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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Amirya » Wed Aug 07, 2013 6:51 pm

That...sounds even more vile.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Nooska » Thu Aug 08, 2013 3:50 am

Right, thursday has rolled around, and another day on the scale.
As expected I've dropped quite a bit since monday (again, no obvious explanation), so I'm now clocking in just under 256 lbs - thats a loss of just over 3 lbs since monday, and what I would call an actual loss of ~1.5 lbs since last thursday.
If I eliminate the wild swings, I just don't feel I am losing what I should be losing, seeing as I am living off ~1500 kcals per day (just under on average), while my maintenance requirement is just under 3000 kcals per day, meaning I should be dropping ~3 lbs per week. I started out at a 2000 kcal diet, but it wasn't really doing anything.

It's at this point that I'm wondering if its time to talk to the doctor about possible slow metabolism - I do have other signs/symptoms/indicators for slow metabolism, like fatigue/aching joints/susceptibility to cold, dry skin, slow pulse etc, but a lot of that could just as easily be from being overweight or other known medical conditions (the only one I don't have any known cause of is skin irritation/dry skin).
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby lythac » Thu Aug 08, 2013 4:38 am

The Bakon Vodka doesn't sound very nice on its own. Looking at the site it seems good for bloody marys or simply just mixing with tomato juice.

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I see it being nice if done as a shot with some Tabasco sauce (well not nice, the opposite of nice).
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby cdan » Thu Aug 08, 2013 6:39 am

Nooska wrote:Right, thursday has rolled around, and another day on the scale.
As expected I've dropped quite a bit since monday (again, no obvious explanation), so I'm now clocking in just under 256 lbs - thats a loss of just over 3 lbs since monday, and what I would call an actual loss of ~1.5 lbs since last thursday.
If I eliminate the wild swings, I just don't feel I am losing what I should be losing, seeing as I am living off ~1500 kcals per day (just under on average), while my maintenance requirement is just under 3000 kcals per day, meaning I should be dropping ~3 lbs per week. I started out at a 2000 kcal diet, but it wasn't really doing anything.

It's at this point that I'm wondering if its time to talk to the doctor about possible slow metabolism - I do have other signs/symptoms/indicators for slow metabolism, like fatigue/aching joints/susceptibility to cold, dry skin, slow pulse etc, but a lot of that could just as easily be from being overweight or other known medical conditions (the only one I don't have any known cause of is skin irritation/dry skin).


If you are worried about your metabolism why not add in some green tea drinks (unsweetened) and up your exercise intensity. Smaller meals more often instead of fewer larger meals also helps with some people.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Cogglamp » Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:44 am

There's a delicate balance between measuring yourself to figure out the long term trend versus over-measuring yourself. That goes for caloric intake, exercise, weight loss, etc. Unfortunately, there are too many factors to accurately analyze each and every week to figure out why you aren't losing weight at a particular rate.

This isn't a sprint. Hell, it's not even a race. It's a life long dedication to yourself (and ultimately the ones you love) and your health to go down this path. If your exercising, eating right and committing to your plan of long lasting health and fitness, then you're going to see a long term trend for the better.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Nooska » Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:33 am

The long term trend is for th ebetter, I'm just worried that my goals and decisions may be based on the wrong premise.

As for smaller meals, that will be difficult, as My basic meal (when not actually cooking) is a slice of bread with something on, resulting in about 166 kcals for a meal (and have no problem with that a a base). A cooked dinner is anywhere from 200 to 700 kcals, depending on what I'm eating, (how calorierich it is, the size of the serveng seldom varies).

As this is a lifelong thing (well when I hit my target weight, my calori intakke can go up to maintenance rather than losing weight), I am also allowing myself sweets and other things like ice cream (though it's becoming rarer that I want ice cream) and crisps/chips - I just adjust the serving size down. (If I eat chips/crisps for instance, my usual serving is 10-20 grams depending on what type - I 'fill' a small bowl for visual input, and go with the puffed crisps when possible - the take up more room for fewer calories, while still looking the same).

The main culprit I'm looking at for varying weights is still my liquid intake, as I do not register that (that would be too cumbersome, and I need a subscription to the app to be able to easily register liquids).
For the liquid part, I'm hoping I will see a result when our new scale arrives and I've used it for a while. (as in, if I see my body water content go up when I weigh more and down when I weigh down, that will give a clearer understanding).
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Fivelives » Thu Aug 08, 2013 11:06 am

Amirya wrote:My boss is aware of what I've been eating, he's always heard it takes 21 days to form a habit.


It's actually quite a bit longer. On average, it takes about 10 weeks - 66 days, actually - to form a new habit that's going to be long term. Simple habits (like drinking more water) can be formed in about 18 days, but more complicated or difficult ones (exercise, for instance) can take as much as 254 days. There's an interesting study on it here: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... 496.d02t02

That's with actually performing the action you want to habitualize daily. Missing days isn't TOO detrimental, but there is an effect when you do that.

I also agree with the recent trend in the discussion. You have to want to change before you can change. There may be good, valid reasons to change, but unless you have the desire to actually do it, nothing will ever get done despite the number of reasons you come up with to do something different. Nobody else can make that decision for you.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Lieris » Thu Aug 08, 2013 5:53 pm

I came home with sushi and a big bag of wasabi peas today.

This week is probably a write off! :p
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Fridmarr » Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:56 pm

Cogglamp wrote:There's a delicate balance between measuring yourself to figure out the long term trend versus over-measuring yourself. That goes for caloric intake, exercise, weight loss, etc. Unfortunately, there are too many factors to accurately analyze each and every week to figure out why you aren't losing weight at a particular rate.

This isn't a sprint. Hell, it's not even a race. It's a life long dedication to yourself (and ultimately the ones you love) and your health to go down this path. If your exercising, eating right and committing to your plan of long lasting health and fitness, then you're going to see a long term trend for the better.
Well said.

And I'd like to add to this that it sounds like Nooska, that you are traversing well (very well) within the margin of error for the measurements, equipment, and algorithms you are using. Remember that these algorithms are dealing with averages on several different levels, as a former wrestler I can tell you that professionally maintained and certified scales can be gamed (in other words, they have their quirks of inaccuracy if you don't stand on them exactly the same), much less a home scale. That doesn't even get into the very good point about water weight that you are making.

Just keep watching the trend over the long term and don't sweat the week to week stuff.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby cdan » Fri Aug 09, 2013 7:35 am

Lieris wrote:I came home with sushi and a big bag of wasabi peas today.

This week is probably a write off! :p


Eh? Nothing wrong with that at all. Especially the peas. Loads of protein in them.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Nikachelle » Fri Aug 09, 2013 7:50 am

The only major problem I heard of with sushi was that it's usually a lot of mayonnaise mixed in to bind the stuff together. Other than that, I'd say it's pretty healthy.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Amirya » Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:29 am

Not necessarily, it depends on what the filling is. I actually see mayo more in the Western versions than the Japanese versions.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby cdan » Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:40 am

Mayonnaise is evil. Marks and Spencer sandwiches used to be bathed in the stuff. Bumped the saturated fat content up through the roof on their pasta salads too. Is that still the case?
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Lieris » Fri Aug 09, 2013 9:41 am

It was all vegan sushi so no mayo, all authentic. I could live off the avocado rolls.

I thought all that white rice might do me in but if you guys say it's okay I guess I am off the hook. ;) I also had some kakiage but lets pretend I didn't.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Nooska » Fri Aug 09, 2013 10:29 am

Vegan sushi? but sushi is with fish O.o - is what you are eating is sushi inspired vegetable/fruit rolls?
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Lieris » Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:01 am

Nooska wrote:Vegan sushi? but sushi is with fish O.o - is what you are eating is sushi inspired vegetable/fruit rolls?


Nope, sushi does not = fish. It just means rice prepared a certain way and served with whatever. You can make pepper, cucumber, tofu, avocado, sweet potato, carrot... whatever roll you like.

One of my favourite types of sushi is inari zushi which is sushi rice in a sort of bean curd pouch.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Rhiannon » Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:02 am

Sushi is the particular preparation of rice combined with other ingredients. While often that's fish, it can be lots of things - it's the rice that defines sushi.

Lieris - without knowing how much sushi you actually had and other details about you it's impossible to know if you ate "too much", but sushi/white rice isn't inherently unhealthy or anything like that. Sure brown rice is generally considered healthier than white, but that doesn't make sushi bad.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Nikachelle » Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:26 am

Maybe you can all educate me on vegetarian sushi, because while I like sushi, I'm totally grossed out by the raw fish idea. As a result, the only think I know how to order is a California roll!
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Shoju » Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:47 am

79.5 pounds... DAMN YOU HALF POUND.

I have 39 days until my birthday.... I'm wondering if I can hit 90 pounds by then. That seems a little unrealistic though. That's another 11.5 pounds, and as I lose more weight, the weight loss is slowing down. It would require me to duplicate my weight loss from the previous month.

Though, I'm still quietly rooting for 100 pounds by Christmas. 100 pounds, 10 months, I think I can do it.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Lieris » Fri Aug 09, 2013 12:57 pm

Nikachelle wrote:Maybe you can all educate me on vegetarian sushi, because while I like sushi, I'm totally grossed out by the raw fish idea. As a result, the only think I know how to order is a California roll!


What do you want to know?

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This is the sort of sushi I buy from Japan Centre. With the maki zushi on the left I see what looks like daikon with green onion, kakiage (tempura vegetables), avocado and at the bottom is cucumber, tofu and some sort of spicy red vegetable which I don't like! The trio on the right is inari zushi which is sushi rice wrapped in tofu.

For nigiri zushi I like a slice of tofu, courgette or asparagus on top.

There are so many possibilities with sushi and vegetables. :)
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Nooska » Fri Aug 09, 2013 1:06 pm

Ohh, I completely forgot to add, new scale arrived today. Will be trying it out tomorrow morning (first the old scale, then the new, so we can see the difference thats bioound to be there, so we can "write it off" mentally, and say X = Y.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby KysenMurrin » Fri Aug 09, 2013 1:32 pm

If you're concerned about having eaten sushi for dinner, just know that my grandma visited on Wednesday and she left me an entire chocolate cake. You could be doing worse than sushi. (I have no regrets. She makes good cake.)
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Fivelives » Sat Aug 10, 2013 5:13 am

The term "sushi" itself just refers to the rice, that's why there are a number of different words on a sushi menu: temaki (hand rolled, looks kinda like an ice cream cone filled with sushi rice and topped with the other ingredients), maki (rolled using a mat and served in bite-sized chunks, the rice is inside the nori [seaweed] sheet), uramaki (maki rolls with the rice on the outside of the nori), nigiri (ball of sushi rice topped with sliced fish), and sashimi (thinly sliced raw fish).

Anything sushi with shellfish - generally only shrimp and crab - the shellfish is poached before being used in a roll (or in some cases, tempura fried). When in doubt, you can ask the server or the chef themselves if the ingredients are raw or cooked. It's also generally listed on the menu as well; anything that's not shrimp, crab, or specifically noted as tempura is most likely going to be raw, though.

Here are the most common things that are always cooked in sushi: crab, shrimp, eel, and octopus. Sometimes, if they can get it fresh enough, shrimp sashimi is available raw, but it's generally not available outside coastal towns with a shrimping industry. Shrimp goes off very quickly, sooo yeah.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Orthien » Sun Aug 11, 2013 8:05 pm

Thought it time to throw in my own work into this thread.

Just over 3 months ago I brought myself some home gym equiptment changed up my diet and started on the Stronglifts 5x5 stregth building plan.
My goal was to bulk up a bit due to being not at all muscular and burn off the stomach and torso fat that my family is predisposed to, all in an effort to mostly build confidence. No one thinks I am fat by any means but its always been something I felt ashamed of particularly at the beach etc.

Since then my weight hasn't really changed at all, I am still around 85kg for a 6'2" male but I have definitely gained mussle which means I have burnt off some of this fat. I still have quite some way to go but its nice to see some progress. Parts of my body are starting to not look like my body which is weird but also very cool.

This week I start 100kg squat which is a great milestone making it my second lift after Deadlift to pass that mark which is great.
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