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Re: Fitness and being Healthy

PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:12 am
by Fridmarr
Skye1013 wrote:Not sure I'd call it an "overdose" as I rarely, if ever, drink more than one energy drink in a day, and it's almost always spread out over at least a 2-3 hour period (most times I can go an 8 hour period on the same one.)

Energy drinks tend to be loaded with B Vitamins, particularly B6. Niacin is a B Vitamin as well. Anyhow they tend to have significantly more than your daily requirement (like thousands of times more) of B Vitamins which increase circulation among other things which helps generate that "energy" feeling. That said, they can certainly cause the sensation you are having. Cut them for awhile and see if you stopping having that feeling.

Re: Fitness and being Healthy

PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:13 am
by Skye1013
It's not so much a "cut them for awhile" since I just had the one yesterday. And the feeling is sporatic enough (maybe once every few weeks?) that I can't necessarily correlate it to energy drinks (maybe specifically to Amp, since I don't generally have this issue with the Monsters that I drink.) If there are other Niacin heavy food items, then it's possible I just eat them sporatically enough for it to cause this problem. Hopefully I'll remember the next time I drink an Amp and see if that's the possible cause.

For reference, the Monsters I drink:
Absolute Zero (most common)
Low-Carb (second most common)
M-80 (would be most common if I could find it more often)
Rehab
Regular

I will occasionally drink other flavors, but those tend to be the ones I have most often (ie. maybe 2-3 a week at my "highest" point.)

P.S. I hope I'm not sounding argumentative or defensive like an alcoholic denying he has a problem. If there are similar Niacin levels in the Monsters that there is in the Amp I drank, then I can't imagine that's the issue, or it would be a more common occurrence.

Re: Fitness and being Healthy

PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:38 am
by Hrobertgar
The Niacin overdose I am familiar with usually took like 200mg - 500mg to initiate and the effect usually started less than 1 hour from the overdose. Also, the body apparently can build up a short term tolerance to Niacin so that it takes more to cause the effect. If these energy drinks only have like 20mg and this has been going on intermittently for a while, then maybe it is something else.

Re: Fitness and being Healthy

PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:44 am
by Kelaan
Skye1013 wrote:Only problem I'd have with that is being unable to take it into our vault. It could be completely safe, but we aren't allowed wireless transmitting devices (heck, we can't even have a regular old iPod...)

To be fair, if you're in some kind of secure vault where you do super secret analysis, you're probably not walking all that much, or climbing steps, so you could probably just leave it in a basket outside (assuming they even let you bring it in the building).

Re: Fitness and being Healthy

PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 1:19 pm
by Geaux
Just started doing some Crossfit exercises recommended to me by my buddy who is a Crossfit instructor. I am normally an old school strength training junkie, doing heavy weight and low reps to build mass and cutting before summer time for beach season. Due to a recent back problem and surgery I have been out of the game for awhile and this Crossfit stuff , in conjunction with a palio diet, has got my best bud shredded in just a few months. Anyways a workout he wanted me to try out was quick, fun, and seems to be challenging for anyone who tries it. All you need for men is 1x45lb plate or 1x25lb plate for women.

The goal is to do as many rounds as possible in 15 minutes, keeping good form on all reps...

1 Round:
1. 10 Overhead weighted lunges (5 on each leg, use the 45lb plate)
2. 8 Pushups (All the way up, All the way down)
3. 6 Burpees

It looks simple but I assure you that you will be ready to vomit when your finished and covered in sweat. try it out and provide some feedback, I had a lot of fun doing it and my thighs were screaming at me from the workout.

Re: Fitness and being Healthy

PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 2:58 pm
by Fivelives
Skye1013 wrote:Ok... so this falls more under the "health" category...

Occasionally, I'll get this feeling over most (if not all) of my body that's like little pins or needles pricking me (kind of like an itch, but over nearly my entire body.) It never really lasts more than about 10-15 seconds, but I'm wondering what could be the cause of it. Anyone else ever have similar experiences?


Go to a doctor. Ask them about possible nerve and circulation issues.

Energy drinks aren't going to cause the symptoms at that low a dosage (1/day) - unless you're sensitive to one of the ingredients, and if that were the case, you'd know it already.

Re: Fitness and being Healthy

PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:52 pm
by Fridmarr
Hrobertgar wrote:The Niacin overdose I am familiar with usually took like 200mg - 500mg to initiate and the effect usually started less than 1 hour from the overdose. Also, the body apparently can build up a short term tolerance to Niacin so that it takes more to cause the effect. If these energy drinks only have like 20mg and this has been going on intermittently for a while, then maybe it is something else.

I'm not sure that nutritional information is reliable. You don't have to list the amount of a vitamin on a label or the amount of an ingredient. Plus even that info is "per serving" without defining what a serving is. I don't know much about AMP, but a quick glance at 5 hour energy's own site FAQ mentions that they admit it contain 8333% of the daily RDA minimum for B12 and 2000% for B6. It also mentions what it calls "Niacin Flush"...

Some people are sensitive to elevated amounts of niacin (Vitamin B3). The flushing is a result of the niacin in 5-hour ENERGY® increasing blood flow near the skin. It generally goes away in a few minutes, and you may not experience a niacin flush again. To help avoid a possible niacin flush take half a bottle or less and save the rest for later. You may want to take Decaf 5-hour ENERGY® which contains zero niacin.

http://www.5hourenergy.com/QandA.asp

Re: Fitness and being Healthy

PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 6:11 pm
by Lightbeard
Question for anyone else that uses some sort of Protein Powder substance.

Does anyone else have a problem with the Powder not fully dissolving when shaken? Just got a new brand I'm trying, it just will not fully dissolve in the milk. (No I do not have a blender yet)

Re: Fitness and being Healthy

PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:04 am
by Fivelives
If you don't have a blender, you could try using a (small) whisk or a fork. I've never mixed mine without a blender, personally, so I wouldn't know - but it stands to reason that you'd get some clumps that would be hard to break up by shaking.

Re: Fitness and being Healthy

PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:33 am
by Lightbeard
Fivelives wrote:If you don't have a blender, you could try using a (small) whisk or a fork. I've never mixed mine without a blender, personally, so I wouldn't know - but it stands to reason that you'd get some clumps that would be hard to break up by shaking.


Ah! A whisk, always forgetting about the whisk. Thank Fivelives.

Re: Fitness and being Healthy

PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 8:27 am
by Aubade
Lightbeard wrote:
Fivelives wrote:If you don't have a blender, you could try using a (small) whisk or a fork. I've never mixed mine without a blender, personally, so I wouldn't know - but it stands to reason that you'd get some clumps that would be hard to break up by shaking.


Ah! A whisk, always forgetting about the whisk. Thank Fivelives.


Never forget the whisk young one, it changes lives.

Re: Fitness and being Healthy

PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:35 am
by Dapaladin
I use a shaker bottle. They are really cheap and really effective. Not sure if thats what you meant by blender or you actually meant a motorized blender. I'd recommend just getting a like $5 shaker bottle.

I use this http://www.blenderbottle.com/classic

Re: Fitness and being Healthy

PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:34 pm
by Lightbeard
Dapaladin wrote:I use a shaker bottle. They are really cheap and really effective. Not sure if thats what you meant by blender or you actually meant a motorized blender. I'd recommend just getting a like $5 shaker bottle.

I use this http://www.blenderbottle.com/classic


I'm using a Blender Bottle already

Re: Fitness and being Healthy

PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:37 pm
by Nikachelle
Going running for the first time today after work since the back problems cropped up. Fingers crossed I'm not a cripple tomorrow morning.

Re: Fitness and being Healthy

PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 2:39 pm
by Dapaladin
On a different note. Has anyone ever read or heard of the book "4-hour body" by Timothy Ferris? My Weight lifting professor has done the "Slow Carb Diet" in the book and it's supposedly really effective. Essentially it's you eat whatever as long as it's glycemic index is low. This prevents spikes in blood sugar which would normally cause the release on insulin which trigger fat production. In essence you eat anything that doesn't contain a lot of sugar or something that digests quickly into glucose. You eat a lot of legumes lean protein and vegtables. No bread, pasta,or potatoes. Anything that CAN be white is off-limits. So no whole wheat pasta or bread. Also no fruit or milk. While milks glycemix index is low it has a high insulin index which means it has the same response as if your blood sugar where to spike.

One day a week you get to have a day where you can eat whatever you want in whatever quantities. In fact you pretty much need to eat stuff you aren't allowed to eat the other 6 days or your body starts to do stuff(i know very specific and scientific) it shouldn't. Eat fruit and simple carbs till your hearts content.

I don't endorse this or anything but it makes a lot of sense as to why it would work. I started this diet today we will see how it goes!

Re: Fitness and being Healthy

PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 2:41 pm
by Dapaladin
Lightbeard wrote:
Dapaladin wrote:I use a shaker bottle. They are really cheap and really effective. Not sure if thats what you meant by blender or you actually meant a motorized blender. I'd recommend just getting a like $5 shaker bottle.

I use this http://www.blenderbottle.com/classic


I'm using a Blender Bottle already


Oh hmm strange... I normally mix mine in water though.

I use Optimum Nutrition powder and don't have issues

Re: Fitness and being Healthy

PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:54 am
by Lightbeard
I'm actually about to try switching to water.

I'm not lactose intolerant but I think mixing them with milk is tearing up my stomach.

Re: Fitness and being Healthy

PostPosted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:57 am
by Fivelives
I'm not sure how I feel about the whole "glycemic index" thing. People have been rating different foods on how healthy they are for you for a long, long time now - this just seems unnecessary and an attempt at fixing what isn't broken.

I also don't think any "diet" (and I use the word in quotes, because as long as you think of it as a "diet" rather than a "lifestyle" then it's doomed to fail) that gives you a "cheat day" is worth a rat's ass. Moderate your lifestyle, not your "diet". If you just pay attention to your body, it will tell you what you need and how much. The problem is that we've spent most of our lives (since we were infants anyway) learning to ignore what our bodies tell us, and it's ingrained. This "diet" sounds like it's propagating that mistake, and telling us to ignore our bodies for 6 days of the week; or, 86% of our lives. That's not healthy.

Edit: Ir gud at mafz.

Re: Fitness and being Healthy

PostPosted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:12 am
by Dapaladin
The only reason i call it a "diet" is because thats what most people would refer to it as. I'm on the same boat with you in agreeing it's a lifestyle change.

I don't agree with listening to our body because our body is designed to want to take in as much food as possible. Our design is to prevent starvation not prevent getting fat. We are designed to be foragers and hunters and thus not have food readily available at all times(think cavemen). Also you have no caloric restrictions or anything. Eat as much as you want as long as it's a legume a lean protein or a vegetable. From eating these 3 things you can get all the nutrients you need.

Re: Fitness and being Healthy

PostPosted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 3:38 pm
by Fivelives
Your body will tell you when you're full, and you can judge how near/far you are from being full. That's the sign we ignore most often, partially because of portion sizes, but mostly because we were just raised that way. I know I was told "You'd better eat everything on your plate, or else!" when I was growing up.

The trick is learning how full you need to be to have enough energy without constant hunger pangs. My target is about 3/4 of the way there - that gives me all the energy I need, without hunger pangs and without the feeling of lethargy you get from overeating. Of course, I do eat well balanced meals and I keep track of them to ensure that I'm not missing anything I absolutely need, but even if I do come up short in some essential nutrient, I can generally tell by what I start to crave.

Re: Fitness and being Healthy

PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 2:07 am
by Skye1013
Part of the "feeling full" problem is that people eat so fast their body doesn't have time to register, so they generally overeat. Then by the time their brain catches up to the fact they're full, they've already had more food than they need, which can cause them to feel bloated/fat/"stuffed"/etc.

Re: Fitness and being Healthy

PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 2:37 am
by Fivelives
Chew slower.

Re: Fitness and being Healthy

PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 2:55 am
by Skye1013
Not saying it isn't a fixable thing, just that's generally why people "ignore" their body telling them they're full... because it hasn't registered due to fast eating.

Re: Fitness and being Healthy

PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 9:37 am
by Fridmarr
Realistically, our bodies are pretty bad communicators, particularly in the area of diet where it mostly uses an outdated model that doesn't expect us to have access to all the food you could possibly eat 24X7. Sometimes you just have to train yourself to override what your body is saying, like knowing that when your body says it's 75% full, that really means 100% full.

Sometimes you need to train your body, eating healthy meals will have you craving healthy foods, unfortunately the opposite is also true, so eating poorly can often cause you to crave more poor foods. Foods high in fiber, protein, and fat will give you a full feeling longer, but that latter category has twice the calories of the former. Sugars and carbs go don't tend to leave you satisified for long, but due to their high energy, often the body will release "good feeling" hormones when you eat them.

It can take some work, but if you focus on eating good foods, and also make those good food choices fairly convenient, then before you know it that's really what you'll be most interested in and your health will improve. At that point, you've made a lifestyle change, which is really what is needed instead of "dieting", for long term success.

Re: Fitness and being Healthy

PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 2:51 am
by Fivelives
Our bodies aren't really all that bad at communicating with us, we're just absolutely HORRIBLE at deciphering what they're saying*. It's kinda like if you walk through the bank's drive-through teller area, and try to let the teller know what you want without using the vacuum tube or the intercom. Unless you both speak sign language, nothing's going to get accomplished.

* We've been trained to ignore what our bodies tell us. In some cases (pushing through the pain a little bit) this is a good thing, but in most cases it isn't (cleaning your plate because of starving kids in Africa).