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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Fridmarr » Mon Jul 29, 2013 6:15 am

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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Fivelives » Mon Jul 29, 2013 6:20 am

Nooska, an RN is a Registered Nurse.

I wouldn't pay too terribly much attention to BMI as a measurement of fitness. It's a joke, and I've gone on about it at length here somewhere. As a shorthand easy-to-read chart for a doc to point at you and explain "you're fat" in a politically correct way, it's not horrible. But as a measurement of pretty much anything else, it's kinda useless. Body composition tests are way better, and you can even pick up scales for around $20 at Walmart or Target that can measure your body fat percentage. It's not going to be SUPER-accurate, but it's better than the BMI chart, and at least it's consistent.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby KysenMurrin » Mon Jul 29, 2013 6:42 am

Ha, yeah. I always sit in the middle of "ideal" in BMI - because I'm a little overweight but with low muscle.

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I actually don't know how much I weigh, just have a general guess that I'm in the same region I've always been (~11 stone), but lately I've been feeling like my stomach is a little bigger. And I noticed this a few weeks after I started exercising regularly. Not sure if I'm just imagining it.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Lieris » Mon Jul 29, 2013 6:59 am

Nooska wrote:Now clocking in at 259.7 lbs and back down to BMI of 30.0 (I was briefly under that before I gained weight earlier this month). That makes a weight loss of 20.28 lbs since may 21st, and should see me at my currennt target weight of 209.5 lbs in ~15 weeks, provided it goes smoothly without too many jumps.

Always good to step on the weight and see it lower than last time :D


That's fantastic! I think I read somewhere that losing weight is actually easier than putting it on so don't worry about the blips.

Fivelives wrote:Nooska, an RN is a Registered Nurse.

I wouldn't pay too terribly much attention to BMI as a measurement of fitness. It's a joke, and I've gone on about it at length here somewhere. As a shorthand easy-to-read chart for a doc to point at you and explain "you're fat" in a politically correct way, it's not horrible. But as a measurement of pretty much anything else, it's kinda useless. Body composition tests are way better, and you can even pick up scales for around $20 at Walmart or Target that can measure your body fat percentage. It's not going to be SUPER-accurate, but it's better than the BMI chart, and at least it's consistent.


I know that BMI is meaningless for people who are really building muscle but what about for those of us who are mainly focused on cardio and diet? In my particular case the weight thresholds for each band seem to be about fair which I appreciate is not very scientific! I use BMI because that's what Wii Fit uses (I don't know if I would care enough to make the calculation if it didn't) but it gives me some very attainable goals and it so happens that my target weight is exactly the recommended weight using BMI. I think as long as you recognise its significant shortcomings it can be useful.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Nikachelle » Mon Jul 29, 2013 7:11 am

I've been an absolute ass with my own food intake lately (I hate using the word diet. I'm not on a diet damnit.) and right now I'm suffering the pains of a too tight skirt this morning. UGHHHHHHHH.

I don't actually like BMI, but it gives people a good idea of what to shoot for. If you're very close to your target weight and wondering why the heck you don't fit into the lovely charts where it says perfect weight and overweight, I wouldn't be worried too much, particularly if you're a very active individual. However, for people who are just starting their weight loss journey and are more likely to be 30 to 100+ pounds overweight, BMI isn't such a bad thing. It gives you something to shoot for. It might not accurately represent where precisely you are, but it'll give you an idea. I started around a BMI of 35 and am now down to 27 (which is still "overweight"). While I know the numbers aren't necessarily the whole picture, it does feel pretty nice to have a second reinforcement to know that you no longer qualify as "obese". I sure got excited when I fit back into the "overweight" category as opposed to the "obese" one!

Edit: re: this protein intake stuff. I eat what is generally a pretty balanced diet and will struggle to get to 90 grams a day. (I'm more likely to loiter around 70-80). 150 would be near unattainable to me if I wanted to keep eating other things as well.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Shoju » Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:19 am

I'm glad to hear people say that the Atkins Diet, and similar "no carbs" diets are scams.

The goal of diets like this is to get your body into a state of Ketoacidosis. It's weight loss. But it's a REALLY FREAKING BAD Weight loss. I'm not exactly sure what the result of it happening to a non diabetic person would be, but for a diabetic, That's the super negative state of Hyperglycemia, resulting from prolonged high blood sugars, and the body is breaking down. This type of ketoacidosis would have me putting my wife in the car, and driving to the ER.

I can't imagine that the results on a normal person would be that much better. It's murder on your kidneys no matter how you look at it.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby katraya » Mon Jul 29, 2013 11:26 am

I currently trying to decide whether to change gyms. The new one I am looking at is 2 blocks from my house, has a pool, sauna, much better hours, and comes with 6 weeks of personal training. It's also more than twice what I pay now. :shock:

I'm giving it a week since i have a free trial. I'm not sure if a change would be the kick in the pass to regain motivation or if it will just be wasted money. I've stagnated for the past year despite trying to mix it up a bit and give varying degrees of effort. It's hard to keep trying at this point.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Amirya » Mon Jul 29, 2013 11:46 am

Update:

This week's results are a loss of 1 lb for me, but I suspect part of it is water retention - for some reason, I was craving super salty stuff. Seem to be over that, though. If all goes well, and I don't get stupid ill effects later, I may actually be able to go back to the gym without feeling like I'm going to throw up or drop weights on my head, or fall off the treadmill face-first. So, for the two weeks so far, I've lost a total of 5 lbs. Not as much as I'd like, but I can't complain.

My roommate is now at a loss of 14 lbs for the 2 weeks, his apparent biggest complaint is the lack of pasta/bread/rice (compounded when my mother keeps forgetting and making rice, or offering to make sandwiches), and that he constantly craves red meat. Not sure what to do there for him, other than "just deal with it."

For the most part, my BS numbers don't exceed 150 anymore, which is a lot better than when it used to be good that it didn't exceed 220. I still haven't found this magical, "you'll feel better when you see results of losing weight/lower numbers/blah blah blah," so I still figure it's mostly just shit. My mood swings have gotten worse - more that I get moody a lot easier now; I generally don't want to eat on any given day (though there are exceptions), so I have to force myself to do it since I can't skip without my BS skyrocketing. Insomnia seems to be worsening, too. Go figure. :)
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Zalaria » Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:21 pm

Shoju wrote:I'm glad to hear people say that the Atkins Diet, and similar "no carbs" diets are scams.

The goal of diets like this is to get your body into a state of Ketoacidosis. It's weight loss. But it's a REALLY FREAKING BAD Weight loss. I'm not exactly sure what the result of it happening to a non diabetic person would be, but for a diabetic, That's the super negative state of Hyperglycemia, resulting from prolonged high blood sugars, and the body is breaking down. This type of ketoacidosis would have me putting my wife in the car, and driving to the ER.

I can't imagine that the results on a normal person would be that much better. It's murder on your kidneys no matter how you look at it.


I have to correct this. The state they get you into is call ketosis, which is a state your body is likely in somewhat often for short periods. These diets simply keep you there. People on these diets are perfectly healthy for months or years.

It is VERY different from diabetic ketoacidosis. People with this are dead within a couple days if it's untreated.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Nooska » Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:31 pm

On BMI, I've been thinking its a "scam" from the beginning - I'm a wide shouldered, 6'6" tall male. My BMI should not be the same as a narrowshouldered same height male (or a well endowed female of slightly lower height).

But like Lieris and Nikachelle state, I think its a good measurement of progress, if not actual start or end point accuracy.

We have decided to get a weight that measures bodyfat/water content when the battery on the current one ran out. I just got a "Lo" warning this morning, so we will be looking at that.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Fivelives » Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:15 pm

http://www.amazon.com/Weight-Watchers-W ... B002N5N32W

$28.72 on Amazon, currently. I bought a different model at Target for $19.99 a couple of years ago. This is probably the "new and improved" version of it.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Arnock » Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:49 pm

I was under the impression that ketogenic diets were primarily designed for epileptic patients. Something about the chemical processes that turn fat into usable energy can help prevent seizures... or something.

From wikipedia:
Normally, the carbohydrates contained in food are converted into glucose, which is then transported around the body and is particularly important in fuelling brain function. However, if there is very little carbohydrate in the diet, the liver converts fat into fatty acids and ketone bodies. The ketone bodies pass into the brain and replace glucose as an energy source. An elevated level of ketone bodies in the blood, a state known as ketosis, leads to a reduction in the frequency of epileptic seizures
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Fridmarr » Mon Jul 29, 2013 8:40 pm

Scam may be a bit harsh, the low carb stuff has been abused by people looking to gain off of it. Just because you can eat bacon and steak all day and lose weight, doesn't mean it's good for you, or that the diet even recommends that. Unfortunately, it's a good selling point that marketers have taken advantage of.

There are lots of variants of "atkins" that focus on healthier foods. However, many diets that strictly exclude food groups are also difficult for folks to follow for a long time and so frequently people relapse because they haven't really addressed their issues.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Fivelives » Tue Jul 30, 2013 8:57 pm

I wouldn't print that wiki article out on toilet paper and use it to wipe my ass.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Nikachelle » Wed Jul 31, 2013 6:11 am

New personal goal: 145 by Christmas (just in time to pack it right back on! ;) ). Currently weighing in at 155. I'd originally thought to shoot for 140, but I think that'd be overkill, thereby making it impossible and frustrating if I didn't hit target.
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