any tips? I want to feel better. I have another follow up with my doc in 2 weeks, but honestly the amount of concern that he has show has been nil. I could really use a little help here, and am really lost.

P.S: My family has had an extensive history of cancer. I dont smoke (Quit back in 09), rarely drink, and despite always feeling exausted, I still try and get a little amount of gym time (Im required 5 days a week, i just do light workouts)
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Re: Medical Woes

Postby Shoju » Thu Aug 12, 2010 12:50 pm

Have you ever had your Hemoglobin A1C tested?
How is your mood?
Do you find that you are from time to time angry and you have no reason to be, and can't change the mood?
Do you ever find yourself incredibly thirsty?
Do you have a sweet taste in your mouth?
Have people commented that your breath smells oddly sweet?
Do you go through times that you just have to urinate no matter how much or how little you have drank?

If you answered yes to a couple of these questions, and you have never had an A1C test performed, I would highly recommend you get that tested, as well as a simple Blood Sugar Glucose test. It sounds like it could be the onset of Type 1 Diabetes, but without knowing your mood/thirst/other habits, I couldn't say that it 'really' sounds like it. The weight loss while consuming normal food levels, and CBA attitude about going outside were the parts that intrigued me about it.

If your dr. gives you the run around about it, find a dr who will do the test. there is no 'cut off age' for your pancreas to decide that the islets of langerhans need to stop working, and despite it's oft used name of Juvenile onset Diabetes, you can be diagnosed with it at any time in your life.
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Re: Medical Woes

Postby Blackharon » Thu Aug 12, 2010 12:52 pm

Vycera wrote: So, something has happened in the last 2 months to cause me to loose 20 pounds. I have ran blood tests, and tanked to a nutritionist. Blood test results in SLIGHTLY high sodium, calcium, potassium, carbon dioxide, and albumin (A liver produced protien) Thyroid tests came back normal. My nutritionist noted I am underweight (No duh?) but if I have had the same diet for the last 3 years (I have, roughly 2k calories a day) that I shouldnt have seen any significant mass weight loss due to it. I am 400 calories lower than what I should be however. (She said I should be around 2400) She suggests I try and eat 3k a day just to see if I can gain some lost weght back, but still that doesnt explain why I lost so much.

I feel very tired all the time, and combine that with some back pain, and just recently, what feels like kidney pain, I find my activity level to be shot. I hate going out in the sun anymore, as I find it to be burning hot (In montana its roughly 70-80 lately, so not terrible. But, anytime I am inside, I am freezing. Throw another wrench into the equation: My fiance says my body ratiates heat, even when I say I feel I am freezing.


Before I found out I was diabetic I lost 20 pounds in a little over 4 months. Are you finding your thirst to be unquenchable (especially after meals)? Your body not turning carbs into energy (Your activity level decrease) also points me to the same conclusion.

Eating more wouldn't help if this is the case since it all goes to waste.

Edit to add: Dammit - someone beat me to it. I thought I was being all insightful :P. While what the above poster says is true, type 1 diabetes (juvenile) is more frequently developed some time before your mid-twenties. It can happen later, but your more likely to develop type 2 diabetes after that point.
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Re: Medical Woes

Postby Vycera » Thu Aug 12, 2010 12:56 pm

If I am reading my lab result correct, there isnt any A1C on there, but there is HGB, which is within normal limits. As is glucose.

Question about unusual urination: I normally only have to go every now and then. But say, I finish a Large Burger King Iced Tea, (or lately, a 20oz waterbottle of tap water) I find myself needing to pee every 10-15minutes for almost 2 hours after drinking.

Hard part about if the Doc is giving me a run around is I am military. The doc I have, is pretty much the doc I am stuck with. Especially due to the type of job I have.

Mood wise, I am normally pretty level, but I get depressed easily, (More like, a "Let Down" sort of feeling) Except with these two dogs that my fiance is house sitting. Even just coming home to them and seeing them all hyper strikes a nerve with me and I get angry (I HATE it when they lick or jump on me. Grrrrr) Normally, I love animals.

Edit: One other oddity. It's only been 2 days since I have been trying to up my food intake, and I am finding myself with a pretty pouding headache. The increased water intake (since they said I was SLIGHTLY dehydrated) makes what feels like my kidneys have a pain. Any type of pressure in that area hurts, which is annoying since to fix my back problems (Stupid gear >.<) I have to do physical therapy that puts pressure on the area. Relieve one pain to have another. Pain is similar to a muscle ache, but deeper. (If that makes sense) Fluxuates froma dull 3/10 to earlier was a 6-7/10
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Re: Medical Woes

Postby Shoju » Thu Aug 12, 2010 12:59 pm

Actually eating more could end up being worse for you depending on what you eat, carbs and what not, by pushing your blood sugar higher.

And you're right, T2 is normally what you develop later in life, but normally that is because your body isn't producing enough insulin, as opposed to producing virtually none. (I say virtually, because there are documented cases where they can produce, then shut off, and what not.) the body is a funny funny thing


My wife is 29, and has been diabetic now for 20 years. we have been together for ~12 years, and I have learned a lot about it. I would kill to be in the insulin pump field. the technology has come so far in a relatively short period of time, and I think that soon, the technology is going to explode, really improving things for a lot of people.
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Re: Medical Woes

Postby Blackharon » Thu Aug 12, 2010 1:08 pm

Shoju wrote:Actually eating more could end up being worse for you depending on what you eat, carbs and what not, by pushing your blood sugar higher.

And you're right, T2 is normally what you develop later in life, but normally that is because your body isn't producing enough insulin, as opposed to producing virtually none. (I say virtually, because there are documented cases where they can produce, then shut off, and what not.) the body is a funny funny thing


My wife is 29, and has been diabetic now for 20 years. we have been together for ~12 years, and I have learned a lot about it. I would kill to be in the insulin pump field. the technology has come so far in a relatively short period of time, and I think that soon, the technology is going to explode, really improving things for a lot of people.


Going slightly off topic, does your wife use the pump? I've been teetering on the fence of switching from the pens for some time - but a few years back had my endo. explain the pump to me and I felt it would be very intrusive and inconvenient for someone with a fairly active lifestyle. Is this feeling accurate?

To the OP: Iced tea and any other super-sugary drink (non-diet cola, juices, alcohol etc) will certainly have that effect on a diabetic.
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Re: Medical Woes

Postby Vycera » Thu Aug 12, 2010 1:09 pm

I dont normally drink sugary drinks, the Iced tea is simply brewed tea, no sugar. I drink mainly Milk, Tea, Water, and lemon-water. (Because, quite frankly 64oz of plain tap water a day gets OLD)
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Re: Medical Woes

Postby andx » Thu Aug 12, 2010 1:38 pm

What is your protein intake like? I'm 6'2" and have been 140 since i graduated high school. This summer I started eating a protein bar/ day and put on 12 pounds of healthy muscle.
Maybe I just have a disease or an addiction to tanking, my gf says I'm a masochist I say I like it rough, either way I'm a tank and I can't escape it.
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Re: Medical Woes

Postby Vycera » Thu Aug 12, 2010 1:44 pm

Probably around 170g a day or so. When I was in spec Ops I was at a 6k Calorie diet, 300g protien (Disgusting, but I was peeing Neon Green from al the excess vitamins) and all that happened was I gained a slightly more athletic LOOK, but gained 0 weight. (On the other hand, I felt healthier then, despite the massive bronchitus attack of doom that eliminated me from the program >.<)
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Re: Medical Woes

Postby Kelaan » Thu Aug 12, 2010 2:24 pm

Vycera wrote:Probably around 170g a day or so. When I was in spec Ops I was at a 6k Calorie diet, 300g protien (Disgusting, but I was peeing Neon Green from al the excess vitamins) and all that happened was I gained a slightly more athletic LOOK, but gained 0 weight.


I wonder if it's possible to have too much protein.

http://www.healthcalculators.org/calculators/protein.asp , with ~30 years old, 5'9", active lifestyle (you said you're military), says you should be eating 100-110 grams of protein, so that sounds like you're about OK.

Disclaimer: not a nutritionist; this is just what I found by googling "recommended protein intake".
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Re: Medical Woes

Postby Vycera » Thu Aug 12, 2010 2:31 pm

Excess protien is simply peed out. hence why when I was in spec ops I had the Neon Green pee. (Also due to excess vitamin b's) Generally, they say that if you are trying to gain weight/muscle mass, increase your protien by half of your normal intake.

Ultimitely it is all going to come down to when I speak to the doctor, but any other suggestions or personal experiences you all have had will give me some good legs to stand on when I go see him and suggest things.
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Re: Medical Woes

Postby culhag » Thu Aug 12, 2010 2:57 pm

Just a random thought : parasites ?
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Re: Medical Woes

Postby Fridmarr » Thu Aug 12, 2010 3:00 pm

Kelaan wrote:
Vycera wrote:Probably around 170g a day or so. When I was in spec Ops I was at a 6k Calorie diet, 300g protien (Disgusting, but I was peeing Neon Green from al the excess vitamins) and all that happened was I gained a slightly more athletic LOOK, but gained 0 weight.


I wonder if it's possible to have too much protein.

http://www.healthcalculators.org/calculators/protein.asp , with ~30 years old, 5'9", active lifestyle (you said you're military), says you should be eating 100-110 grams of protein, so that sounds like you're about OK.

Disclaimer: not a nutritionist; this is just what I found by googling "recommended protein intake".
Heh, when I used to work out a lot, the plan was 1g of protein and 2g of carbs per pound of body weight...
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Re: Medical Woes

Postby Fivelives » Thu Aug 12, 2010 5:55 pm

You could have a problem with your gall bladder, which would make it harder for your body to break down fats that you eat. On your bloodwork, what were your vitamin A, D, E and K levels? The fat-soluble vitamin levels being high/low would point to a problem with the gallbladder or liver bile production.

Just this amount of info isn't really enough to go on, though. Lower back pain could be work related and not actual kidney pain (especially if your urine isn't dark/discolored or containing blood). Slightly high albumin is mildly worrying, but it's like calling your tech-savvy friend and saying "Hey, my computer doesn't work" without providing specifics. It could be caused by just about anything, or it could be nothing. Check your ALT, AST, ALP and GGT levels. If they didn't test those, ask them to run a liver panel.

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Re: Medical Woes

Postby Shoju » Thu Aug 12, 2010 7:41 pm

Blackharon wrote:
Shoju wrote:Actually eating more could end up being worse for you depending on what you eat, carbs and what not, by pushing your blood sugar higher.

And you're right, T2 is normally what you develop later in life, but normally that is because your body isn't producing enough insulin, as opposed to producing virtually none. (I say virtually, because there are documented cases where they can produce, then shut off, and what not.) the body is a funny funny thing


My wife is 29, and has been diabetic now for 20 years. we have been together for ~12 years, and I have learned a lot about it. I would kill to be in the insulin pump field. the technology has come so far in a relatively short period of time, and I think that soon, the technology is going to explode, really improving things for a lot of people.


Going slightly off topic, does your wife use the pump? I've been teetering on the fence of switching from the pens for some time - but a few years back had my endo. explain the pump to me and I felt it would be very intrusive and inconvenient for someone with a fairly active lifestyle. Is this feeling accurate?

To the OP: Iced tea and any other super-sugary drink (non-diet cola, juices, alcohol etc) will certainly have that effect on a diabetic.



She has been on the pump for 14 years.

I love it. It is great. She loves it. 1 pump site every three days or 8+ shots a day....

the only thing is, I know when she is plannin' somthin' somthin' in the bedroom, because the pump is on the nightstand :lol:

other than that, it makes managament of her diabetes very easy, and makes life a lot easier. it gives you better control, but yes, it is always there. It is always connected. (outside of showers, swimming, and somethin somethin :lol: )
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