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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby cdan » Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:55 am

Nikachelle wrote:I see this posted often on Tumblr and it makes me laugh every time.

Men's magazine on eating right: STEAK PROTEIN EAT A WHOLE DANG COW EAT YOUR LOCAL BOOK CLUB FOR AN EXTRA ENERGY BOOST PROTEIN HOO HAH

Women's magazine on eating right: One piece of lettuce a day with a side of two slices of skinless apple (the skin has extra calories! YUCK!) Want to treat yourself? Indulge in a plate of rabbit food with yummy diet water sauce for an extra kick!


That is because women's magazines are in the business of keeping women in a state of distress which keeps them coming back to women's magazines for more advice.

Men's magazines have the same stuff everyday because men don't listen and keep coming back looking for answers. Only when an opinion matches the one they have had all along do they agree and move on.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Shoju » Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:05 pm

Sabindeus wrote:How many hours a week is that? Are you ever on-call during off hours?


I get paid for 36.5 hours a week. I'm currently negotiating to get to a full 40. I'm on call 24/7 for the server, even though I'm not sure if something bad happened I would know what to do. I get paid if I have to come in, or if I have to use the VPN to handle something. when I'm not at work. But it's not hourly. It's just a "Hey I had to do X, and did it for X long", and they hand me money.

It's a "small" company.
We have <30 employees.
100,000+ SQ FT of Retail Space.
250,000+ SQ FT of Warehouse Space in this building
100,000+ SQ FT of Warehouse Space in a former Bowling Alley that borders this property.
150,000+ SQ FT of Retail Space in an even smaller town 20 min away where the original store was.
3.5 Acres of Military Trucks for sale.
and we are negotiating to buy the building across the street for ~200,00+ MORE SQ FT.

It's very old school here. My sales aren't as high as I would like them to be, but it's growing. When I started here ~5 years ago (just over I guess), There was a website that they couldn't update, 2 computers, dial up internet, no online sales, no ebay, phone orders were a catastrophe most of the time, no social media at all, and I was hired on a 1 yr contract just to build a presence online.

Now, we have ~14 comps, a server, a network, we're getting ready to take the whole building wireless (that's a MONUMENTAL UNDERTAKING), We're talking about a POS System (I lol at that. You would have to see the place to understand how futile a POS system would be until it was up and running, and it would take YEARS to get everything in it)

Part of it is frustrating, because the owner judges my worth based solely on the sales, when that is roughly 1/2 of what I do on a daily basis. The VP's (there are 2, brother & Sister, children of the owner) understand my importance, as does the Office Manager. But when I've doubled the sales (at least) EVERY FREAKING YEAR and I pulled teeth to let me sell on ebay, and to offer more on the website, and to get things going, it's a little frustrating to hear that I'm being judged only on half of what I do.

Such is the life, and it's a big reason I'm going back to college. I'm woefully underpaid (by about 40% based on my best guess based on what I "Do" compared to jobs that I would do in a comparable setting other places), but they are pretty flexible with my time, and my wife's schedule, and they understand that my on call stuff is predecated by my wife's ability to keep the kids. If she is on call, and they need me, it's VPN or nothing, because her on call > the $$$$$ of my on call.

Honestly, I would eventually like to go into business for myself. I love online sales. I love eBay. I hate Craigslist, but see it's purpose. I love Social Media. I would love to have a business that I run, where I buy and sell. I'd probably start with buying yard sales. Come in on the last day, and just make an offer on whatever they have left. Sort it, photo it, and sell it. Over, and Over, and Over. I don't even know if I would bother with a Store where people cuold walk in and buy. Maybe I would have a counter where they could sell (but that's a headache).

For now, I'm just focused on getting hooked up with a reputable school that offers a digital marketing degree online. I've found 1 school that offers one, but I've never heard of them, so I'm not sure how reputable they are, and the Art Institute has one, but unlike other places that offer online degrees, they aren't tripping over themselves to get in touch with me.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Sabindeus » Fri Aug 02, 2013 1:56 pm

I'm pretty impressed you manage to juggle all those responsibilities with the weight loss! what's your secret?
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Nikachelle » Fri Aug 02, 2013 2:38 pm

Sabindeus wrote:I'm pretty impressed you manage to juggle all those responsibilities with the weight loss! what's your secret?

There isn't one! Eat less and workout more.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Fridmarr » Fri Aug 02, 2013 7:08 pm

Well said Nikachelle.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Nikachelle » Fri Aug 02, 2013 7:38 pm

There's all kinds of "sayings" out there to drive you. The one I see most often is "If it's important enough to you, you'll do it. If it's not, you'll find an excuse."

And it's true. If you don't want something enough, you'll find an excuse not to do it.

In terms of "tricks" though... it all comes down to self control/time. If you work stupid hours and find yourself eating fast food because you don't have time to make regular food... then there's your problem. Make lunches at home and bring appropriate snacks. And by appropriate, I mean something that nature made, not something that humans processed. If you're one of those people that enjoys spending money on food (hell, I'm one of them, no shame!) then find something healthy that makes you happy and isn't overly expensive.) For me, that's USUALLY the food my cafeteria at work serves. (Don't even start on me on cafeteria food, my caf is goddamn fucking amazing.)

I say all this tongue in cheek however. I exercise "enough" at the moment, but I eat french fries every day and yet still lose weight (and/or stay stagnant). I'm not flat stomached and I'm not lean, but I'm happy where I am. I have lost a decent amount of weight and still eat what makes me happy. Anything can be done, but you have to find what makes you happy (in terms of nutrition requirements/exercise). At this stage, I need to exercise a lot more because I'm not willing to make dietary sacrifices. In a month or two, that will change and I'll be able to exercise less because I'll be eating a bit less.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Nooska » Sat Aug 03, 2013 1:46 pm

Nikachelle wrote:There's all kinds of "sayings" out there to drive you. The one I see most often is "If it's important enough to you, you'll do it. If it's not, you'll find an excuse."


That echoes quite perfectly what I also said tonight at dinner, where we were talking a bit about weightloss (GF and me, my mother and my great aunt on my mothers side).
If you want to lose weight because you fell like you should, you will fail. If you want to lose weight because you want to lose weight, you will succeed.

(With the proper annotations about being able to* and knowing how)


*Depending on where you live, a healthy diet that will let you lose weight, will cost more than the unhealthy weight gaining diet - around here vegetables are around 3 times as pricey as potato chips, if not more.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Lieris » Sat Aug 03, 2013 6:17 pm

Nooska wrote:*Depending on where you live, a healthy diet that will let you lose weight, will cost more than the unhealthy weight gaining diet - around here vegetables are around 3 times as pricey as potato chips, if not more.


That sucks. Over here I can go into town on market days and make a £10 note stretch really far when buying fruit and veg especially on stuff that is in season. Right now you can get really good prices on strawberries.

In Britain I think our schooling system is rubbish at preparing people for adult life and that among other things, cooking lessons, nutrition and budgeting a weekly food shop really should be mandatory as part of the curriculum, but at least in terms of cost and availability, nobody has any excuse for buying rubbish food. Sadly crap food is even more convenient than good food and the influence of the big multi-nationals that make this crap processed food extends all the way to the top but that's another topic.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Nooska » Sun Aug 04, 2013 3:10 am

I think most western countries ae generally bad at teaching home economics (even when they hav classes that are called that) including food and healthy eating - leaving it to the parents (who in a large majority also suck at it, when looking at statistics of debt tracking bureaus etc, and the obesity statistics as well).

Basically, I am of the opinion that society (in this case schools) need to step up when it is clear that a great deal of society is failing at stuff themselve s(trying not to get political) ; economics (basic household) and healthy eating should be taught in schools (in an interesting way, so it sticks)
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby katraya » Sun Aug 04, 2013 7:06 am

Nikachelle wrote:
Sabindeus wrote:I'm pretty impressed you manage to juggle all those responsibilities with the weight loss! what's your secret?

There isn't one! Eat less and workout more.


Yes, because it's always that easy. Seriously? :roll:
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Nikachelle » Sun Aug 04, 2013 7:49 am

I was being flippant, but the essence behind it is true. I didn't say it was easy though.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Fridmarr » Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:12 am

Nikachelle wrote:I was being flippant, but the essence behind it is true. I didn't say it was easy though.
Indeed. I think portion control and eating more nutrient dense food as opposed to calorie dense food (aka "eating healthy") is fairly common knowledge, as is the weight loss benefits of more exercise. At that high of a level it is simplistic, and there really aren't any "tricks".

Now, figuring out how a person can achieve a healthier diet(lifestyle), add more exercise to their daily life, and maintain the motivation to see it through, is obviously not easy or everybody would do it.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Lieris » Sun Aug 04, 2013 11:56 am

I think a lot of it is contingent on good mental health. If you're suffering from crippling depression you're not going to look after yourself as well as you could and no amount of misguided encouragement to exercise is going to get someone who feels hopeless to lose weight. I think you need that glimmer of hope first to get the ball rolling.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Shoju » Sun Aug 04, 2013 5:58 pm

Nika really hit it on the head. There isn't a secret. It's not something extraordinary that I'm doing. I downloaded myfitnesspal to my phone, I cut out McDonald's Burger King Wendy's and what not from my diet, I snack on healthy stuff or less bad stuff, I get off my ass and get some exercise, and I just eat better.

For me, the app has been a god send. I can count my calories, and I can check what something is calorie wise before I eat it. I used to eat out for lunch every work day. Bringing food was a pain in the ass because I work with a few dipshits who will eat anything in the fridge.

To combat that, I got a nice insulated bag, and I carry my lunch in that. If I do eat out for lunch, it's a 6" from subway, and I try to stick to the "healthier" choices. Ham, chicken, veggie is it really.

I traded out fatty stuff got not as fatty versions. I use fat free or the 95% fat free cheeses, and I don't eat 2 pieces on stuff, or I use the serving size (1/4 cup) if its shredded. I changed the breads that I eat to whole grain types. I don't use terrible condiments like mayo or BBQ sauce. I stick to mustard, Italian dressing, and fresh ground pepper.

An the biggest thing: THIS IS NOT A DIET. I'm not going to quit when I hit some magic number. This is how I eat now. When I lose the weight, I'll adjust the app, and my calories to a "maintain" plan, instead of a weight loss plan.

Silly, that the biggest thing is really just a brain "trick". But that's what it is. Keep moving forward, keep going. I don't want my kids to only remember me as that fat guy. I want them to learn the things I didn't about how to eat properly. Find what your motivation is, and really, the rest is a breeze
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Fridmarr » Sun Aug 04, 2013 10:39 pm

Lieris wrote:I think a lot of it is contingent on good mental health. If you're suffering from crippling depression you're not going to look after yourself as well as you could and no amount of misguided encouragement to exercise is going to get someone who feels hopeless to lose weight. I think you need that glimmer of hope first to get the ball rolling.

Yeah that's double trouble because the depression can lead to overeating, which leads to weight gain, which leads to more depression and it can spiral out of control. That pattern will have to be broken somehow, and folks finding themselves in that situation should seek the help of a mental health professional.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Fridmarr » Sun Aug 04, 2013 10:50 pm

Shoju wrote:But that's what it is. Keep moving forward, keep going.
I simply can not emphasize the importance of that statement enough. There are days when it's easy, you feel good, you have energy and you want to workout, you aren't craving some "bad" food and you are just cruising along. But then there are days when you feel like crap, you're tired, extra busy, there are junk food cravings all around, and you don't feel like you are progressing. It's really easy to stop, but man when you push through those days, they can be the most fulfilling.

You keep going and one day your clothes are looser, you have to tighten your belt an extra notch, maybe the scale gives you some good numbers, and of course a friend you haven't seen in a month compliments you. Keep going.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Nooska » Mon Aug 05, 2013 7:33 am

A little frustration coming in here.
As I think I said, I weigh myself twice a week, monday and thursday.
I've been keeping my calorie count (actually I've been undereating slightly, mostly due to the unusual warmth and lack of apetite there from) - I can eat rough 1500 kcal/day, and I've averaged 1355 kcals per day over the last 7 days (monday to sunday).
Last monday I weighed in at just under 260 lbs. Thursday I weighed in at 257 lbs., and today I weighed in at just under 259 lbs. (going down a lot for thursday and back up a bit for monday is usual, so probably my weekly fluctuuation - thursday is, of course the high point of the week ;-))
I know it probably has to do with me eating a bit heavier food yesterday (got a kebab and fries for dinner, calori count was fine for it, but it is heavier) and possibly with having drunk a bit more due to heat (since I don't register my drinks as they are 0 kcal drinks), but it is still a bit frustrating, to be almost back where I was last monday, when the kcal count per day should have me losing 1.5 kg / ~3 lbs per week.

(I know this is how it goes, and it's not discouraging as such, just a bit frustrating, and needed to get it out, and the frustrations thread feels a bit out of place for it).
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Rhiannon » Mon Aug 05, 2013 7:53 am

I weigh myself every morning immediately after going for a pee and can fluctuate by up to 2.5kg depending on how much I ate the day before/sweated during the night/when I last emptied my bowels so I wouldn't worry too much about it.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Nooska » Mon Aug 05, 2013 8:06 am

Yeah, not worrying, just a little frustrated today.

(Another reason I'm really wnating one of those fancy weights that look at fat% etc - as long as it's consistent with itself it doesn't have to be overly precise)
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Rhiannon » Mon Aug 05, 2013 8:21 am

Unfortunately not. I've got a pair of these, and that's what I weigh myself with every morning as well as taking body fat %. Currently in the last week it has varied between 10.5% and 13.3%, again measured at the same time of day, without obvious correlation to weight. Body fat estimations using electrical impedence are notoriously inaccurate and susceptible to slight variations, only way you'll get any useful information is watching the average trend (e.g. when I first got them it was giving readings between 16.5% and 18.5%, so at this point I can be fairly sure I've lost some body fat, but beyond that they're not hugely useful).

They can also bear very little relationship to your true body fat % (atm mine suggests an average of around 11.5%, but in reality I'm pretty sure I'm closer to 18%).
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Sabindeus » Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:01 am

I seriously can't keep up with calorie counting. I also tried to use Myfitnesspal for a while and failed at ever entering dinner, and then eventually started failing at breakfast and lunch. Too many things that I need to pay attention to during the day so I end up dropping the one I am least interested in...

Re; wanting to lose weight leading to losing weight.. I don't really have any mental association between eating correctly and losing weight... the last time I actually dropped 20 pounds last year I don't even know what I did. My doctor praised me and I was like "really? huh." Haven't been able to duplicate the effort since. I have a general sense of what I should be eating, but then I just eat more of it, and snack on things that aren't good because they're THERE in the office, and then sometimes I just really want ice cream.

that almost turned into some sort of rant, better quit while I'm ahead...
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby cdan » Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:08 am

If you want to get a better view on how your body is changing you should stop using a scale and start using a tape measure. Measure your chest, waist, hips, your upper thigh and your upper arm at least once a week. Track changes there. Weighing yourself just invites all sorts of frustrations especially as muscle is far denser and heavier than fat so if you are exercising and altering calorie intake you may find times when you put on a bit of weight. Only the tape measure will be able to tell you if that was a good thing or not though.

If you are trying to gain muscle and lose fat then your waist measurement should be the only thing shrinking. If you are just trying to lose weight then all of the measurements should be reducing.

Takes about a minute once a week and is a far better gauge than either BF% or normal scales.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Amirya » Mon Aug 05, 2013 10:08 am

On my own front -

Still tend to get nauseous in the evenings after work, which apparently makes me look like an extra (or the star!) of a zombie movie, so I'm still missing out on gym time. Which is a bit of a frustration, but not much I can do about that for now.

Weigh in for yesterday morning showed another pound lost. So six pounds lost since we started this experiment, can't complain about that.

Realised that while I miss Pepsi, quite a bit, I don't think I could tolerate a whole lot of it anymore - last time I had some was five or six weeks ago, and that was two sips from my mother's. Still miss bread and rice and pasta, but mostly because I feel if I included it in my normal meals, I'd actually eat even less than I do now since it tends to be filling. On the other hand, my roommate tends to watch me more than a hawk does a tasty mouse, and gets mad at me if I don't eat enough (apparently, a plum for lunch in the middle of a ten hour work day isn't enough).

At this point, just waiting for cooler weather to hit so I can at least go walking when I'm awake. I'm already surly and grumpy in the mornings, suggesting that I get up earlier than that just to go take a walk usually leads to the threat of violence.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Nooska » Mon Aug 05, 2013 10:23 am

Rhiannon: thats roughly what I meant by "consistent with itself".

In regards to measuring, I measure my waist once per month (or rather, every 4 weeks), because thats what the dietist the GF went to recommended, so you had a better chance of seeing progress. (Well that, and I suck at measuring)

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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Amirya » Mon Aug 05, 2013 11:29 am

Sabindeus wrote:I have a general sense of what I should be eating, but then I just eat more of it, and snack on things that aren't good because they're THERE in the office, and then sometimes I just really want ice cream.


So, some questions for you:

What do you mean by "what I should be eating"?
Why do you eat more?
Why are you snacking on things that are just there (ie: you're actually hungry, you feel like you should because everyone else is, you damn well earned it, etc)?
Why ice cream, and not something else, like an orange or an apple (ok, it's ice cream, but still)?
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