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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Dapaladin » Fri Apr 30, 2010 8:17 am

mew wrote:
Arnock wrote:Stopped at a random corner store and realized that they had coke that was bottled in mexico. Haven't had any in awhile, and it was delicious


Also, comparing city water to well water, I generally am not a fan of the sulfur taste in most well water I drink.

Are you even supposed to drink unfiltered well water?
We used to have a well when I was little :( I used to ask my relatives to bring me filtered-suburb water when they came to visit. That well water was even horrible to shower in.


There is nothing wrong with well water assuming the water isn't contaminated with anything... AKA a gas company that will go unnamed had a gas tank from a gas station nearby crack and gas leaked into the ground so some houses on the opposite side of the gas station can no longer drink their well water and said gas company has to send all those houses bottled water now till the end of time. Luckily the water flows toward the gas station so our house wasn't effected.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Thalia » Fri Apr 30, 2010 8:20 am

I do believe when you are young and single or just young and having fun it is more of a challenge to cut down on the drinking.

For me, I used to have a beer about 3 times a week, or a glass of wine 3-4 times a week. I don't have beer anymore, and when I do it's only on my cheat day and it's light beer. I occasionally have my glass of wine during the week but put it into my points system. Plus, if you are going for empty alcoholic calories, wine has better properties for you. There is sweet wine if you don't like the very tart ones. And if you want to be a starter, white zinfandel is very mild.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Kelaan » Fri Apr 30, 2010 9:43 am

Thalia wrote:I am asking for your advice and life tips on how to sustain feeling fit and looking healthy as part of your everyday life.


I have friends that do Crossfit, for exactly those reasons. The workouts are varied every day, but promote whole-body movement and intense effort. The idea is, you're a well-rounded athlete. See if there's a Crossfit gym near you that you can visit and talk to people there.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Sabindeus » Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:06 am

this thread is pretty inspirational
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby firstamendme » Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:29 am

Inspirational definetely. Weight sucks. I gotta see if I still have pictures of the way I looked before. I went from 300-310lbs in 11th grade (heavy overweight my whole life) to 160 by freshman year of college (waaaaaaaayyyyyyy too skinny) to maintaining a swing of 210-225 the past 5 years or so (relatively low body fat%).

I actually have some visible stretch marks on my inner arm and underarm/side, though thankfully they are minor as I still lost the weight when I was young enough to have good skin elasticity. I have family members who have done the same later in life and had to actually get the extra stomach skin (apron as they call it) surgically removed afterward as the skin itself was 20 lbs.

Edit: I am in no way advocating losing 140-150 lbs in 14 months. I did it with just diet and exercise, but to an overkill and unhealthy level. 160lbs on my frame is essentially count-the-bone structure thin.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Thalia » Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:37 am

firstamendme wrote:Inspirational definetely. Weight sucks. I gotta see if I still have pictures of the way I looked before. I went from 300-310lbs in 11th grade (heavy overweight my whole life) to 160 by freshman year of college (waaaaaaaayyyyyyy too skinny) to maintaining a swing of 210-225 the past 5 years or so (relatively low body fat%).

I actually have some visible stretch marks on my inner arm and underarm/side, though thankfully they are minor as I still lost the weight when I was young enough to have good skin elasticity. I have family members who have done the same later in life and had to actually get the extra stomach skin (apron as they call it) surgically removed afterward as the skin itself was 20 lbs.

Edit: I am in no way advocating losing 140-150 lbs in 14 months. I did it with just diet and exercise, but to an overkill and unhealthy level. 160lbs on my frame is essentially count-the-bone structure thin.


I remember I saw an episode of Grey's Anatomy once where this lady had lost 100 lbs in one year. She had heart surgery and apparently she was fine through it but after relapsed. They eventually found out that her losing 100lbs in one year was like her being anorexic to her body. As other people have stated, yes we are eager to lose as much weight as we can as soon as possible, but if it's A LOT of weight, it's best to go to a dietitian and your doctor to monitor your progress and to make sure you are not endangering yourself.

Another fact I learned a few weeks ago. Human Growth Hormone apparently works wonders in the recovery process for any surgeries, plus it actually helps you stay feeling and looking younger. It is pretty red tapped though to get it, and a lot of doctors protest the rule because they can give it to cancer patients etc, blah blah blah to help hem recover better from surgeries. Anyway, of course you can build your own, because we do have it, but the best way I heard Dr. Nixon say to build it up is by exercising regularly, being at a normal weight, not eating much red meat, etc.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Arnock » Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:03 pm

katraya wrote:
Arnock wrote:Stopped at a random corner store and realized that they had coke that was bottled in mexico. Haven't had any in awhile, and it was delicious



They use actual sugar, rather than high fructose corn syrup. It tastes much better. (Edit: Oh hi, everyone else already said that :( ) You can also get 2L of Coke with real sugar around Passover in certain stores too.



I live in a heavily jewish area, so I might have to look around more next time passover rolls around
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Sabindeus » Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:21 pm

firstamendme wrote:Inspirational definetely. Weight sucks. I gotta see if I still have pictures of the way I looked before. I went from 300-310lbs in 11th grade (heavy overweight my whole life) to 160 by freshman year of college (waaaaaaaayyyyyyy too skinny) to maintaining a swing of 210-225 the past 5 years or so (relatively low body fat%).

I actually have some visible stretch marks on my inner arm and underarm/side, though thankfully they are minor as I still lost the weight when I was young enough to have good skin elasticity. I have family members who have done the same later in life and had to actually get the extra stomach skin (apron as they call it) surgically removed afterward as the skin itself was 20 lbs.

Edit: I am in no way advocating losing 140-150 lbs in 14 months. I did it with just diet and exercise, but to an overkill and unhealthy level. 160lbs on my frame is essentially count-the-bone structure thin.


wow dude that is pretty incredible. I wish I could do that. (yes I know you say you're not advocating it but I wish I could do it anyway)
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby mew » Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:54 pm

firstamendme wrote:Inspirational definetely. Weight sucks. I gotta see if I still have pictures of the way I looked before. I went from 300-310lbs in 11th grade (heavy overweight my whole life) to 160 by freshman year of college (waaaaaaaayyyyyyy too skinny) to maintaining a swing of 210-225 the past 5 years or so (relatively low body fat%).

I actually have some visible stretch marks on my inner arm and underarm/side, though thankfully they are minor as I still lost the weight when I was young enough to have good skin elasticity.

That's kind of what happened to me. I complain about my dad a lot, and this is kind of one of the examples of things he used to do.
I lived away from home, at a residential high school. I wouldn't exercise at all and eat really poorly and I gained over 20 lbs in one year. So I was home for the summer and my dad, being the awesome guy that he is, is all "You are going to lose all that weight". He gave me obesity meds (I was 5'2" 153lbs, no where near "obese") and would make me do cardio for 3 hours a day (one in the morning, one in the afternoon, one at night) and he would yell at me if he saw me eating. So that combined with my boyfriend at the time breaking up with me (but that is another story), I lost 20 lbs in 20 days.
Now my thighs are completely stretch marked all the way around (it's a bunch of small marks, no solid colored patches skin really) and I pretty much can't show my legs (I didn't before anyways). They look like they aren't shaved or something from a slight distance because of the odd coloration. I would offer to take a picture and post it, but no one wants to see that (not even me).
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Grehn|Skipjack » Fri Apr 30, 2010 2:04 pm

katraya wrote:
Arnock wrote:Stopped at a random corner store and realized that they had coke that was bottled in mexico. Haven't had any in awhile, and it was delicious

They use actual sugar, rather than high fructose corn syrup. It tastes much better. (Edit: Oh hi, everyone else already said that :( ) You can also get 2L of Coke with real sugar around Passover in certain stores too.

We sell these bottles at the store I work so I bought one just now. Needed to get my mother a lottery ticket and next week's schedule anyway. I don't think it tastes that much different, but I'm the guy who thinks generic cola, Coke, and Pepsi all tastes the same.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Shathus » Fri Apr 30, 2010 2:23 pm

Grehn|Skipjack wrote:I'm the guy who thinks generic cola, Coke, and Pepsi all tastes the same.


My wife would glare at you and call you a heathen. heh. It's all pretty close, though I tend to find Pepsi a little sweeter than Coke as well
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Joanadark » Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:44 pm

Drink lots of water, but don't drink while you eat if you can help it! When you drink as you're eating, you wash the food down and sort of trick your stomach into thinking it has less in there than it does. It's one of the reasons why restaurants offer you as much to drink as they can, making it far more likely for you to want more food or get a dessert in addition to what you're eating.

Just wanted to re-emphasize this point.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Fridmarr » Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:13 pm

Joanadark wrote:
Drink lots of water, but don't drink while you eat if you can help it! When you drink as you're eating, you wash the food down and sort of trick your stomach into thinking it has less in there than it does. It's one of the reasons why restaurants offer you as much to drink as they can, making it far more likely for you to want more food or get a dessert in addition to what you're eating.

Just wanted to re-emphasize this point.

I've never heard that before, but I know for certain it's not universally true. I used to be a bit of a gym rat and did heavy weight training, when I was trying to load calories drinking even a little while eating made me fill up way too fast.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Dapaladin » Sat May 01, 2010 7:27 am

IT depends on what you're eating. Anything like rice or bread hat expands when water is added will make you feel more full. Or that would be me theory.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby mew » Sat May 01, 2010 7:32 am

I need some help with this picking exercise ball thing.
I got the 5'3" and under exercise ball, and it seems way too small (I'm 5'2"), only about 2 feet high. Vanifae got the largest one from Walmart and that is about 3 feet high (the silver colored ones with sand in them). Based on the ones I have used at the gym that seems like much more appropriate of a size? (My feet touch the ground on that one just fine too)
Is my idea of the proper size of a ball distorted or can I move up a size or two? Is there any advantage to using a larger ball (getting a wider range of motion or something) as long as your feet can still touch the ground? Is there an advantage to using a smaller ball?
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Fivelives » Sat May 01, 2010 9:21 am

Daily runs to boost cardiovascular fitness are excellent too, especially at the beginning of an "activity overhaul".

There are a lot of groups that do a 5 or 10k challenge (where you work up to where you can run 5 or 10k nonstop in a few months) - look into those to see if one is in your area. Otherwise, mark out a stretch of relatively flat ground nearby that's around 1-1.5km in length. Set the goal that you'll be able to run 3km (roughly 2 miles) without stopping to walk in a single month.

Then start out slow - walk 1km at a brisk pace, and move up from there. Try to increase distance covered at a running pace at first, rather than the speed of your running. Once you're up to where you can run 1.5km (1.6km = 1 mile) nonstop, start cycling in wind sprints (100m jogging, 100m sprinting) for a mile. It may look something like this:

First week:
Sun: walk 3km
Mon: walk 3km
Tue: walk 2km, jog 1km
Wed: walk 2km, jog 1km
Thurs: walk 1.5km, jog 1.5km
Fri: walk 1.5km, jog 1.5km
Sat: rest/walk 3km

Second week:
Sun: wind sprints 1mi (4 laps around a 400m track, jog the turns and sprint the straights)
Mon: walk 1.5km, jog 1.5km
Tue: wind sprints 1mi
Wed: walk 1km, jog 2km
Thurs: wind sprints 1mi
Fri: walk 1km, jog 2km

Third week:
Sun: wind sprints 1mi
Mon: walk 1km, jog 2km
Tue: wind sprints 1mi
Wed: walk .5km, jog 2.5km
Thurs: wind sprints 1mi
Fri: walk .5km, jog 2.5km

Fourth week:
Sun: wind sprints 1mi
Mon: walk .5km, jog 2.5km
Tue: wind sprints 1mi
Wed: jog 3km
Thurs: wind sprints 1mi
Fri: jog 3km

That should be doable, as long as you don't focus on speed. Get distance down first, then start working on speed. After that first month, alternate your wind sprint days with circuit training, strength training, and pool exercise, something like this:

Fifth week:
Sun: wind sprints 1mi
Mon: jog 3km (increased speed)
Tue: 4 station circuit training, 45min
Wed: jog 3km
Thurs: strength training, 5x5*
Fri: jog 3km

Sixth week:
Sun: 4 station circuit training, 45min
Mon: jog 3km
Tue: strength training, 5x5
Wed: jog 3km
Thurs: swim 500m (5 laps in an olympic size pool) with alternating strokes - freestyle, sidestroke, backstroke, other-sidestroke, breaststroke
Fri: jog 3km

etc etc.

Shoot for a 2 month goal of getting your 3km time down to under 13 minutes (6.5min mile pace), then start increasing your strength training and up the distances on the 3x/week runs (5k, then 8k, then 10k).

The problem with things like sitting on a stool or balance ball is that they're passive. They aren't going to increase your fitness level to any great extent or marked degree, and that's what you need to do to increase your metabolism and get your body to start burning fat rather than storing it. Otherwise, you'll build muscle sure enough, but it'll be under the same layer of fat that you've already got built up and you'll look even bigger (and weigh more!) than you do now.

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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Thalia » Sat May 01, 2010 9:45 am

I was always the worst runner, I would get winded real quick. I was a softball player, and was always good at sports growing up, but running long distances, I used to think there was something wrong with me.

I haven't ran on my treadmill in 3 weeks, but I have trained myself to run at 6 for 10 minutes straight without stopping and i get the 1 mile right under 10 mins, compared to it taking 15 minutes from when I started I think I am improving my agility? I think I will run today and see how I do, I really wish I didn't find my garage so boring lol.

I yearn to bicycle... I love riding bikes and there are tons of trails up here in the NorthWest, but having two small children doesn't allow me to just go... and Aergis has been working 13 hour days, and weekends, so he can't watch them while I go and do that. I'm seriously considering getting a biking or elliptical machine. What do you guys think of them?

Another tip for 8BIT and others starting to change their diet:

Replace all white bread with what bread. All white rice with brown/wild rice. And all pasta with wheat pasta (if you can stomach it, i personally tried and couldn't with the pasta).

It still is high in carbs, but that is a small change that might not shock you right away, yet start training you to pick healthier items to eat. Honestly, I think wheat bread is super yummy.

Also MAYO, get the light mayo for the sandwich if you can't quit it, it's really not bad. If you do want to totally replace it, I've found that using more mustard on my sandwich is fine and keeps it moist.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Fivelives » Sat May 01, 2010 9:56 am

A dog is much cheaper and effective at warding off trail-side predators than a treadmill or a stationary bike, and will probably enjoy the walking and running.

So is a workout partner for that matter, or just doing all of your running at the local high school track (which has the added benefit of being exactly 400 meters long).

Kids make effective workout routines problematic, though. Have you looked into a sitter for the hour a day you'll be working out? And, don't worry about getting winded - that's why you gradually increase your pace, starting at a walk and ending at a distance run.

If your garage is boring, and you absolutely can not go outside at all to do your exercising, try getting a cheap flatscreen and mounting it to the wall in front of the treadmill. Run some cable to it (or just a dvd player) and tune in to a channel you can zone out to. I think they actually make DVDs especially for treadmill runners (wow, they actually do: http://www.treadmilltourist.com/ ).
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Candiru » Sat May 01, 2010 1:28 pm

Can I ask what on earth the difference is between white bread and wheat bread? Isn't all bread made from wheat? Do you mean brown (or wholemeal) bread? (Maybe its a UK/US translation issue!)
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Thalia » Sat May 01, 2010 1:58 pm

Candiru wrote:Can I ask what on earth the difference is between white bread and wheat bread? Isn't all bread made from wheat? Do you mean brown (or wholemeal) bread? (Maybe its a UK/US translation issue!)


Yes both breads are made from Wheat, but there are certain things taken out to make bread white that is left in Whole Wheat that makes it more nutritious. Kinda like white vs brown sugar, it's the same stuff but white sugar has had the molasses removed; now with the breads its like the molasses had all the good stuff in it and they took it out, though with bread the main thing lost is fiber. Anyway:

A few reason, quoting from various sources:

Because WHOLE wheat bread has a lot more fiber, this happens:

"Your body processes the carbs (sugars) in white bread quickly which increases the amount of insulin your body releases to balance the sugars in your blood. You get a good rush of energy from white bread, but it will not last long.

Your body processes the carbs (sugars) in wheat bread very slowly, which means your insulin release mechanism is not overworked, it does not have to work overtime to regulate the sugar in your blood. Because the nutrients move through your body slowly, you don't get that high from the rush of sugars and your body stays satisfied longer."

also

"Fiber aids digestion and most people are aware of this. However, fiber's benefits go beyond healthy digestion. Fiber helps you feel full and makes it easier for you to control your weight. Moreover, it has many health benefits. For example, fiber reduces the risk of heart attacks and strokes."

I also read that there is now a "White Whole Wheat Bread" that tastes like white bread but has all the nutritional benefits of Whole Wheat Bread.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Fridmarr » Sat May 01, 2010 2:00 pm

Candiru wrote:Can I ask what on earth the difference is between white bread and wheat bread? Isn't all bread made from wheat? Do you mean brown (or wholemeal) bread? (Maybe its a UK/US translation issue!)

White bread is made from enriched and processed flour, as a result much of the nutrition is removed, and so they "enrich" to replace iron and b vitamins that were processed out. However, they can't replace the fiber that occurs in less processed flour, so wheat bread has higher fiber and slightly less carbs. The fiber counteracts some of the glucose effects of the carbs, and has other benefits as well. I just happen to like the taste of wheat bread more, as it tends to have more of a nutty flavor.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Thalia » Sat May 01, 2010 3:04 pm

Kids are napping and I decided to go for a run on my treadmill since I had not run on it for almost 3 weeks.

I suppose whatever else I am doing to exercise is really helping my endurance and fortitude. I did the best I have ever done on my treadmill: I ran for 12 minutes straight at a 6, ended up doing 15 mins for 1.5 miles. I measure my success by how long I can last without stopping. When I hit 15 minutes without stopping at a 6 I will then work on how long I can hold at a 7.

This is in comparison from when I first got the machine two years ago and I could barely run 3 minutes straight. Even before I gained the weight I used to get winded so easily, I had a bad grade in my PE cuz I could never finish the mile test in time lol.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Nakama » Sat May 01, 2010 8:04 pm

One suggestion for those who might be starting on an exercise regime and have bad knees or whatever from being heavy:

Try the pool. You can get a lot of exercise in a pool and it's not hard on your knees or legs. Yes, if you go to a fitness center and try to join a swim-aerobics class, there might be a lot of older people in there, but it's worth it, I think.

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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Mcduffie » Sun May 02, 2010 3:25 am

There are a lot of really good ideas being thrown around here. A lot of really good, intellectual insight.

HOWEVER...

Don't forget that every person is different. There is rarely a panacea exercise that solves every person's problems. The best bet is just to find something you enjoy doing that keeps you active, and do that. If you don't like swimming, biking, or running, go plant a garden. Just do SOMETHING.

Food being the easiest to change. As stated in previous posts, a few tiny changes can really put you on a road to awesome eating habits.

Believe it or not, none of ^that was negative. I still love this thread with a passion.

Though, I think it may have something to do with the progression lull in WoW right now. But, that's just my opinion.
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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

Postby Arcand » Sun May 02, 2010 7:31 am

Thalia wrote:I suppose whatever else I am doing to exercise is really helping my endurance and fortitude. I did the best I have ever done on my treadmill: I ran for 12 minutes straight at a 6, ended up doing 15 mins for 1.5 miles. I measure my success by how long I can last without stopping. When I hit 15 minutes without stopping at a 6 I will then work on how long I can hold at a 7.


I suspect you're making your runs as unpleasant as they can possibly be, if you're doing a "go until I can't anymore" regimen.

Have you ever tried intervals? Run for x minutes, walk for y minutes, repeat; keep tweaking x and y so the percentage of time that you spend running keeps creeping upward. In addition to this not feeling like as much of a grind, there's evidence that you get a greater training effect and fewer injuries when you mix up your intensity.
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