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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby cdan » Wed Oct 09, 2013 10:11 am

Nothing faddy about getting off wheat.
Getting off supermarket bread and mass market pastas and other mass market products made with flour are usually what people mean when they are getting off wheat. That is a good thing in the USA especially because of all the crap added to cheap flour. Which also has a lot of the good stuff taken out perversely enough. They also add in extra Gluten which, in larger amounts than were traditionally found in flour, etc. 501-00 years ago, can cause all sorts of digestive problems.

Cutting out a significant amount of mass market wheat is a bloody good idea.

Bake your own bread with decent flour that has not been processed to death and look for pasta brands that have ingredients lists that are not twenty lines long.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Sabindeus » Wed Oct 09, 2013 11:47 am

Amirya wrote:Why not just slice up the fruit and shove it in the freezer?

effort?
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Nikachelle » Wed Oct 09, 2013 12:40 pm

So I was like "I want a leather jacket because the one I have is old and... well basically I just want one."

So I go to the store and am asking about a particular jacket and the woman is like "Do you know what size you are? A medium or a... (she literally paused and eyeballed me up and down) or a large?" Thanks lady, I feel fabulous now. So I told her my previous jacket was a medium. AND THEN I WENT OVER TO THE RACK AND PUT ON A SIZE SMALL AND IT FIT PERFECTLY AND SHE WAS LIKE OKAY I GUESS YOU'RE A SMALL.

Damn did I ever feel vindicated.

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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby KysenMurrin » Wed Oct 09, 2013 12:51 pm

Ha ha, nice.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Fridmarr » Wed Oct 09, 2013 4:12 pm

cdan wrote:Nothing faddy about getting off wheat.
Getting off supermarket bread and mass market pastas and other mass market products made with flour are usually what people mean when they are getting off wheat. That is a good thing in the USA especially because of all the crap added to cheap flour. Which also has a lot of the good stuff taken out perversely enough. They also add in extra Gluten which, in larger amounts than were traditionally found in flour, etc. 501-00 years ago, can cause all sorts of digestive problems.

Cutting out a significant amount of mass market wheat is a bloody good idea.

Bake your own bread with decent flour that has not been processed to death and look for pasta brands that have ingredients lists that are not twenty lines long.

While I agree that the more refined flours aren't good for you, there's no real difference between mass market products made with flour, and the all-purpose flour people have at home. Basically, you want to eat products made with whole grain/whole wheat flour instead of the refined stuff which is often called just flour, white flour, or enriched flour. That holds whether it is store bought or you made it at home.

Also, gluten is actually added when making bread from the whole grain stuff. It's added create a better texture for the bread because all the extra fiber would make it very dense without that added rubbery protein. It's usually called vital wheat gluten, and pretty much any bread recipe with whole grain flour will require it. It's generally only a problem if you are sensitive to it.

I second the idea of making your own bread, it sounds like a pain, but with today's breadmakers it's really easy.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Nooska » Thu Oct 10, 2013 1:53 am

Homemade bread is also really really tasty.
Especially if using a sour dough recipe (it takes a bit of rpeparation to get teh sour dough, but ionce its there, you juust need to feed it and care for a it a bit - its a less demanding pet ;))

Using organic yeast and organic tipo 00 flour and a pinch of salt I made the tasties ciabatta bread I've ever had a few weeks ago. This is one of thos eplaces where organic really does make a difference, as there are more bacteria (the good kind) that can devolop more lactic acid in the leavening - especially with pre-doughs.

(The bad part of making ones own bread is - you need someone to eat it or you jsut end up ODing on calories to eat the tasty tasty bread :))
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Fivelives » Thu Oct 10, 2013 2:08 am

Gluten is a protein formed when wheat proteins (specifically glutenin and gliadin) are combined with water. That's why the current trend of gluten-free uses rice flour instead, along with almond flour and other sorts of flour substitutes (generally just powder anything that contains enough carbohydrates in it and you'll get a "flour substitute").

Fun fact, "celiac disease" (intolerance to gluten) is almost unknown outside the US, and it's almost completely absent (outside US run clinics) in third world shitholes who don't get to eat anything on a daily basis, let alone baked bread. The only starving kids that get celiac disease in third world countries are those that go to charity clinics run by US charitable organizations.

Which makes me doubt that it's Really Even A Thing. Remember folks, there used to be studies and literature that supported prophylactic tonsilectomies, then prophylactic ear tubes, etc. Today's bogeyman in the closet seems, at least to me, to be celiac disease. And my evidence is that the only places it's even noted are industrialized nations with a developed medical industry.

So I call bullshit on the whole "going wheat free" thing. Because it quite frankly is a bullshit fad. Eating a balanced diet with regulated portion control will ALWAYS be healthier than any starvation diet fad. Even if pseudoscientists want to convince you otherwise.

I'm fine with storebought bread, personally. Sure, baking your own sounds like it's so much better, but really the only difference between baking your own bread and buying bread at the store (either from the bakery or a distributor) is that you won't add anything that keeps your bread from going stale. They're called bread conditioners, and unless you want to eat your entire loaf of bread in a day - or bake a lot of bread pudding - it's better to either add your own bread conditioners (thus making your homebaked alternative bread exactly the same as commercial) or just buy commercial in the first place.

TL;DR: Celiac disease is bullshit, storebought bread is just fine, portion control and a balanced diet will ALWAYS be better than a starvation fad diet that removes anything from the proverbial shelves as far as what you can and can't eat.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Fridmarr » Thu Oct 10, 2013 5:59 am

Well the other difference is taste. Homemade can be customized to your tastes.

Conditioners and preservatives aren't necessarily the same thing. Homemade bread, properly stored, will last 4-5 days and it can be frozen. I don't have a problem with store bought bread either, just read the labels and you'll find some breads that use only whole grain flours.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby cdan » Thu Oct 10, 2013 9:27 am

BRB, got to go and tell my sister-in-law the geneticist that she is a pseudoscientist. Will certainly come as a surprise to her.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Nooska » Thu Oct 10, 2013 9:29 am

We have some pretty good labels that can be put on food around here.
The wholegrain label
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(Choose wholegrain first)
This label (for bread) means that at least 50 % of the dry stuff in it is wholegrain.
Additionally there requirements to the contents of fat, sugar, sodium and fibre.

There is the other mark called the Keyhole label;
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The Keyhole can be placed on food that meets requirements in regards to fibre, fat, sugar and salt. Candy, ice cream, soda etc cannot get the label.

The wholegrain label cannot be gotten without also meeting the requirements for the keyhole.

I still check the actual contents of a product, but using labels like these can help people to actually buy healthier produts, without having to understand the content label.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby firstamendme » Fri Oct 11, 2013 5:20 am

So minor victory I suppose. I went to a dietitian about 6 weeks ago and he told me that to lose fat and tone up (and just be generally healthier) I should add about 1000 calories to my daily intake (bringing it up to 4000). To make sense of my problem with this, one would first need to know that I was obese for the first ~18 years of my life and finally lost 160lbs right before starting undergrad. Since then, I'm super paranoid about gaining weight and tend to freak out that I'm eating too much all the time.

Hearing that I needed to eat that much more freaked me out, and it took me 3 weeks to actually force myself to start doing it. Since then, I've noted a huge increase in energy and endurance and have actually lost ~2% body fat after eating more. It's still difficult for me to accept even with the results, and when I go to eat I sometimes freak out a bit. I found that putting everything into excel and breaking down the numbers helps me to sit down and just think of it in terms of "I'm just meeting the doctors required numbers for these categories". I'm not sure if my mental state will ever change, but at least I'm eating the right amount! (It's 4000 calories of nutrient dense foods, whole grains, lots of protein and low fat dairy, and a ton of veggies and fruit).

Now I just have to keep overcoming my self imposed stigma against eating and keep at it. :P
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Fridmarr » Fri Oct 11, 2013 6:04 am

That's awesome. To be honest, I don't think I'd be able to eat 4k calories without resorting to junk food or gainer shakes. I just don't have the appetite anymore that I did in my 20s.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby firstamendme » Fri Oct 11, 2013 6:16 am

Thanks! If you count racquetball (typically a 1-2 hour session) I exercise about 10 times a week and am very active while in my lab during the day. That helps the appetite, but I've definitely had to add things like protein bars (300 calories a pop) and very dense foods to hit 4k. Also things like making my protein shakes with milk instead of water helps. Additionally I've come to discover that "Family Packs" of lean chicken breasts are grossly mislabeled :p. It feels like I'm always eating, but it's doable. The thing to really get used to is eating while drinking the massive amount of water recommended while on a high protein diet. Sometimes I just feel a little sloshy.

The one thing I've noticed that really buggers me up is drinking alcohol. I've noticed that drinking (typically bourbon) destroys my appetite the next day and makes it hard to maintain the inflated caloric values.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Nikachelle » Fri Oct 11, 2013 6:19 am

Wow that's amazing. And kudos do your dietitian to tell you to eat more (even if it is 4k calories... holy crud). I hear all too often that doctor order their patients to eat far too few calories which generally results in more problems.

And holy shit you lost 160 pounds? That's amazing!
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby firstamendme » Fri Oct 11, 2013 6:40 am

Nikachelle wrote:Wow that's amazing. And kudos do your dietitian to tell you to eat more (even if it is 4k calories... holy crud). I hear all too often that doctor order their patients to eat far too few calories which generally results in more problems.


The number is that high because of my super high activity level along with being 6'4, 240lbs with 7% body fat, and large framed. Psychologically i still have to fight the desire to only eat 1200, which is dangerously low for someone my size.

Nikachelle wrote:And holy shit you lost 160 pounds? That's amazing!


Not so amazing the way I did it. It was a form of bulimia (I didn't know that at the time) where the purging is exercise instead of vomiting. I would eat 1100 calories a day and burn 1900-2000 per day through exercise. I looked like a concentration camp survivor at the end. Luckily I was 17 years old so my body didn't suffer any permanent damage through such rapid (~11 months) loss and abuse.


Edit: The purge part comes into play in that if I ate 100 extra calories one day, I would figure out the exact amount of exercise I would need to do to counter it and add it on.
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