LGBT rights discussion

[Klaudandus]

Maybe it's part of the mentality of tribalism... which I posted on the politics thread.

[Shoju]

I'm sympathetic to the Boy Scouts. While they may want to do the right thing, they are going to get a lot of grief from homophobes who will use their children to advance their agenda.

My sympathy went right out the window for them when it was revealed that they have been keeping a "secret list" and "covering up" for Scout Masters who did terrible terrible things to children for years. My sympathy for them is even less than what I might have at this point for the Catholic Church.

They won't care if their boy is a couple of badges away from Eagle scout if a gay kid joins the troup. They'll have images of gang rapes out in the woods and yank their kid out so fast heads will spin. Even worse if it's an adult member.

If they don't have the ability to respect another human being with a different lifestyle than their own, they really are violating the Boy Scout Law.

Boy Scout Law

A Scout is:
Trustworthy, Loyal, Helpful, Friendly, Courteous, Kind, Obedient, Cheerful, Thrifty, Brave, Clean, and Reverent.

So much for being Loyal (to those who would come out as gay who were previous scouts), friendly, courteous, and kind right?

Eventually there will be some kind of incident involving a gay person, either as perpetrator, victim, or frame-job, and it'll make headlines all over.

Because not allowing gay people has proved to be a smashing success at keeping molestation from happing in Scout Troops.

At the same time, they are being hammered for their stance on gay members.

They have no possibility of winning this either way.

When you paint yourself into a corner, and push yourself as a "Conservative" Organization, and then cover up gross negligence that led to molestation, it's bound to happen.

[Passionario]

Meanwhile, Russian parliament has passed in the first reading a bill banning "gay propaganda" on the federal level.

[Levantine]

At the same time, they are being hammered for their stance on gay members.

They have no possibility of winning this either way.

When you paint yourself into a corner, and push yourself as a "Conservative" Organization, and then cover up gross negligence that led to molestation, it's bound to happen.

Yup. This situation is entirely self created. Absolutely zero sympathy for the Scouts, they brought everything that has come and will come on themselves.

[Klaudandus]

Meanwhile, Russian parliament has passed in the first reading a bill banning "gay propaganda" on the federal level.

And putting a dead whistleblower on trial...

Why does that sound familiar...

Oh yeah...

Though this kinda is more for the politics thread...

[Koatanga]

If they don't have the ability to respect another human being with a different lifestyle than their own, they really are violating the Boy Scout Law.

The kids will never get a say in the matter. Homophobic Dad will yank his kid out of the scouts so fast it'll make your head spin.

Dad currently has plausible deniability - he can pretend molestations don't exist. But if there's one of them gays involved his kid could catch gay, as far as Homophobic Dad is concerned.

[Sabindeus]

If they don't have the ability to respect another human being with a different lifestyle than their own, they really are violating the Boy Scout Law.

The kids will never get a say in the matter. Homophobic Dad will yank his kid out of the scouts so fast it'll make your head spin.

Dad currently has plausible deniability - he can pretend molestations don't exist. But if there's one of them gays involved his kid could catch gay, as far as Homophobic Dad is concerned.

[Klaudandus]

Oh FFS
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2013/01/3 ... ?mobile=wt

[Shoju]

If they don't have the ability to respect another human being with a different lifestyle than their own, they really are violating the Boy Scout Law.

The kids will never get a say in the matter. Homophobic Dad will yank his kid out of the scouts so fast it'll make your head spin.

Dad currently has plausible deniability - he can pretend molestations don't exist. But if there's one of them gays involved his kid could catch gay, as far as Homophobic Dad is concerned.

Dad's Plausible Deniability went out the window in 2011 and 2012. And if Homophobic dad is afraid of "catching gay" there's no cure for his stupidity.

[Koatanga]

Dad's Plausible Deniability went out the window in 2011 and 2012. And if Homophobic dad is afraid of "catching gay" there's no cure for his stupidity.

If he's homophobic, the stupidity is implied. I'm merely pointing out the fact that your average nominally Christian American dad is not going to want to send his son to camp with an openly gay troop leader.

I don't think the average American, or person in general, understands that while pedophiles may be attracted to youths of the same sex, they are pedophiles, not homosexuals. Homosexuals are no more interested in kids of the same sex than heterosexuals are in kids of the opposite sex.

For the average, the math is simply "don't put people who are sexually attracted to males alone in the woods with with male children".

[Skye1013]

For the average, the math is simply "don't put people who are sexually attracted to males alone in the woods with with male children".

They just need their programming tweaked a little... it should be "don't put people who are sexually attracted to CHILDREN alone in the woods with children."

And yes, I'm sure YOU know that... but I wish there was an easy way to allow people to see their own stupidity.

[Koatanga]

For the average, the math is simply "don't put people who are sexually attracted to males alone in the woods with with male children".

They just need their programming tweaked a little... it should be "don't put people who are sexually attracted to CHILDREN alone in the woods with children."

And yes, I'm sure YOU know that... but I wish there was an easy way to allow people to see their own stupidity.

Sadly, when people hear about a man molesting a young boy, they assume the man is gay, because he went after someone of the same sex. They don't understand it's another category of sexuality altogether.

Take your classic priest-and-altar-boy story that most people have heard about. The priest messes around with another male but doesn't date women. Conclusion: He's gay.

Public perception is a difficult thing to fight.

[Klaudandus]

Tangentially related
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... Elton.html

[Skye1013]

The stupidity of people never ceases to amaze me.

[KysenMurrin]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21346220
UK MPs have voted in favour of same-sex marriage 400 votes to 175.